The worst part in the game in one picture.

[Arohk]

this needs a change

 

[Belphe]

Agree 100% 

 

All my upgrade progress is literally paused because of this item for months while I have all the other materials ready, it's so frustrating.

It's ridiculously expensive and I need countless of them for both weapon and accessories.

 

If they still want to keep the chance of failure, then don't let it consume the materials but only the fee upon each try.  

[Arohk]

Just saying, i just burned ~400 gold for nothing, (3 attempts, 1 success)

 

 

[Riss77]

Some will say RNG is RNG, some say goldsink, I say bullshit...

[Arohk]

12 minutes ago, Riss77 said:

Some will say RNG is RNG, some say goldsink, I say bullshit...

It's virtually gambling, new gambling laws on videogames since the huge lootbox debate will cause B&S trouble with stuff like this.

Let me explain, lootboxes as in most cases, always give you something, cards, skins, material whatever, so do card collection games like yugioh , pokemon ... ect.

But IF your invested money goes down the sink and you get 0 in return it is gambling, just like a slot machine in a casino.

[Ren36]

16 minutes ago, Arohk said:

It's virtually gambling, new gambling laws on videogames since the huge lootbox debate will cause B&S trouble with stuff like this.

Let me explain, lootboxes as in most cases, always give you something, cards, skins, material whatever, so do card collection games like yugioh , pokemon ... ect.

But IF your invested money goes down the sink and you get 0 in return it is gambling, just like a slot machine in a casino.

Just that this isn´t money, but your hardwork. Especially since BnS is free2play. You can still try to obtain some mats via f10, but the main source via PVE outperforms the ratio you can gain by 30.

[Arohk]

11 minutes ago, Ren36 said:

Just that this isn´t money, but your hardwork. Especially since BnS is free2play. You can still try to obtain some mats via f10, but the main source via PVE outperforms the ratio you can gain by 30.

 

this would equal 1€ a try only for one material.

And there sure are people who do this.

[Noalaa]

I rather see a 30% increase in mats, with 100% success than this. I don't use it, the one time I did I failed and, as a casual, it set me back a few weeks. I could've sold the mats and bought one. (NOT that I want an mat increase, I'm just saying, even if it was a bit more expensive for 100% success, it would be better than it is now)

 

,,,And I agree, this one item is what stalls progression for everyone, but whales.

[Toutenghawj]

You can be happy about that, NA/EU is the easiest version of blade and soul, on other region, you can fail on upgrade weapon.

[Arohk]

29 minutes ago, Toutenghawj said:

You can be happy about that, NA/EU is the easiest version of blade and soul, on other region, you can fail on upgrade weapon.

I think Black desert has something similar like this, the main reason why i never touched that game.

[SayhaSeer]

4 hours ago, Arohk said:

It's virtually gambling, new gambling laws on videogames since the huge lootbox debate will cause B&S trouble with stuff like this.

Let me explain, lootboxes as in most cases, always give you something, cards, skins, material whatever, so do card collection games like yugioh , pokemon ... ect.

But IF your invested money goes down the sink and you get 0 in return it is gambling, just like a slot machine in a casino.

(Palmface) 

[SayhaSeer]

5 hours ago, Arohk said:

Just saying, i just burned ~400 gold for nothing, (3 attempts, 1 success)

 

 

How is that nothing? You can fail 3-4 times for a cost of 1 premium stone, (if you buy TS stones) - More if you craft your own. you succed one, means you lost nothing. and if you buy all your mats or most, then its your fault. 

 

5 hours ago, Arohk said:

this needs a change

 

This Doesn't need change, 50% Is more then enough, you can either try your luck by collecting all mats.  or you can buy already crafted one. collecting all materials costs only 15gold per attempt. and all materials are easy to collect. 

[PapayaPineapple]

Used to be ok. However with current sacred orb price and nerfed resource I’m reluctant to gamble now.

[DarkEstelle]

vor 33 Minuten schrieb SayhaSeer:

How is that nothing? You can fail 3-4 times for a cost of 1 premium stone, (if you buy TS stones) - More if you craft your own. you succed one, means you lost nothing. and if you buy all your mats or most, then its your fault. 

 

This Doesn't need change, 50% Is more then enough, you can either try your luck by collecting all mats.  or you can buy already crafted one. collecting all materials costs only 15gold per attempt. and all materials are easy to collect. 

you should take a look at this:

 and say that again.

 

he made 15 trys and got 0 stones out. even if you FARMED all these mats (which is work for several weeks btw its not that easy as you say) its a gold loss of 225gold here + the mats. if you would sell all these mats at the moment you could buy SEVERAL stones with the gold from selling. so this is just a really bad joke and his face at the end is exactly how you feel after that massive loss which is even harder if you farmed all the mats instead of buying them like he did because you just realize that you actually WASTED DAYS OF YOUR LIFETIME farming the mats for exactly ZERO OUTCOME.

[SayhaSeer]

2 minutes ago, DarkEstelle said:

you should take a look at this:

 and say that again.

 

he made 15 trys and got 0 stones out. even if you FARMED all these mats (which is work for several weeks btw its not that easy as you say) its a gold loss of 225gold here + the mats. if you would sell all these mats at the moment you would get SEVERAL stones. this is just a really bad joke.

Can you like stop putting other Regions in a different Region...? You do know both of them are insanely different?.... I make premium stones since they increased from 33% to 50%. Never bought a single one from F5, Crafted for Mains/alts. Materials are easy to get, Even Elysian Orbs are farmable now. Sacred Orbs Drops everywhere. Moonstones East to get. I don't add all tradable materials to see how much i lose 'per failure' Because the only thing i lose is 15G Fee, All rest you gather for Free.  

So i see nothing wrong in Crafting Premium Stones. If your playing the game, eventually you will collect and craft. by doing Daily things, without trying to farm them you can craft atleast 1 attempt per day. more if you farm, and even more if you do alot of alts weekly for 5 bundles of ely orbs. 

 

[DarkEstelle]

vor 18 Minuten schrieb SayhaSeer:

Can you like stop putting other Regions in a different Region...? You do know both of them are insanely different?.... I make premium stones since they increased from 33% to 50%. Never bought a single one from F5, Crafted for Mains/alts. Materials are easy to get, Even Elysian Orbs are farmable now. Sacred Orbs Drops everywhere. Moonstones East to get. I don't add all tradable materials to see how much i lose 'per failure' Because the only thing i lose is 15G Fee, All rest you gather for Free.  

So i see nothing wrong in Crafting Premium Stones. If your playing the game, eventually you will collect and craft. by doing Daily things, without trying to farm them you can craft atleast 1 attempt per day. more if you farm, and even more if you do alot of alts weekly for 5 bundles of ely orbs. 

 

can you stop defending this stupid RNG system ?! i do know regions are different but RNG is RNG so it doesnt matter actually which region you take i just wanted to show how it goes and what you can loose crafting them. good for you that you seem to have luck crafting them but others have not and loose everything by trying to craft them and thats the point.

 

btw about the mats just found it somewhere from today:

 

this is from big 8 dungeons today and unlike you said it isnt enough to do 1 try  which means you need to do this twice with an alt or waiting for next day dailys and before i forget you still need the moonstones which is a pain in the ass farming them if you dont do PvP so again stop defending this stupid RNG system its wrong and unrewarding end of story. i dont care that you cant see anything wrong but others do which means you must be blind or are just ignorant.

[Kozuki]

26 minutes ago, SayhaSeer said:

Can you like stop putting other Regions in a different Region...? You do know both of them are insanely different?.... I make premium stones since they increased from 33% to 50%. Never bought a single one from F5, Crafted for Mains/alts. Materials are easy to get, Even Elysian Orbs are farmable now. Sacred Orbs Drops everywhere. Moonstones East to get. I don't add all tradable materials to see how much i lose 'per failure' Because the only thing i lose is 15G Fee, All rest you gather for Free.  

So i see nothing wrong in Crafting Premium Stones. If your playing the game, eventually you will collect and craft. by doing Daily things, without trying to farm them you can craft atleast 1 attempt per day. more if you farm, and even more if you do alot of alts weekly for 5 bundles of ely orbs. 

 

Such luck. I'm jealous, lol. Hope you won't experience a streak of failure like 50% of PTS makers who gamble mats worth 50% of a PTS with 50% of successful rate.

 

When you start to fail, you will realize you lose more than just 15g, cuz all mats you used in the transmutation are sellable to F5, which would earn you enough gold to buy half of a PTS instead. Or two-third during a F10 sales. And I'm pretty sure you will be one of next people who complain about this system when that happens.

[SayhaSeer]

1 minute ago, DarkEstelle said:

can you stop defending this stupid RNG system ?! i do know regions are different but RNG is RNG so it doesnt matter actually which region you take i just wanted to show how it goes and what you can loose crafting them. good for you that you seem to have luck crafting them but others have not and loose everything by trying to craft them and thats the point.

 

btw about the mats just found it somewhere from today:

 

this is from big 8 dungeons today and unlike you said it isnt enough to do 1 try  which means you need to do this twice with an alt or waiting for next day dailys and before i forget you still need the moonstones which is a pain in the ass farming them if you dont do PvP so again stop defending this stupid RNG system its wrong and unrewarding end of story. i dont care that you cant see nothing wrong but others do which means you must be blind or are just ignorant.

LuL, the only people that complain about them are the same people that complain here 24/7 about everything... but nvm. Okey, lets say they increased the Success Chance to 100% In return they increased amount. Material prices would rise crazy. Meaning crafting TS would be more expencive, Meaning TS would increase in price too. And So as Prem stone would increase. and what will you gain? Nothing. More materials to collect that by selling them youd prolly buy a prem stone. So in the end not only prem price would stay/increase in price but so other upgrades too. 

 

NCsoft already nerfed so many things for you newbies. Still never freaking happy. Start playing the game and farm same like everyone is

[SayhaSeer]

2 minutes ago, Kozuki said:

Such luck. I'm jealous, lol. Hope you won't experience a streak of failure like 50% of PTS makers who gamble mats worth 50% of a PTS with 50% of successful rate.

 

When you start to fail, you will realize you lose more than just 15g, cuz all mats you used in the transmutation are sellable to F5, which would earn you enough gold to buy half of a PTS instead. Or two-third during a F10 sales. And I'm pretty sure you will be one of next people who complain about this system when that happens.

It doesn't matter if they are sellable or not, If you collect them for free then losing shouldn't hurt either, You think i never failed? I failed 10+ in a row then  a week later crafted 10+ in a row, It's RNG, but for some reason i don't complain. show me atleast 1 complain of me on forums. I see nothing wrong with the game. This game is nothing to the grind games i've played, bns is a joke compared to them. 

[DarkEstelle]

vor 9 Minuten schrieb SayhaSeer:

LuL, the only people that complain about them are the same people that complain here 24/7 about everything... but nvm. Okey, lets say they increased the Success Chance to 100% In return they increased amount. Material prices would rise crazy. Meaning crafting TS would be more expencive, Meaning TS would increase in price too. And So as Prem stone would increase. and what will you gain? Nothing. More materials to collect that by selling them youd prolly buy a prem stone. So in the end not only prem price would stay/increase in price but so other upgrades too.

at first: i did and do NEVER complain about RNG somewhere because i dont need to. but im sure you will when your start failing more stones than getting taking bets?

for second: who cares if you farm the materials? increasing the chance to 100% would immediately erase that problem because you ACTUALLY GAIN SOMETHING! that is the point.

materials farming for lets say 1-2 days = 100% stone easy as that

who cares about raising prices when you can craft them yourself with 100% chance? but yeah. i hope you get what i mean. and btw why should the prices increase at all?! if the chance gets raised to 100% that means no more failure that means more stones getting crafted that means more stones in the market that means prices will lower because of more stones in the market and so on. i dont get it sorry.

[SayhaSeer]

1 minute ago, DarkEstelle said:

at first: i did and do NEVER complain somewhere because i dont need to. but im sure you will when your start failing stones taking bets?

for second: who cares if you farm the materials? increasing the chance to 100% would immediately erase that problem because you ACTUALLY GAIN SOMETHING! that is the point.

materials farming for lets say 1-2 days = 100% stone easy as that

who cares about raising prices when you can craft them yourself with 100% chance? but yeah. i hope you get what i mean. and btw why should the prices increase at all?! if the chance gets raised to 100% that means no more failure that means more stones getting crafted that means more stones in the market that means prices will lower because of more stones in the market and so on. i dont get it sorry.

Because It's not the first time something like this happend?  

 

And 100% Success rate is never going to happen.

[Statler]

33% chance, 50% chance? Best joke ever, tell this my clan mate, she had 20 (in words: TWENTY) tries in the last 1.5 years and EVERY try FAILED and you are talking about a 50% chance pmsl, dream on dude

[RanMaster]

How about 90% =)

[SayhaSeer]

29 minutes ago, Statler said:

33% chance, 50% chance? Best joke ever, tell this my clan mate, she had 20 (in words: TWENTY) tries in the last 1.5 years and EVERY try FAILED and you are talking about a 50% chance pmsl, dream on dude

back then it was 33%, Now it's 50%. It's not a hidden %%%%.

Your friend must have Legendary Memory to know how many EXACTLY she tried LuL. Besides trying ONLY 20 attempts in 1.5 years. When people do 10-20+ weekly...., How can you even compare when she only tried 20 times.... in 1.5 years! LuL. I bet all these 20 times were with 33%. Because it's impossible to fail 20 times in a row now...

[Stacey Banks]

Buy the stone from marketplace. It may take a bit to get the gold, but it surely is less frustrating.