Do you really intend to alienate your paying base?

[Kicsiduda]

Or cheating hacking whales will stop playing the game, new players who want to play legit will become the new generation of whales. I hate when a new class / skill update comes out, the first questions on discord are: are there any xmls for it?
Also QoL stuff would be great, like instant box opening/transmute, faster legendary jewel useage while upgrading accessories, auto cutscene skip, dps meter in easy/normal dungeons.
Lessloadingscreen is not really needed anymore because ue4 loads very fast (but still would be nice to have).

[Oupy]

wait wait , am'i getting this right , people wants to make client modification in an mmo with pvp/pve ranking  legit, wow just wow , it can't get any  lower than that .

[SomeRandhundo]

Holy crap OP's message is insane. Publicly defending cheating, literally cheating (no, the few QoLs like faster opening/transmuting etc doesn't give gameplay advantage, but modifying the way the classes works (timings and watnot) is) because "everyone does so, especially whales".

 

1. I'm sure they won't ban the whales but

2. ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ the whales, you cheat you get booted out, as you should be since the beginning.

 

**** IF **** they act upon whales they'll probably give a warning first. Whales are addicted so they'll just stop cheating. We've seen multiple "I quit" moment from whales, deleting all they gear and within 2hours they messaged support for item recovery anyway.

[Ketsueki Tenshi]

As a developer (not bns) I'm disgusted to see that some players think they god in this game.

If you cheat you get the boot and I would never want to see you in the Blade and Soul again.

Nobody will miss you or your kind, and I am happy the message got through and we get a anti cheat.

 

However Hime and team must update it regulary and act on reports of the player base.

Just because someone pays more or less should never allow them to act this way.

Whale or not you just like anyone else a player and there rules to respect.

 

Most of you have not even any respect for the staff or the game at all.

There modders who do none harmful cool improvments of the game, which is fine.

But we need to draw a line when someone truly has malicous intent and straight up cheats.

 

Speed hacks. fly (gravity) teleport hacks, cooldown hacks, bot users/seller, gold sellers, XML, GCD edits etc.

All those things are NOT QoL improvements, but straight up disgusting behaviour.

And having the nerf to come to the forum and threathen ncsoft with statments like game will die without cheaters, is a joke.

 

There are plenty whales and normal players who would come back or are more likely to stay if skill matters something again.

And not who has just the best cheats and most money at the same time, makes all work of normal players unvalid.

That makes more people quit, than getting rid of you guys who think they above others.

 

Thanks @Hime and Staff for doing something, but again make sure to update the anti cheat regulary, to prevent false positives and

to prevent bypass and counter measures against the system, you need to keep on the ball and counter there counter

until they give up and move on, nobody will miss them and healthy whales and normal players will stay instead.

[Asuramon]

Game was doing way better before widespread cheating showed up. Willing to bet it will do so again once they're gone

[RockmanEXE]

It seems a lot of you are unfamiliar with what happened to Tera. I'm gonna be laughing when bns is dead next year. 

[Uldrum]

1 hour ago, RockmanEXE said:

It seems a lot of you are unfamiliar with what happened to Tera. I'm gonna be laughing when bns is dead next year. 

If the game is only used as a playground for cheaters, then yes, it is better off dead.

 

 

[Grimoir]

9 hours ago, RockmanEXE said:

Some people cheat, yes, like with the flying back in Thornwind CM.  Most people that use client modifications use it for GCD which compensates for ping issues to squeeze out maybe less than 10 percent extra dps, and things like using XMLs to rebind skills to different keys.  If they're going after people who modify to cheat the people who use it for QOL willl inevitably get caught in the crossfire.

 

The modifications stopped being QoL the moment auto-casting of certain abilities became a thing or removing last hits of certain skills. Those are no longer QoL but actual cheats.

9 hours ago, RockmanEXE said:

NA TERA made the same mistake cracking down on third party tools and their game never recovered.  It's a fraction of what it used to be and the company flopped and had to give rights to a new company.

That was so not the reason why ENMASSE gave the rights to gameforge. You should check your facts before posting them because everything you say here about what happened to tera NA is just massive BS. 

 

 

[RockmanEXE]

You mean like shadow gunner mods to remove last bulletstorm that makes them go oom is a cheat? The one thing that makes the class actually playable? You're a freaking meme dude. Get out of here. 

[Grimoir]

51 minutes ago, RockmanEXE said:

You mean like shadow gunner mods to remove last bulletstorm that makes them go oom is a cheat? The one thing that makes the class actually playable? You're a freaking meme dude. Get out of here. 

Gunlingers last bullet storm, auto tab, auto cast certain fm  skills, Archers removal and autocast stormbolt, soul fighter removal of 3/5 dragonfure hits, auto anima / ice helix... and many MANY more cheats like these. Playable or not these are cheats and not QoL changes.

[Ketsueki Tenshi]

I think the devs should just bring options to the game that really are QoL, and overall more useful and fun for the players.

Then people not need 3rd party software and not have to feel bad for doing so, most people I trust are not cheaters.

I also took a look at the bns buddy creator, his behaviour and the software, plenty useful things there, and he seems like a good guy.

When someone straight up asks for cheats, he always says he will not do it, or not share things like that, so respect.

Developers should take note of some of those fixes and QoL features and just make them default game functions and fixes.

 

- FTH (Fault Tolerant Heap) automatic fix, so people not get the weird fps drops, specially if crashed

- disable certain animation effects that are unwanted like for sin,  as long it not change cast speed or damage, just visuals.

- Auto Skip Cutscene Option if you saw it already before it should not interupt the player all the time

- Fix the fps drop when hovering over items and open boxes + open things faster

- fix the notorious badly optimized code of the text and translation handling

- Simple mode custom options, since some classes have very weird once compared to others which is a major complaint

 

I think those are the most important things to take from it and make default options of the game.

Also Modders can make a game more alive and fun if those are not malicous mods, but healthy once.

A game developer most differ between those who are good or not, blocking all out will not be good.

I think that's what most people want, take the good of the mooders and 3rd party software, learn from it.

Allow still custom UI and all this good fun things they do, but ban the straight up cheating. @Hime

 

Hope you can bring those suggestions to the devs, and also tell them what the problem is.

The language barrier is one thing tho, I hope you can make it work.

[Amane]

13 hours ago, RockmanEXE said:

NA TERA made the same mistake cracking down on third party tools and their game never recovered.  It's a fraction of what it used to be and the company flopped and had to give rights to a new company.

 

Well, then say goodbye to the game, because anticheat will come. 

Btw, in any other actual good MMO, you would be permanently banned by now. 

Edited September 17, 2021 by Amane

[Amane]

1 hour ago, Ketsueki Tenshi said:

I think the devs should just bring options to the game that really are QoL, and overall more useful and fun for the players.

Then people not need 3rd party software and not have to feel bad for doing so, most people I trust are not cheaters.

I also took a look at the bns buddy creator, his behaviour and the software, plenty useful things there, and he seems like a good guy.

When someone straight up asks for cheats, he always says he will not do it, or not share things like that, so respect.

Developers should take note of some of those fixes and QoL features and just make them default game functions and fixes.

 

- FTH (Fault Tolerant Heap) automatic fix, so people not get the weird fps drops, specially if crashed

- disable certain animation effects that are unwanted like for sin,  as long it not change cast speed or damage, just visuals.

- Auto Skip Cutscene Option if you saw it already before it should not interupt the player all the time

- Fix the fps drop when hovering over items and open boxes + open things faster

- fix the notorious badly optimized code of the text and translation handling

- Simple mode custom options, since some classes have very weird once compared to others which is a major complaint

 

I think those are the most important things to take from it and make default options of the game.

Also Modders can make a game more alive and fun if those are not malicous mods, but healthy once.

A game developer most differ between those who are good or not, blocking all out will not be good.

I think that's what most people want, take the good of the mooders and 3rd party software, learn from it.

Allow still custom UI and all this good fun things they do, but ban the straight up cheating. @Hime

 

Hope you can bring those suggestions to the devs, and also tell them what the problem is.

The language barrier is one thing tho, I hope you can make it work.

 

You do know that they get the directions from Korea? As long as they don't add something like that, we won't see that EVER. 

[LynMasterRace]

It is utterly pointless to suggest ANYTHING. Hime and no one here can make any changes, modifications, alterations, additions or removals of things. Only NCSoft in Korea can, and they are known to ignore any and all input from NCWest. This game is finished.

[Shîro]

5 hours ago, Ketsueki Tenshi said:

 

- FTH (Fault Tolerant Heap) automatic fix, so people not get the weird fps drops, specially if crashed

- disable certain animation effects that are unwanted like for sin,  as long it not change cast speed or damage, just visuals.

- Auto Skip Cutscene Option if you saw it already before it should not interupt the player all the time

- Fix the fps drop when hovering over items and open boxes + open things faster

- fix the notorious badly optimized code of the text and translation handling

- Simple mode custom options, since some classes have very weird once compared to others which is a major complaint

 

 

I'm not any specialist in programming, but my common knowledge is telling me that biggest problem comes from the unnecessary "additional damage".
I don't believe that if I press 1 button to do 1 damage with skill, there is any need to have it split into 100 dmg from gem 300 dmg from other gem 400 dmg from pet, form neck, ring, glove, weapon , badge, modifiers, bracelet etc.. literally some classes can do 30 hits per second due to multihits. It must take big stake on servers and PC as every single infomrmation needs to be shown in either DPS meter/combat log or packaged through internet to server and other players around in an instant..

[wardenlynftw]

On 9/17/2021 at 3:11 AM, RockmanEXE said:

Fact: most of the player base at end game modifies their client

Fact: Most of the player base that spend any significant amount of money modifies their client.

Agree

On 9/17/2021 at 4:16 AM, Uldrum said:

Hopefully those people go away then.

 

The game needs less people that try to gain advantage through nefarious means.

Hopefully but they don't because huge amount of the playerbase see the game as a money making system instead of an entertainment system.

When they all leave or they all get ban, you will have no one to PvP against or group for PvE content.

23 hours ago, Hellway said:

I know most of the whales in EU region and they are all against cheats and they would love to play the game the way it is without cheats I have NO IDEA from where did you get your thoughts.
Playing a fair game play is not an option it is a MUST, you like it or not the game needs to be protected and the protection needs to work and updated.

What a casuality, I know most of the whales in EU too! Even I raided, pvp'd and pve'd with them, they all cheat, they all always know the biggest exploits/bugs/abuses on day 0 of each EU patch and abuse to death of it, and whenever they feel like, they share with the pleb playerbase so they can "catch up" aswell.

I also have no idea where do you get your thoughts from or your facts, because that's the reality I know and its totally opposed to what you just wrote, maybe you're getting fooled by said whales making you think they are completely legit when they're evidently not.

Playing fair blablabla its already unfair, top whales that are cheating got caught repeteadly and nothing was done against it. However you as pleb don't write the F word after a hard pvp match and get screenshotted because you'll give example to others on how to not break the ToS, which is most hilarious thing about this game, they can treat you as an adult to gamble, pay money and make the player base digital junkies addicted to their game through advanced psychological techniques, but you can't vent on forum or a public chat in game as you get ban.

23 hours ago, Dema said:

Make a feedback for QOL so they implemet it

Or you do it

23 hours ago, Dema said:

the cheats are ruining the game nothing else

No, wrong, part of the people using cheats are ruining the game, like people already explained here, few modifications for QoL isn't that bad, even I can deal with people speedhacking or flying or whatever as far as they keep it for themselves, when they try to make 1000€ in cash from "farming" its that moment they're crossing the line.

23 hours ago, Dema said:

i basically didnt saw any party recrutements when tc came out for months besides selling offers.

Thats a false statement, if you just come in front of the cavern there was 50 parties recruiting the first 2 months, then the cheat happened and ppl started to group less and less, and still there was ppl in front of the dungeon posting for a group. Don't tell others there are no groups because I even made quite a lot of new friends farming TC, just stick to "I'm lazy to find a party" or "I don't want to go with randoms" which is mostlikely your truth about it.

23 hours ago, Dema said:

If i would be a normal player who is interetsed in getting runs done and work on my gear as a free to play u have no reason to play, the game looks dead, no partys

Repeating the same lie won't make it true.

23 hours ago, Dema said:

Thats what cheats do, they turn this game to a maket place instead of a Team game and also kills the content the devs created for everyone to enjoy.

That's something I can agree with you, the submerged economy on this game is huge, but can NCSoft or NCWest do something about people that comes from countries where their wage is 300 to 400€ per month and stop them from powerfarming dungeons/raids with cheats, bug exploits, abuses, multi accounts, gold selling, account piloting, wintrading for cash, elo boosting, etc etc? The answer is clear, no they can't unless there is supervision or like ppl said later pro-actively doing things.

23 hours ago, Dema said:

This game is based on a mix of geared and non geared as many games, and a lot of geared run with random ppl who dont have much gear just out of friendlyness, now geared  either solo it with cheats or they cant even get their gear in the firstplace if they play legit since there arnt partys.

If anything with the dungeon changes the whole loot destribution system kinda changes and the implementation of easy mode etc at least makes all content more avalible so u can manage also without big whales in ur party but the issue is still the same

There's not that many high geared players willing to "carry" lowbies. And in fact community regarding this aspect needs on a serious mentality change because they are killing and dooming the game they all claim they love so much. I'm a geared player and I carry the people you described btw, but I don't see the other whales being as friendly, only they do if there's absolutely no other choice than doing it. About playing legit because no parties, I repeat again you can find parties, just don't be lazy. About the loot distribution system, stop being lazy again, I got over 500 of those new boxes that contain 1 fragment each, that's 500 fragments and its been only 10 days since game received the update, I didn't even farm them neither I did all days the dailies and neither I did them always in hard mode, so just be consistent, play everyday the whole dungeon list and you'll have excess of scales sooner than you think.

22 hours ago, LynMasterRace said:

This game is finished. Over half of the playerbase uses modifications of some sort, if you do this then I expect the 'unfortunate' shutdown notice sometime next year. With BNS2 tanking, this is not a wise choice by any metric.

Another false statement that is being heard or read for ages... every now and then someone panic post that the game will soon shutdown because of this or that, BnS in the western gives 10% of the BnS global income, doesn't sound like much but we are talking here that's 30 Bilion KRW, exchanged to Euros that's about 21,5 milion euros, with all that money income, if it would be your company, would you shut down? Please stop with being deluded.

 

 

[wardenlynftw]

19 hours ago, Kicsiduda said:

new players who want to play legit will become the new generation of whales

Just in 1 word, KEKW.

Rest of what you said is very beautiful tho.

18 hours ago, Oupy said:

wait wait , am'i getting this right , people wants to make client modification in an mmo with pvp/pve ranking  legit, wow just wow , it can't get any  lower than that .

Yes, you got it wrong, people want social justice. Its unfair top ranks are cheaters, wintraders, gold sellers and whatnot, that will just continue cheating undetected because they can afford it, while the rest of the playerbase will not be even allowed to move a skill to another key because it will be considered cheating and therefore ban hammer on them.

17 hours ago, Ketsueki Tenshi said:

However Hime and team must update it regulary and act on reports of the player base.

That will not happen and you know it perfectly, there's past evidence they never did, they never intended to do, and they will never do, because they are part of the problem aswell, a quick read here https://us.ncsoft.com/en-us/legal/ncsoft/code-of-conduct point number 11 We can’t allow real money trading using the Services. Selling anything for real money, be it digital items, services, or physical products is not allowed. You may not advertise the intent to or commit the act of buying or selling items for cash or trading items from one server to another.

 

Basically the way its wrote looks pretty shady with that "We can't allow" but they know its happening out of their service so as far as it is out of their legal service is ok as nothing is being done in 6 years of BnS West against gold selling websites or individuals.

12 hours ago, Ketsueki Tenshi said:

I think the devs should just bring options to the game that really are QoL, and overall more useful and fun for the players.

Then people not need 3rd party software and not have to feel bad for doing so, most people I trust are not cheaters.

I also took a look at the bns buddy creator, his behaviour and the software, plenty useful things there, and he seems like a good guy.

When someone straight up asks for cheats, he always says he will not do it, or not share things like that, so respect.

Developers should take note of some of those fixes and QoL features and just make them default game functions and fixes.

 

- FTH (Fault Tolerant Heap) automatic fix, so people not get the weird fps drops, specially if crashed

- disable certain animation effects that are unwanted like for sin,  as long it not change cast speed or damage, just visuals.

- Auto Skip Cutscene Option if you saw it already before it should not interupt the player all the time

- Fix the fps drop when hovering over items and open boxes + open things faster

- fix the notorious badly optimized code of the text and translation handling

- Simple mode custom options, since some classes have very weird once compared to others which is a major complaint

 

I think those are the most important things to take from it and make default options of the game.

Also Modders can make a game more alive and fun if those are not malicous mods, but healthy once.

A game developer most differ between those who are good or not, blocking all out will not be good.

I think that's what most people want, take the good of the mooders and 3rd party software, learn from it.

Allow still custom UI and all this good fun things they do, but ban the straight up cheating. @Hime

 

Hope you can bring those suggestions to the devs, and also tell them what the problem is.

The language barrier is one thing tho, I hope you can make it work.

Agree with all of it. Beautiful post.

Language barrier isn't really the problem, she can write everything down and then use google translate and they will understand everything, but if they don't even want to try and listen to feedback from their workers or the playerbase then there's nothing that can be done.

[Ketsueki Tenshi]

10 hours ago, Shîro said:

I'm not any specialist in programming, but my common knowledge is telling me that biggest problem comes from the unnecessary "additional damage".
I don't believe that if I press 1 button to do 1 damage with skill, there is any need to have it split into 100 dmg from gem 300 dmg from other gem 400 dmg from pet, form neck, ring, glove, weapon , badge, modifiers, bracelet etc.. literally some classes can do 30 hits per second due to multihits. It must take big stake on servers and PC as every single infomrmation needs to be shown in either DPS meter/combat log or packaged through internet to server and other players around in an instant..

You are correct that is one of many problems and a flaw in the games design.

The less hits a game has to process individually the better, since it takes a toll on resscoures not just online games btw.

However, it's a rather small problem compared to others that bns suffers from, as far as I saw it, they ported most code just over to ue4.

 

It was hardley changed, an example for this is when you hover over your items etc, or open a simple item box.

You will notice lag and fps drops when you interact with those, which is a indicator of bad coding, and a simple overburden.

This was not fixed by ue4, the engine will not magiclly fix a programmers coding, they should had taken the time to redo it.

 

However, remastering of games is 90% of the time just a lazy port or transition, with a bit better coating, but not better coding.

Only real remakes go through the pain and suffering, but very needed redevelopment of the codes structure.

However the code of a game and how good or bad its written and optimized is it's heart and soul.

[FeuchterLyn]

Ok guys i dont get why some are panicing now we do know NCsoft has 3 anti cheats 1. Gameguard, 2. Xigncode, 3. Heartbeat. Gameguard bypass is like super simple same with xigncode and heartbeat can only stop cheatengine which is a shame in the first place that cheatengine works in a multiplayer game here. 

 

The posibility NCsoft gets to buy another anti cheat or created their own is very slim and we know all the anti cheats above have been bypassed long ago. 

 

As much as i like the idea of cheaters being removed its simply not likely the only option that could help this game would be an actual support that is banning cheaters after receiving reports but sadly it is proven they dont even look at the evidance you sent in support tickets. 

 

Also there are some classes which are simply unplayable without xml so i can totally understand if alot of people quit if a simple keymap would get them banned for example. 

[Grimoir]

8 hours ago, FeuchterLyn said:

Also there are some classes which are simply unplayable without xml so i can totally understand if alot of people quit if a simple keymap would get them banned for example. 

 

All classes are playable without xml. The only thing that will happen people will loose a few million damage which is good overall. 

[Uldrum]

19 hours ago, wardenlynftw said:

group for PvE content.

Rip Weeklies i guess or maby those are soloable?

 

But i don't do any of the big raids.

 

and i can solo all the dungeons on Easy mode at least.

 

So please ban the cheaters i do not need or want them in the game at all.

 

Good riddance 🙂

Edited September 18, 2021 by Uldrum

[FeuchterLyn]

On 9/18/2021 at 8:32 PM, Grimoir said:

 

All classes are playable without xml. The only thing that will happen people will loose a few million damage which is good overall. 

Just soul fighter as example. Soul fighter is supposed to have Focus chi 24/7 up but without macro and a skill rebind (which should be a feature of the game itselfe) its near impossible to manage this. This will lose around 30% of the potential dmg.

[GenericNick]

 

35 minutes ago, FeuchterLyn said:

Just soul fighter as example. Soul fighter is supposed to have Focus chi 24/7 up but without macro and a skill rebind (which should be a feature of the game itselfe) its near impossible to manage this. This will lose around 30% of the potential dmg.

 

SF is a poorly designed class, but without xml it's playable and working fine.

You can't possibly say that they lose 30% of their potential dmg, because playing legitimately, the "potential" was never there to begin with.

And I guarantee you that even if this game had a skill rebind system, it would not allow for disabling particular dragonfury hits (same for any other class basic attack chains).

DF removal xml is a straightforward dps cheat. Nothing more, nothing less.

[FeuchterLyn]

2 hours ago, GenericNick said:

DF removal xml is a straightforward dps cheat. Nothing more, nothing less.

I am not even talking about this. I am completly talking about skill rebinds. Everything else of course is simply a cheat.

 

I dont mind getting banned for this so i write what i use: Anima to RMB and V to RMB plus a macro for Z. Its simply not possible to perfectly press Z and Leftmouse button at the correct times cause there is an input delay if you have it manually. I tryed and i played like this for a long time. My result was that i lose on average 30% dmg from manually pressing everything.

[Venga]

2 hours ago, FeuchterLyn said:

I am not even talking about this. I am completly talking about skill rebinds. Everything else of course is simply a cheat.

 

I dont mind getting banned for this so i write what i use: Anima to RMB and V to RMB plus a macro for Z. Its simply not possible to perfectly press Z and Leftmouse button at the correct times cause there is an input delay if you have it manually. I tryed and i played like this for a long time. My result was that i lose on average 30% dmg from manually pressing everything.

So actualy you  say : im to bad to press 3-4  buttons in row and keep hold rmb , so ill set whole rotation on 2 mouse buttons and going let marco do my job, else ill lose 30% of dmg. (BTW you aint would have this 30%, if you would play the class like it is used to be) So why  you dont use direct more stuff like others, some kind of *cheese*? Beware... if you dont use it, you lose even more dps. *Sarcasm off.* Btw i played for 5 years without macro this game on 6 different classes and  around 12 years other games and as long you got no illnes or losed parts of body or you are realy old, macro is just an excuse for laziness.