Remove Failure From Premium Transformation Stones!

[Intruethere]

What is this? I pay a lot of money for RNG boxes and other random stuff to get materials for Legendary weapon and now i play my money on roulette? Again? Legendary weapon is not option like skins or other stuff to pimp my character, is an important part of my evolution in game. I can see no reason why PTS should fail then to take money from ppl like me again and again and give nothing bk. When you put RNG on sale was no text to say " there is chance to failure". This looks just like a scam! Tell me if this do NCSOFT so i can avoid you from now on.  I will write to every MMORPG site about this and stop investing any money in this CASINO  till you stop scaming players.

[Renze]

they should add chance of failure to upgrading legendary to make it truly legendary

[Dad]

Again, it's like this in KR, other than that, y'all really need to start watchin these streams.

[Intruethere]

10 hours ago, Renze said:

they should add chance of failure to upgrading legendary to make it truly legendary

Yep, maybe. But not on my money and my hard work. LW should be hard to get, build etc (and it is) not played on roullete. Game should copensate hard workers and skilled players not just some lucky dudes.

[Pepperino]

Gamble 300g each time to try to make it or buy one for 600g.

Why are you even worrying about Legendaries? You don't need them at this time.

[Talinoth]

You don't precisely *need* a Legendary weapon, but I'd really like to have one or I won't be able to do 2-man Nexus or 2-man Asura. I can only do 3 man Asura atm, and my party's time is cutting it really close sometimes. Extra damage will make a lot of problems go away, you know?

 

Also, on the stream of "Gotta have money to make money", it'll be much easier to get to higher floors in the Tower of Infinity and crush enemy players at Whirlwind Valley and Soulstone Plains if I have a legendary.

Right now, as soon as I get to a difficulty 4 Blade Master/Assassin/Summoner, I see that they have legendary weapons and 4-5x my hp, and I think "This match-up is not particularly in my favour" as I get plastered across the floor. Gotta fight fire with fire son.

 

Elsewhere? In open world pvp, I've seen other FMs with crit defense soulshields, 90k hp and white legendary weapons demolish entire 6 man parties without breaking a sweat.

I want to be one of those FMs. It'll make protecting my Cerulean buddies while we do our very heavily harassed and attacked SSP runs much easier.

 

EDIT - Difficulty 5 Force Master is an arrogant *cricket* and she always starts with the line "Another day, another victory."

While this is perfectly true and she's completely f***ing annihilating me, I still want to shut her up. For good.

 

TL;DR - Tower of Infinity is HARD AS F*** and I need to be as strong as possible because the other faction exists and they outnumber mine.

[Intruethere]

10 hours ago, Pepperino said:

Gamble 300g each time to try to make it or buy one for 600g.

Why are you even worrying about Legendaries? You don't need them at this time.

Whats wrong with you ppl? I am not worried about "Legendaries", i am worried about my money and my time spended to get stuff. I dont "support" the game to push a button and say bye bye to my work. Now or 3 months later, who cares!? This maybe just the beggining to gamble for everything in this game. I dont mind to roll a little bit, but hundreds or euros and hours ...is just too much. I already quited one game after 5 years of playing, because evertything was passing trough Item Shop (including leveling) with high rate of failure. At the end of the day you could have spended 100 euros just to nerf your charcter (downgrade gear and weapon). This game is heading in that direction, so think a little till is not too late.

[Syanonn]

Seeing people asking for treasure trove to return because of these premium transformation stones... but I really don't want to see currency exchange crash again, it is already crawling towards 1:10 with the pet pouches.

[Pepperino]

 

57 minutes ago, Intruethere said:

Whats wrong with you ppl? I am not worried about "Legendaries", i am worried about my money and my time spended to get stuff. I dont "support" the game to push a button and say bye bye to my work. Now or 3 months later, who cares!? This maybe just the beggining to gamble for everything in this game. I dont mind to roll a little bit, but hundreds or euros and hours ...is just too much. I already quited one game after 5 years of playing, because evertything was passing trough Item Shop (including leveling) with high rate of failure. At the end of the day you could have spended 100 euros just to nerf your charcter (downgrade gear and weapon). This game is heading in that direction, so think a little till is not too late.

3 hours ago, Intruethere said:

What is this? I pay a lot of money for RNG boxes and other random stuff to get materials for Legendary weapon and now i play my money on roulette? Again? Legendary weapon is not option like skins or other stuff to pimp my character, is an important part of my evolution in game. I can see no reason why PTS should fail then to take money from ppl like me again and again and give nothing bk. When you put RNG on sale was no text to say " there is chance to failure". This looks just like a scam! Tell me if this do NCSOFT so i can avoid you from now on.  I will write to every MMORPG site about this and stop investing any money in this CASINO  till you stop scaming players.

If you're worried about your money then instead of gambling with transmute, straight up buy it off the market. I'm sure if you spent that much real money for materials already, you'd be easing your way through it, no? Also as others mentioned already, its no different from the other servers.

 

You're trying to get Premium Silverfrost Stones for legendary. If thats not worrying about legendaries then I don't know what is.

It's end game stuff, they're not going to just spoon feed you it or would you rather have them do 100% for transmutes but have a chance of destroying your weapon when trying to upgrade like most other MMOs?

[Nattia]

I'm backing this request up.

[BlueBunnay]

Legendary has lost it's meaning huh? I say lower the chance to craft the stone even further. 

[Arohk]

they should add a chance to fail resurrection when you die so you have to start allover, that be fun.

[luzt]

Legendary lost it's meaning when it was made as the next upgrade after true scorpio.

I would've liked it more if there would've just been a next masterwork tier weapon there.

The only legendary part of getting the mats is legendary gold farming status.

 

Legendary rng luck at transmutation or treasure trove !!

[Intruethere]

13 hours ago, BlueBunnay said:

Legendary has lost it's meaning huh? I say lower the chance to craft the stone even further. 

I guess this is just frustration to be not even close to craft it. Most of the ppl who posted in here dont have a clue what i am talking about. Is not only about the Legendary, is about the gambling it self for important items, generally speaking. Is amazing how much stupidity can attract a person whos voincing about something good for the players. But for stupid ppl good is bad, so good luck out there.

[BlueBunnay]

16 minutes ago, Intruethere said:

I guess this is just frustration to be not even close to craft it. Most of the ppl who posted in here dont have a clue what i am talking about. Is not only about the Legendary, is about the gambling it self for important items, generally speaking. Is amazing how much stupidity can attract a person whos voincing about something good for the players. But for stupid ppl good is bad, so good luck out there.

Your title sumed it up. Good luck.

[Pepperino]

6 hours ago, Intruethere said:

I guess this is just frustration to be not even close to craft it. Most of the ppl who posted in here dont have a clue what i am talking about. Is not only about the Legendary, is about the gambling it self for important items, generally speaking. Is amazing how much stupidity can attract a person whos voincing about something good for the players. But for stupid ppl good is bad, so good luck out there.

So now you're saying the thread is about gambling for the stone. Which is it?

[Negaimu]

Nope. This is their idea of something being "legendary" lol. Get insanely lucky on transmuting. Thats literally it. No dont make it an insanely difficult dungeon requirement, dont make it a long quest string of really difficult tasks. no just make it fixed rng. thats how you obtain something "legendary".

 

Hilarious.

[KlausFlouride]

They you'll whine that you can only get 75g for them.

[Negaimu]

1 hour ago, KlausFlouride said:

They you'll whine that you can only get 75g for them.

Yea no. i dont need pts to make money. I need them for legendary lol. there is plenty of money making routes that dont involve me stressing over expensive fixed rng. Id rather they sell for less and be better to obtain than this garbage.

[Atheyana]

I could see two things happening with the Transmutation that would make sense. Some would argue (both sides) but here is the neutral approach to this. The current setup is too expensive and extreme if you monetize the stones.

 

• 4  Silverfrost Transformation Stones  (16g ea)  =  64g total
• 15  Moonstones (3g 75s ea) =  56.25g total
• 100  Soulstones (35s ea) = 35g total
• 20  Frozen Stingers (3g ea)  =  60g total
• 50g for crafting

The above means you spend 265.25g ($36.48) each time you craft a Premium Transformation Stone. It is a bit extreme looking from this approach. With the above said there are two routes that could improve this without hurting things too much.

 

• Reduce the Transmutation costs by 50% which will maintain current level of failure but allow a player to craft twice with the amount to atm craft one.
• Second option is to change Success vs Failure into 3 tiers
  • Success = 68 to 100 for roll
  • Fail but keep resources = 35 to 67 for roll
  • Fail and lose everything = 1 to 34 for roll

Both methods allow for failure but are less costly than the current system. Fairly certain this may cause controversy even though the cost needs to be reduced to some extent.

[Kitah]

2 hours ago, Atheyana said:

I could see two things happening with the Transmutation that would make sense. Some would argue (both sides) but here is the neutral approach to this. The current setup is too expensive and extreme if you monetize the stones.

 

• 4  Silverfrost Transformation Stones  (16g ea)  =  64g total
• 15  Moonstones (3g 75s ea) =  56.25g total
• 100  Soulstones (35s ea) = 35g total
• 20  Frozen Stingers (3g ea)  =  60g total
• 50g for crafting

The above means you spend 265.25g ($36.48) each time you craft a Premium Transformation Stone. It is a bit extreme looking from this approach. With the above said there are two routes that could improve this without hurting things too much.

 

• Reduce the Transmutation costs by 50% which will maintain current level of failure but allow a player to craft twice with the amount to atm craft one.
• Second option is to change Success vs Failure into 3 tiers
  • Success = 68 to 100 for roll
  • Fail but keep resources = 35 to 67 for roll
  • Fail and lose everything = 1 to 34 for roll

Both methods allow for failure but are less costly than the current system. Fairly certain this may cause controversy even though the cost needs to be reduced to some extent.

Adding to this. They could also make it always be successful and just increase the things needed by double or triple the amount. The only reason why I won't be crafting is to basically throw my money away and get nothing back.

[Terl]

On 04.06.2016 at 4:48 AM, Intruethere said:

What is this? I pay a lot of money for RNG boxes and other random stuff to get materials for Legendary weapon and now i play my money on roulette? Again? Legendary weapon is not option like skins or other stuff to pimp my character, is an important part of my evolution in game. I can see no reason why PTS should fail then to take money from ppl like me again and again and give nothing bk. When you put RNG on sale was no text to say " there is chance to failure". This looks just like a scam! Tell me if this do NCSOFT so i can avoid you from now on.  I will write to every MMORPG site about this and stop investing any money in this CASINO  till you stop scaming players.

Buy the stones from market, what the promlems?

[DannyMayCry]

Go and prepare 125 moonstones, 500 soulstones, 120 stingers and 250g basic fee ( also don't forget 12 STS )

You might at least get 1 or 2, maximum 5 if you're one lucky god.

[GH0S77]

Please remove this lucky systems, I earned 100 *cricket*ing essences and I already haven't picked a *cricket*ing outfit. Please, I lost 6 hours of my life in this *cricket*ing roullete!

[JatoJato]

On 4.6.2016 at 4:03 AM, Renze said:

they should add chance of failure to upgrading legendary to make it truly legendary

Please explain to me what you mean with that. Beacuse besides the legendary anger and annoyment someone can have what exactly is the reason that legendary should also imply idiotic rng?

I mean legendary means to me that you did something for it. Not that you had more luck than others. Besides i could understand it if there would be some options but BnS does not have those.

 

On 4.6.2016 at 4:07 AM, Dad said:

Again, it's like this in KR, other than that, y'all really need to start watchin these streams.

We are in EU/NA not KR.

 

On 4.6.2016 at 5:00 AM, Pepperino said:

Gamble 300g each time to try to make it or buy one for 600g.

Why are you even worrying about Legendaries? You don't need them at this time.

Hm yeah well this can have many reasons. First we have the "arms race" in this game - ppl searching for higher and higher ap for stuff that does not need it because they hope they get a good group or finish 1 min faster. Second if you play on a regular basis you want to see progress farming/playing for a period of time without seeing any progress is dissappointing. Third it is a great advantage in some situations for example in the acutal WWV-Event. And last what is wrong with the idea that you just want to have it.

On 4.6.2016 at 5:21 AM, Talinoth said:

Elsewhere? In open world pvp, I've seen other FMs with crit defense soulshields, 90k hp and white legendary weapons demolish entire 6 man parties without breaking a sweat.

I want to be one of those FMs. It'll make protecting my Cerulean buddies while we do our very heavily harassed and attacked SSP runs much easier.

TL;DR - Tower of Infinity is HARD AS F*** and I need to be as strong as possible because the other faction exists and they outnumber mine.

I think you living a dream ;-). I am FM i have a legendary but i can ensure you that you cannot rlly kill an entire group. The one thing you will be good at however is stalling in wwv but that you can do very good. I think a good remark i read in this forum was like a "frozen cockroach" :D.

 

For TOI yes the legendary is good. (But it would be better to just switch classes :D).

On 4.6.2016 at 6:51 AM, Pepperino said:

 

If you're worried about your money then instead of gambling with transmute, straight up buy it off the market. I'm sure if you spent that much real money for materials already, you'd be easing your way through it, no? Also as others mentioned already, its no different from the other servers.

 

You're trying to get Premium Silverfrost Stones for legendary. If thats not worrying about legendaries then I don't know what is.

It's end game stuff, they're not going to just spoon feed you it or would you rather have them do 100% for transmutes but have a chance of destroying your weapon when trying to upgrade like most other MMOs?

Hm you know that it is a psychological difference if you calculate the gold-value  of every thing in you inventory (which implies that you farm something, sell it and then buy something that is composed of the parts you sold) or if you farm the mats for something. Also this is an NA/EU forum so why the "other servers have it too" comment. I mean tbh yes it is true but KR has better ping and way more time also they could F10 and buy a legendary weapon for money if they want to (afaik) so while most players would hope for better pings they dont want "wallet-warriors" - but there is no nit-picking either the whole package or the acknoledgement of the fact that this is another server.

And the "its endgame content" argument is also so old and boring. I mean what does endgame mean anyway. That BnS has nothing to offer besides rng at stupid or at least questionable places? For me endgame means that you have to put effort into something and play the game. Not that some players can make easy money because they are lucky.

Rng should make a game more exiting not make things hidden more expensive. For example rng at the loot in a dungeon is exiting because it offers ppl to bid for it. Rng at the merchants of wonders was exiting because everyone got the same. However rng at premium stones or at the gem-slots just is disappointing because there is not real joy in it if you have got lucky because the only feeling is the relieve that you finally have left the cancer behind.