People spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars on the RNG boxes?? Why..????

[GnatB]

21 minutes ago, Zuzu said:

Questioning someone for buying RNG boxes would be like if someone questioned you for the many things you do during your day.

It's their money, their own business. If they have extra money and want to spend it on a game, so be it.

 

The problem with RNG boxes is that, as I've said, other people buying it negatively effects me.  If people keep buying boxes, devs will keep putting them in.  Because yes, they are a big moneymaker.  They won't stop until people wise up and stop paying for nothing.  So it's not just "Their money, their own business."  To make an analogy, it isn't simply about somebody spending their money on cigarettes.  It's about somebody spending their money on cigarettes and then standing right next to you smoking, filling the room you're in with smoke.

[Meerkat]

48 minutes ago, oPONGo said:

Personally, everyone who tells me im wasting money, i ask them "Where do you spend your money on?", most of the time, i'll get anwsers like, clothes, partying, car etc. Well, for me, those things arent amusing... Also, people tend to think that $1 for them is equal to $1 for me. A large portion of the player base is very young, they don't have a job/steady job and such. In my case, i earn a full time salary a day on good days :). Spending a few hundred on some RNG boxes just amuses me. Bet this goes for more people.. We are the cash cows that keep these F2P games running

 

No, absolutely, no.

 

Here's the deal.  I'm pretty damn affluent.  Humblebrag.  But I'm not going to waste money on bullshit cash shop RNG boxes.  Here's why:

 

If you gamble, your gambling addiction will probably hurt you.  And it might hurt your family and friends, but it's not going to hurt me.  The gambling industry cannot touch me.  Even if you wanted me to gamble with you, I could give you the finger, and there's not a thing you or the gambling industry could do about that.

 

But if you buy bullshit cash shop RNG boxes, that very likely will hurt me and your fellow gamer.  You are telling the gaming industry their scheme to make people vastly overpay works, and if it works, they will continue to use it to the detriment of us.  Sure, I don't give a shit about their crappy jacket today, but one day, there will be something I want in a bullshit cash shop RNG box, and it will be locked in that box from me unless I gamble.  And if I do gamble that just adds to the feedback loop that continues to encourage these shady ass businesses to continue these anti-consumer policies, because hey, the consumer is paying.

 

Essentially, you are being the cancer that is poisoning gaming.

 

It's like a pyramid scheme.  Or a Ponzi scheme.  People keep trying them because people keep buying in.  We gotta dismantle that *cricket*er.  We gotta tear that shit down.

[Zuzu]

4 minutes ago, GnatB said:

 

The problem with RNG boxes is that, as I've said, other people buying it negatively effects me.  If people keep buying boxes, devs will keep putting them in.  Because yes, they are a big moneymaker.  They won't stop until people wise up and stop paying for nothing.  So it's not just "Their money, their own business."  To make an analogy, it isn't simply about somebody spending their money on cigarettes.  It's about somebody somebody spending their money on cigarettes and then standing right next to you smoking, filling the room you're in with smoke.

I'm not really following how this negatively effects you. Unless you were going for the costume then that's the only thing I can see.

Two items(Moonwater Transform Stone and Soulstones) were the only items that were tradeable and worth anything, iirc.

But the prices of those two items were inevitably dropping lower each day so the release of them in the RNG boxes just made it faster for those items to stabilize.

Now if you were one of those people who sold Moonwater stones or farmed for Soulstones on multiple characters then I can see it hurting you but to everyone else, this actually helps since it became more affordable to people who were unable to make it themselves.

 

People buying RNG boxes helps with the company's profit in turn helps keep this game free like I said before.

Don't see much of a point in removing RNG boxes, unless people would like the suggest a backup idea to give them as much profit as RNG boxes. If anything they should just change it to where the costumes are tradeable in my opinion.

 /endrant

/waitsforpeopletobashmefornotwantingRNGboxesgone

[akimbojinbo]

26 minutes ago, GnatB said:

 

The problem with RNG boxes is that, as I've said, other people buying it negatively effects me.  If people keep buying boxes, devs will keep putting them in.  Because yes, they are a big moneymaker.  They won't stop until people wise up and stop paying for nothing.  So it's not just "Their money, their own business."  To make an analogy, it isn't simply about somebody spending their money on cigarettes.  It's about somebody spending their money on cigarettes and then standing right next to you smoking, filling the room you're in with smoke.

 

Could you elaborate further on how it negatively effects you? From what I can tell you have no interest in the costumes in the RNG boxes. So you can buy whichever costume you want without RNG, and just play the game. So what if you see other people with the RNG box costumes? You don't want it right, so them having shouldn't negatively impact you like your analogy of second-hand smoking. Maybe it would if you were bothered that people were spending money on it when you weren't willing to, but I think that's personal choice and as long as it's not your money I don't see why it would negatively impact you.

[Daemoroth]

Because they have an impulse control disorder...

[Negaimu]

Some are rich & can easily afford the luxury others are only middle class but are addicts &  will easily  dump money they need on boxes here & there =P

[Ninfu]

And some players realised that they can get everything what they want from these boxes so why not cut 99% of gameplay away so they can feel more powerfull than other players.

What can you do with these? Huge chunks of soulstones, moonwater transformation stones = sell for cash obtain every fully upgraded item without any effort which makes pve much more p2w and top of that lets screw economy to worse state

 

Well done Ncsoft and top of that putting costume there so some players have to spent hundreds to get it.

 

Only way to stop this is to seriously stop buying anything from store which will never happen

[akimbojinbo]

9 minutes ago, Zuzu said:

I'm not really following how this negatively effects you. Unless you were going for the costume then that's the only thing I can see.

Two items(Moonwater Transform Stone and Soulstones) were the only items that were tradeable and worth anything, iirc.

But the prices of those two items were inevitably dropping lower each day so the release of them in the RNG boxes just made it faster for those items to stabilize.

Now if you were one of those people who sold Moonwater stones or farmed for Soulstones on multiple characters then I can see it hurting you but to everyone else, this actually helps since it became more affordable to people who were unable to make it themselves.

 

People buying RNG boxes helps with the company's profit in turn helps keep this game free like I said before.

Don't see much of a point in removing RNG boxes, unless people would like the suggest a backup idea to give them as much profit as RNG boxes. If anything they should just change it to where the costumes are tradeable in my opinion.

 /endrant

/waitsforpeopletobashmefornotwantingRNGboxesgone

 

Exactly my point. The nature of these boxes aren't harmful to the economy in Blade and Soul. Not only does the funding from these boxes help keep the content running in the game, but it also will decrease the price of the commodities that you get from the boxes.

 

Furthermore, most of the people who spend hundreds on these boxes are people who are able and willing to put that much in to get an exclusive item, which otherwise has no impact on the game. If the buyers are satisfied (and if they're not then I see them as being unable to take responsibility for their actions), and if NC Soft gets the money to run their game, then I can see this as only positively affecting the community.

[Eckin]

Some people can't control it. For others, well...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalation_of_commitment

[Meerkat]

 

14 minutes ago, akimbojinbo said:

 

Exactly my point. The nature of these boxes aren't harmful to the economy in Blade and Soul. Not only does the funding from these boxes help keep the content running in the game, but it also will decrease the price of the commodities that you get from the boxes.

 

Furthermore, most of the people who spend hundreds on these boxes are people who are able and willing to put that much in to get an exclusive item, which otherwise has no impact on the game. If the buyers are satisfied (and if they're not then I see them as being unable to take responsibility for their actions), and if NC Soft gets the money to run their game, then I can see this as only positively affecting the community.

 

Are you talking about supporting the devs, the people who are actually working hard to create and maintain this game?  Or the publishers who just provide initial funding, marketing, etc. and often mistreat the devs?

 

Because while very few people know how much money actually goes to the devs, and definitely none of us here, it's widely speculated by industry experts that from a $60 game, about $14.50 - $17 goes to the dev.  Now I don't know if that model has changed in recent years due to frequent consumer backlash or how much that model applies to mmopergers where distribution is minimized, but it is extremely likely the people who are actually making this game see less a third of your monies.

 

If you really want to support the devs, mail them cash.

 

Cash shop RNG boxes are 100% a COMPLETE RIP OFF.  For the same amount of work, they can pull in maybe twenty to one hundred to one thousand times the returns.

[GnatB]

You don't see how this negatively effects me?

When people buy RNG boxes, it encourages the devs to keep putting stuff in RNG boxes.  Which means that, sooner or later, stuff I want to get WILL be in RNG boxes.  So, instead of being able to pay $20 (or w/e) for what I want, I get to go look for some other game to play, instead of playing this game that I like.  And that is negatively affecting me.  (also negatively affecting the game, for what it's worth.  1 less player to play with.)

Especially since it's becoming so large scale in the industry, it's becoming practically every frigging game.

 

And yes, don't say "oh, if they get rid of gotchas, how can they fund the game".  Gee.  By simply selling the stuff.  I'm NOT a freeloader.  I spend money on my games.  In fact I'm single, good job, have *loads* of disposeable income to spend on games.  But there's no way in heck I'm endorsing gambling.

[Fantality]

Because they can and they want to. It is pointless to judge people on how they spend money.

[akimbojinbo]

3 minutes ago, Meerkat said:

 

 

Are you talking about supporting the devs, the people who are actually working hard to create and maintain this game?  Or the publishers who just provide initial funding, marketing, etc. and often mistreat the devs?

 

Because while very few people know how much money actually goes to the devs, and definitely none of us here, it's widely speculated by industry experts that from a $60 game, about $14.50 - $17 goes to the dev.  Now I don't know if that model has changed in recent years due to frequent consumer backlash or how much that model applies to mmopergers where distribution is minimized, but it is extremely likely the people who are actually making this game see less a third of your monies.

 

If you really want to support the devs, mail them cash.

 

Well that's an area where we can't control right? If you really want to support the devs, then this is quite possibly our only way, unless you want to start some political campaign to change the structure of payments in the gaming industry. Also realize that if the NC Soft doesn't get enough money, they wouldn't want to continue the game. So regardless of whether most of the money goes to the devs or not, it will still benefit you as a player since it supports the longevity of your game.

 

And mail them cash? Really? Give me the addresses of each and every dev so that it would be 'equal' among the devs too. Not very practical in my opinion.

[Cthulhuu]

Social Casino Gambling and Dynamic Game Balancing (DGB), like you see in these types of games labeled as F2P w/ Cash Shops & RNG boxes are currently unregulated by law.  Though this trend may not last long as more and more of these sites and practices come under scrutiny and legal review and exposed to be simple gambling i.e., Draft Kings, 'fantasy leagues", etc.

 

An interesting article on Social Casino Games and an argument for their possible regulation can be found at: http://gaminglawmasters.com/sites/default/files/media/imgl_sd_handoutsocialcasinogames.pdf

 

If folks feel this strongly about it, then they could petition their state legislators or state attorney general for a legal review on the matter, but until then this type of business practice will continue to escalate in the gaming community by these companies and developers.  It may even ruin the entire gaming genre as we currently know it, and at some point may have multiple negative consequences on people, the community, developers and these companies.

[Meerkat]

26 minutes ago, akimbojinbo said:

 

Well that's an area where we can't control right? If you really want to support the devs, then this is quite possibly our only way, unless you want to start some political campaign to change the structure of payments in the gaming industry. Also realize that if the NC Soft doesn't get enough money, they wouldn't want to continue the game. So regardless of whether most of the money goes to the devs or not, it will still benefit you as a player since it supports the longevity of your game.

 

And mail them cash? Really? Give me the addresses of each and every dev so that it would be 'equal' among the devs too. Not very practical in my opinion.

 

Nobody says "mail them the cash" in seriousness.  It's just a saying.

 

It's better to have a diseased game supported by shitty, anti-consumer practices die than continue to fester and spread cancer.  If that's what it takes, kill that disgusting abortion abomination.  Rip that mother*cricket*er off so the healing can begin.

[akimbojinbo]

1 minute ago, Meerkat said:

 

Nobody says "mail them the cash" in seriousness.  It's just a saying.

 

It's better to see a game supported by shitty, anti-consumer practices to die than continue to fester and spread cancer.  If that's what it takes, kill that disgusting abortion abomination.  Rip that mother*cricket*er off so the healing can begin.

 

Then it seems like your problem is not with the company using tactics to earn money, hence the argument with the RNG boxes, but rather how the earned money is distributed. Seems like your rant can be taken somewhere else.

[Veri]

I gambled once in my life when I turned 21, my first roll at the casino I got $800 and walked away right after, extremely happy. Played BoI and had some spending money and decided to gamble on the mount RNG upgrade... got a great rng roll upgrade then I rolled again (like a moron) and ended up downgrading my mount... worse than what I started with. I was crushed, but knew what I was getting myself into :3 Safe to say after that I learned pixel gambling is a hell no! I like my spare spending money too much! Please NCSoft let us buy things directly, I will be crushed if the sunflower Lyn dress I keep seeing on my loading screen is in RNG box or the adorable Hello Kitty summoner pet outfit is in RNG box... don't break me heart ;-;

[Conquistadork]

People can do whatever they want with their money, but the only problem I see with this, is that it will soon fill the shop with RNG boxes instead of costumes, and we will never have the chance to buy a decent costume for a fixed price, we will have to "gamble" to be able to get what we want, which is the worst thing that can happen, RNG boxes are the cancer to every MMO cash-shop.

 

TERA does the same thing and people spend (used to?) a lot of cash on them, shame that the game is dying now from what I've seen (or untill they add ninja). At least in TERA you could buy the costume from the marketplace.

 

I haven't spent a single dollar in the cash-shop since I haven't seen a costume that I like, but I'm sure that I won't spend anything if it starts to fill with RNG boxes. Compulsive buyers will still throw their money at the screen even when they know they are getting robbed, as long as they get what they want they won't care and the Devs want to exploit that behavior since it leaves tons of money. I kinda had a feeling that the cash-shop would fill with RNG boxes at some point since that's what most Korean MMO do nowdays, it's a win-win scenario for them.

[Meerkat]

10 minutes ago, akimbojinbo said:

 

Then it seems like your problem is not with the company using tactics to earn money, hence the argument with the RNG boxes, but rather how the earned money is distributed. Seems like your rant can be taken somewhere else.

 

No, my problem is with this festering cancer in the gaming industry that you are supporting.  How long before everything that can be monetized in a game is monetized?  How long before I have to pay to unlock core game modes, core missions, core characters in a single player game?  Am I being dramatic?  No, because it's already happened.

 

If what it takes for a healthier gaming industry is to flush Blade & Soul and NCSoft down the toilet, then do it.  100%.

[akimbojinbo]

3 minutes ago, Conquistadork said:

People can do whatever they want with their money, but the only problem I see with this, is that it will soon fill the shop with RNG boxes instead of costumes, and we will never have the chance to buy a decent costume for a fixed price, we will have to "gamble" to be able to get what we want, which is the worst thing that can happen, RNG boxes are the cancer to every MMO cash-shop.

 

TERA does the same thing and people spend (used to?) a lot of cash on them, shame that the game is dying now from what I've seen (or untill they add ninja). At least in TERA you could buy the costume from the marketplace.

 

I haven't spent a single dollar in the cash-shop since I haven't seen a costume that I like, but I'm sure that I won't spend anything if it starts to fill with RNG boxes. Compulsive buyers will still throw their money at the screen even when they know they are getting robbed, as long as they get what they want they won't care and the Devs want to exploit that behavior since it leaves tons of money. I kinda had a feeling that the cash-shop would fill with RNG boxes at some point since that's what most Korean MMO do nowdays, it's a win-win scenario for them.

 

That I agree with. In that case wouldn't it be better if they just made the outfits tradable? It would be even better than putting them in the Hongmoon store since one could farm without spending money for the costumes.

[OnimaruX]

And we suffer for it cause now all ncsoft will do is release all new costume and items in rng boxes, I never gamble and prefer to buy something outright. I want to give you my money ncsoft but you don't want it so I'll spend it somewhere else like DFO atleast I can buy all cosmetics directly from the cash shop , btw you can't survive on whales alone and you know that so STOP with the rng boxes.

[TheArsenal]

14 minutes ago, Cthulhuu said:

Social Casino Gambling and Dynamic Game Balancing (DGB), like you see in these types of games labeled as F2P w/ Cash Shops & RNG boxes are currently unregulated by law.  Though this trend may not last long as more and more of these sites and practices come under scrutiny and legal review and exposed to be simple gambling i.e., Draft Kings, 'fantasy leagues", etc ....

 

 

 

It's really just a matter of time. Unregulated gambling, no real barrier to entry for minors, no requirement to disclose odds, with thousands upon thousands spent for the chance at virtual goods which are not actually owned in any way but part of a game that is licensed and can go away at any time. Trust me, sooner or later some lawmaker's kid is going to spend 10,000 (Dollars/Euros) on Pa's credit card and RNG boxes in this form will be a thing of the past. 

[Kaom]

7 hours ago, Gamerchick said:

I get maybe spending a couple hundred off the bat if you have that kind of cash to spend on this game, I am guilty myself.  But these RNG boxes that have practically a non-existant drop rate for some of the items, it just seems insane to spend maybe your rent money, your grocery money, or money for actual "real world" items you can actually make use of in real life, than on digital content that you might not ever get.

 

Is this just a spending compulsion that people have??  "scratches head"...   I bought one of the RNG things, one.. haven't bought another one.  I am certainly not going to buy anymore outfits that is for sure, I still haven't gotten my other items restored or fixed.

 

I just don't get it..spending that much cash on a game.

People like gambling while in the mean time they have a chance of  picking up exclusive costumes that the other people don't have yet .

 

[Zuzu]

24 minutes ago, GnatB said:

You don't see how this negatively effects me?

When people buy RNG boxes, it encourages the devs to keep putting stuff in RNG boxes.  Which means that, sooner or later, stuff I want to get WILL be in RNG boxes.  So, instead of being able to pay $20 (or w/e) for what I want, I get to go look for some other game to play, instead of playing this game that I like.  And that is negatively affecting me.  (also negatively affecting the game, for what it's worth.  1 less player to play with.)

Especially since it's becoming so large scale in the industry, it's becoming practically every frigging game.

 

And yes, don't say "oh, if they get rid of gotchas, how can they fund the game".  Gee.  By simply selling the stuff.  I'm NOT a freeloader.  I spend money on my games.  In fact I'm single, good job, have *loads* of disposeable income to spend on games.  But there's no way in heck I'm endorsing gambling.

Again, a costume is the only negative output of this. And if that is solely stopping you from playing the content of this game then that is your choice. As for me, it seems like a poor choice but to each his own.

 

Now when you say you're willing to spend if they just sell the costume; you do understand that it'll most likely be a one time buy unless you're buying it for more than one character since Costumes are character bound, right?

In their eyes that's a huge profit loss since you and other players are going to only buy the costume once and that's it. Compared to it being in an RNG box where you may have to try once or 100 times to actually get the costume. But this is why I said, they would just make the costumes trade-able so people who aren't willing to buy the RNG boxes(like yourself) would be able to obtain said costume(s).

And again, if you want them to remove RNG boxes then please, go ahead and suggest to them a plan/idea that'll give them as much profit as RNG boxes do. Or even more than RNG boxes.

[The Wolf]

Who cares ? Really ...

All them big spenders, will soon come to realize that even if they'll be top gear (perhaps for a maximum of what ?! 2-3 weeks, until the rest of the players catch up with upgrades ?!), top skills cannot be bought.

Gear will never guarantee you the win or even the upper hand in the arena.

They will spend that much moneys and then they will come on the forums bitching about the smallest of things and how they get raped by people with x2 lower types of weapons (look around). That's about it.

Meanwhile, they serve as good fodder for anyone's true gaming skill. This game is not called Blade & Soul for no reason.