why are ap elitists a thing lmao

[Erza Scarlet]

One thing is certain: these low geared players will not enter whirlwind valley at 400-450. Even if you add premium stones to that hell hole, I'm still not entering it with my almost 600 ap. Make it balanced like pvp arena and I consider it for my alt to collect moonstones.

[CrimsonKitsune]

Not stopping anyone from getting stronger just don't wanna deal with the wipes and inexperienced already did that when I was there ap (So your response hardly start yet and already attacking new people for needing you help)

 

600ap for BSH is perfectly acceptable we earned our gear we will use it as we wish and thanks for being jello and toxic about it it only fuels me to get more ap to stay away from people like you  (Yes you did earn it and you have every right to do what you want but it will cause more and more new people to leave and don't want to play the game which will kill it so yeah as long as you're fine with that we're good)

 

Cause you can't read you complain? (No we voice our displeasure because these aspects make the game less fun and people leave because of that)

 

I worked for it dam right I'm entitled to it (Yeah nobody said you weren't its just that kind of mindset causes big problems and will cause people to leave)

 

No different then hard working people in real life (No its different in real life you see progress you can actually touch your rewards BNS is a game it is meant for recreation it is not meant to be a chore)

 

Think ima start doing 600+ everything (Go ahead the game is practically dead in six months why not go for gold and finish it off)

 

I'm not guilty of anything I've earned all I have legally (Why you're so defensive you worked hard and got it you have no responsibility to help new players) 

 

If they can read the party requirements that are being asked that wouldn't happen (No they see it but you see the thing is they're not good enough to do it by themselves they have no confidence in their skills because of that stupid enrage timer)

 

There are a lot of people around the 400-500ap why don't you all run together and help each other like we did why should we have to come bail you out? Oh cause you want fast non wipe runs too (Well yeah they hate dying as any gamer should, but I beg to ask the question why do you see helping someone as a chore? I mean you helping helps them get higher which means more people to run with which means better community) 

I tried a social experiment on my chars last night went on my alt making low ap rooms for dung on my 485 alt for lament and nexus asking 480+ and long and behold noone showed and if they did they left right away (This is because they wiped on bosses alot they need damage dealers so they can feel comfortable without that they see no point)

Tried again same requirements on my 685 main and wow they stayed (Because they saw a damage dealer who could help them why is that wrong?)

The lower ap people are tons more toxic then the high ones thanks (No the higher ones are toxic because they actually kill the game while the lower ones makes questionable choices at best)

[FakeName]

31 minutes ago, WhiteTrash said:

 

There are a lot of people around the 400-500ap why don't you all run together and help each other like we did why should we have to come bail you out? Oh cause you want fast non wipe runs too 

I tried a social experiment on my chars last night went on my alt making low ap rooms for dung on my 485 alt for lament and nexus asking 480+ and long and behold noone showed and if they did they left right away 

Tried again same requirements on my 685 main and wow they stayed 

The lower ap people are tons more toxic then the high ones thanks 

So much this.  I was running some lower ap clan members through a dung but we only had 4 people total.  Was me (690 ap), my FM friend (655 ap), my wife (WL 475 ap) and the clan tank (505 ap).  My wife advertised the party (necro 400+)  Not a single person joined.   So she passes me lead and I shout necro 400+party, bam party fills instantly.  I even get a couple pms from people asking if i can invite them.  Weird,  where were all these people 2 seconds ago when she was inviting?

 

Sorry, but I am not buying into this "they can't find parties it's impossible" bullshit.  They just don't WANT to join parties appropriate to their level.

 

 

[ColorfulDispensary]

10 minutes ago, Zedonia said:

That's so true. Most people want to be carried no matter how much ap they have.

 

I'm 671 by myself and I see it every day. With exception of masts and gloomdross 4 man I don't care about any ap. I put the dungeon (always 4 man) in the search and go. It's interesting: The group will fill up, but never with lower ap people (below 550). I would never kick someone above 500 ap, depending on the dungeon, not even above 450 and below 500, but I never see such people. Are they afraid of being kicked? Sure, with 671 ap I won't be kicked out of a group because of ap, but if I see a group search without an ap number, I will join. Why are lower ap people not doing that? Is it because of 4 man? During the last days, it even happened sometimes that a 550+ person joined (yeti for example) and asks if he can stay. I think, wtf, of course you can. It is really that bad with "lower" ap people that they are afraid of joining because they don't have 600+ ap? Then there is the problem with the toxic low ap people. Recruiting for asura for example. Someone joins and I have already a 550-600 ap person in the group (what is more than enough as you all know). The new one leaves because of too low ap. I don't think only high ap players should be flamed, many low ap players, too.

 

But there are a few things which pisses me even more off:

- people who kick random people and let a very low ap friend join so he will be carried

- people who recruit for more ap than they have by himself

- people who leave after the first wipe even it was just bad luck or they failed by himself or whatever

- people who want your achievement of the dungeon -> that's bullshit, if I would not think I can do it I would not join your group

- max. cash people -> yes, I kick such people even out of frozen lair

All I see from you is low ap don't wanna work for there stuff 

We had the same ap as you guys did when we ran it and we had noone to carry us we got along just fine wipe a wipe here and there but we did it explain to me why the new players can't and we should help them? Right I already did they wanna be carried and don't wanna learn or work for themselves 

[TheQuibbler]

and yeah i KNEW i shouldn't do sogun's but how else am i supposed to learn it? later down the road at hm8 with 510+ and tell people it's my first run(in which theyll auto leave the second they see the word first or worse! leave the second they see i'm not 550+)?

Do some research to learn it then? Watch a video, read a guide.. Be prepared for it before entering.

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yall don't wanna carry anyone period.  if you dont wanna play a game that has to do (OH MY) socialising don't play any type of mmo and stick to little phone apps 

Again, you are just being stupid..

I'm 650ap, I might hit lfp for bsc, bsh, necro and lair, if I am not in a rush.. But, and let me repeat myself, you don't get to complain about the fact that we, that have already farmed our asses off to acquire the gear we have, want to run with other high ap people.

 

We also have our own clan and friends, we are not not socializing,.. How about you go play those games, if you are not willing to put in work into a game, that is pretty much build around farming.

12 hours ago, chocofernia said:

isince none of you seemed to note how i said idiots(should i underline it and italicize it so youll actually read it?) i find it funny how any of you took offense to it 

, youre probably some type of problem if you took any type of offense to this bc i specifically said idiots and im scattered w this entire thing 

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some of you high ap idiots(please note how i say idiots)

.... What excatly are you trying to communicate? "Some of you high ap idiots".. here your are actually calling everyone with high ap idiots, but merly talking about some of those idiots.  You are not very clear in what you saying, but because you have now brought it up for the 4th time, I am assuming, that you are not actually trying to call us all idiots?

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and the plane thing,, ok so it's safer in a plane where any small mistake can cause a large malfunction? (like in nexus if you wanna go bns speak) what was it 2012? 2014 or so where a plane got lost at sea and i believe still isn't found? lol ok planes are safer!

... How about, you did a quick google search, instead of continuing this stupidity..

 

Planes are absolutly the safest form of transportation you can use.. this is a fact.. not something you can dismiss, just because you can remember a plane disapearing a few years ago..

 

The amount of accidents happening on other forms of transportation, is huge compared to flying..

Motercycles ofc being the worst option of transportation.

 

13 minutes ago, CrimsonKitsune said:

Because they saw a damage dealer who could help them why is that wrong?

What is wrong, is that they were not willing to put in the work and do the instance, without someone to boost their lazy ass..

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(No the higher ones are toxic because they actually kill the game while the lower ones makes questionable choices at best)

No.. We are not the one killing the game.. High ap people already did those dungeons, we already put in the work, we don't need to go out of our way and use more time, to boost new players. They can play the game, the same way the rest of us does.

 

Plenty of people just hit LFP, and don't care about the low ap people getting a free ride.. you can use those people, but stop complaining about the ones, not willing to carry those lazy asses, unwilling to put in any amount of work..

[ColorfulDispensary]

11 minutes ago, FakeName said:

So much this.  I was running some lower ap clan members through a dung but we only had 4 people total.  Was me (690 ap), my FM friend (655 ap), my wife (WL 475 ap) and the clan tank (505 ap).  My wife advertised the party (necro 400+)  Not a single person joined.   So she passes me lead and I shout necro 400+party, bam party fills instantly.  I even get a couple pms from people asking if i can invite them.  Weird,  where were all these people 2 seconds ago when she was inviting?

 

Sorry, but I am not buying into this "they can't find parties it's impossible" bullshit.  They just don't WANT to join parties appropriate to their level.

 

 

Yea I've noticed it alot on my sf noone wants to party unless there's a carry even in LFP alot of people drop once in cause it's all the same ap 

Went to a nexus run on it and was getting comments of of we gotta carry this nub was kind of amusing when I kept taking there aggro and having to res there 550+bodies 

I didn't die one or use a dragon blood but then I was  surprised at the end when they apologized to me lol and I followed with your welcome I love to carry they all laughed was good times 

[CrimsonKitsune]

All I see from you is low ap don't wanna work for there stuff (No what I see is people not confident in their skills to do dungeons and would like a little reassurance of not totally wiping, also NOBODY is going to farm as long as you did that is fact now your move)

We had the same ap as you guys did when we ran it and we had noone to carry us we got along just fine wipe a wipe here and there but we did it explain to me why the new players can't and we should help them? Right I already did they wanna be carried and don't wanna learn or work for themselves. (You keep saying you did it why cant they, I'll tell you why its their choice they don't want to but you want them to. NOw we're at a stalemate new people leaves game dies, high people stay and they lose social aspect of the game.)(Your move)

[FakeName]

5 minutes ago, CrimsonKitsune said:

All I see from you is low ap don't wanna work for there stuff (No what I see is people not confident in their skills to do dungeons and would like a little reassurance of not totally wiping, also NOBODY is going to farm as long as you did that is fact now your move)

We had the same ap as you guys did when we ran it and we had noone to carry us we got along just fine wipe a wipe here and there but we did it explain to me why the new players can't and we should help them? Right I already did they wanna be carried and don't wanna learn or work for themselves. (You keep saying you did it why cant they, I'll tell you why its their choice they don't want to but you want them to. NOw we're at a stalemate new people leaves game dies, high people stay and they lose social aspect of the game.)(Your move)

So because they don't want to play the game, we should babysit them "for the health of the game". 

 

Do you have any idea how completely retarded that logic is?  

 

"Oh, this person doesn't have any money cause they refuse to get a job, let me take all of your money to take care of them because they refuse to take care of themselves."

[ColorfulDispensary]

9 minutes ago, CrimsonKitsune said:

All I see from you is low ap don't wanna work for there stuff (No what I see is people not confident in their skills to do dungeons and would like a little reassurance of not totally wiping, also NOBODY is going to farm as long as you did that is fact now your move)

We had the same ap as you guys did when we ran it and we had noone to carry us we got along just fine wipe a wipe here and there but we did it explain to me why the new players can't and we should help them? Right I already did they wanna be carried and don't wanna learn or work for themselves. (You keep saying you did it why cant they, I'll tell you why its their choice they don't want to but you want them to. NOw we're at a stalemate new people leaves game dies, high people stay and they lose social aspect of the game.)(Your move)

You just answered it for yourself THEY don't want to do it themselves if they don't want to work for themselves why the f should I do the work for them ? I did my time I learned the stuff WITHOUT anyone carrying me I survived just fine why can't they oh yeah it's cause THEY don't want to that's right 

And I used to LFP alot on my main I've greatly reduced doing so after seeing how toxic low ap are when I was leveling my sf

[Displeased]

Myth: Low AP people can form their own 400+ parties and work hard at overcoming high end content through pure skill and determination. 

 

Reality: I made my own 400+ parties at BSC, BSH, Naryu, and, just for lolz, Yeti. For BSC and BSH, absolutely nobody wanted to join. For Naryu, I managed to get a 420 AP SF to join, but then nobody else joined for 5 minutes. And, of course, nobody showed up for 400+ AP Yeti, but that changed as soon as I mentioned we had a high AP FM in our party already.

 

[CrimsonKitsune]

Fake and White let me set one thing straight I CK NEVER ordered,compelled insisted, commanded anyone of ya'll that you have to help new people thats not what I said. It seems to me ya'll don't like the consequences ya'll choices brought. I can't help you with your conscience nor do I want to, but the logic is simple you don't help new people they leave and game dies simple and you lack of objection to this indicates you acknowledge this as truth. Now please remember the new people read this thread so you're not helping ya'll case when you call them lazy and bums. Lastly my advice to you both is if you don't like the reward your choice brings TRY another choice thats it.  

[TheQuibbler]

 

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Fake and White let me set one thing straight I CK NEVER ordered,compelled insisted, commanded anyone of ya'll that you have to help new people thats not what I said. It seems to me ya'll don't like the consequences ya'll choices brought. I can't help you with your conscience nor do I want to, but the logic is simple you don't help new people they leave and game dies simple and you lack of objection to this indicates you acknowledge this as truth.

19 minutes ago, CrimsonKitsune said:

(You keep saying you did it why cant they, I'll tell you why its their choice they don't want to but you want them to.)

You keep saying, that if we don't help these new players, the game is gonna die.. You also just said, read second quote, that the reason they don't put in the work, is that they don't want to.. Well.. to be *cricket*ing frank, I do not want such lazy shit in the game anyway.. If you don't want to put in the work, you have no future in this game, so better they leave now.. 

 

It is not our job, to cater to lazy people.. 

[ColorfulDispensary]

5 minutes ago, CrimsonKitsune said:

Fake and White let me set one thing straight I CK NEVER ordered,compelled insisted, commanded anyone of ya'll that you have to help new people thats not what I said. It seems to me ya'll don't like the consequences ya'll choices brought. I can't help you with your conscience nor do I want to, but the logic is simple you don't help new people they leave and game dies simple and you lack of objection to this indicates you acknowledge this as truth. Now please remember the new people read this thread so you're not helping ya'll case when you call them lazy and bums. Lastly my advice to you both is if you don't like the reward your choice brings TRY another choice thats it.  

Noone carried me and I didn't quit 

The issue is low levels don't want to do it themselves they feel and expect to be carried it's a fact since noone ever joins the parties I try to make on my nub alt so I get stuck having to LFP  kinda funny though we all had no issues running the stuff yet now amazingly noone can without help lol 

[CrimsonKitsune]

17 minutes ago, TheQuibbler said:

 

You keep saying, that if we don't help these new players, the game is gonna die.. You also just said, read second quote, that the reason they don't put in the work, is that they don't want to.. Well.. to be *cricket*ing frank, I do not want such lazy shit in the game anyway.. If you don't want to put in the work, you have no future in this game, so better they leave now.. 

 

It is not our job, to cater to lazy people.. 

I keep stating a fact its a fact those people leave because of it plain and simple, me stating a fact doesn't compel you in the slightest to help new people its your want that you don't want the game to die that makes you feel compelled NOT CrimsonKitsune so pls stop. From your seond point its the casual players right to be not willing to put in that insane grind you can't force them and its alright for you to say they can't expect help from ya'll, whats not okay is that this game is on life support and its only six months old! you can't be choosy with whom you want in the game at this point I'll take anyone I don't know about you I want this game to survive.

13 minutes ago, WhiteTrash said:

Noone carried me and I didn't quit 

The issue is low levels don't want to do it themselves they feel and expect to be carried it's a fact since noone ever joins the parties I try to make on my nub alt so I get stuck having to LFP  kinda funny though we all had no issues running the stuff yet now amazingly noone can without help lol 

So?? Nobody carried you whats that have to do with me or new people? You want a congrats. I will reiterate the new people don't want to invest their time unhealthily, your move.

[triplethreat]

The best part of this whole thread is the guy saying that planes aren't the safest form of transportation.

[ColorfulDispensary]

7 minutes ago, CrimsonKitsune said:

I keep stating a fact its a fact those people leave because of it plain and simple, me stating a fact doesn't compel you in the slightest to help new people its your want that you don't want the game to die that makes you feel compelled NOT CrimsonKitsune so pls stop. From your seond point its the casual players right to be not willing to put in that insane grind you can't force them and its alright for you to say they can't expect help from ya'll, whats not okay is that this game is on life support and its only six months old! you can't be choosy with whom you want in the game at this point I'll take anyone I don't know about you I want this game to survive.

So?? Nobody carried you whats that have to do with me or new people? You want a congrats. I will reiterate the new people don't want to invest their time unhealthily, your move.

So they don't want to invest there time to help themselves yet you want me to invest mine to help them? No i don't want congrats I want people to stop being lazy and play like everyone else did 

That's the more important issue here is they don't want to invest there time or effort they want everyone to do it for them and frankly if that's the people that are quitting I'm fine with that I don't like leeches 

[chocofernia]

1 hour ago, TheQuibbler said:

I'm 650ap, I might hit lfp for bsc, bsh, necro and lair, if I am not in a rush.. But, and let me repeat myself, you don't get to complain about the fact that we, that have already farmed our asses off to acquire the gear we have, want to run with other high ap people.

 

We also have our own clan and friends, we are not not socializing,.. How about you go play those games, if you are not willing to put in work into a game, that is pretty much build around farming.

.... What excatly are you trying to communicate? "Some of you high ap idiots".. here your are actually calling everyone with high ap idiots, but merly talking about some of those idiots.  You are not very clear in what you saying, but because you have now brought it up for the 4th time, I am assuming, that you are not actually trying to call us all idiots?

... How about, you did a quick google search, instead of continuing this stupidity.

 

lol as if low ap people dont have to farm like hell too? im still sitting my ass trying to farm for the stupid breeze weapon and then still bouncing around doing other dailies so i can still have enough naryu coin to buy dragonblood 

i have clan members and friends too who will equally get discriminated(pretty sure that's in bns' tos that's not allowed) bc theyre not 550 lmao 

and i specifically said idiots multiple times bc there are those who dont know the mechanics and screw up in the dungeon and then place the blame on someone lower than them, or those who believe that theyre the only one who did the grind to get to where they are as if everyone doesnt have the same wep requirements 

i think you should probably google "when to use an ellipses" because im seeing it throughout your post where they dont belong 

[Lunakitty]

People who aren't willing to put more effort in their gameplay will eventually leave regardless of this issue on the hand. Looking for certain group is like looking for minority language clan in game. Why you never complain about people making clans only for spanish/french/german/*insert country* but you make so huge deal about people asking for 600-700+ AP for a dungeon? If a player gets carried all the time he WILL QUIT REGARDLESS. It doesn't matter AT ALL if they get in high AP groups 24/7. At some point they will say "the game is too easy/hard" but that's what they got themselves into by looking only for people to carry them.

 

I usually just hit the LFP button on my "elitist scumbag" 661 AP main because I trust my skills and I can do any dungeon with ease. But what do I get instead? I get called noob or idiot or what ever you can imagine for killing let's say Yeti in the 4-man method while using my party saves and so on to keep every single player in party alive. Now what part of this makes me want to help out any under 550 AP player just so I can get called idiot for not getting grabbed by yeti or not stopping dps during cruxes to clear them when I can easily do DPS, avoid getting frozen and party save? It is not only the high AP people who are toxic but also those under 500 and under 450 AP who keep looking for only one way of clearing dungeon and insulting if the others don't do exactly how they think the dungeon should go. I don't want to let people who don't know multiple game play styles in my party when I only get insulted for helping clearing the dungeon. There is higher chance people who have higher AP can do multiple roles in party e.g. FM blocking Asura's orbs or BD blocking first boss's blades in Nexus.

[TheQuibbler]

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lol as if low ap people dont have to farm like hell too? im still sitting my ass trying to farm for the stupid breeze weapon and then still bouncing around doing other dailies so i can still have enough naryu coin to buy dragonblood 

Yes, they do... Thats the whole *cricket*ing point, they need to do the same work, we already did.. Don't expect us to carry you through content, that we already had to work through when we were where you are. Just because you are to lazy to put in the work.

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i have clan members and friends too who will equally get discriminated(pretty sure that's in bns' tos that's not allowed) bc theyre not 550 lmao 

Unless, they keep joing groups with ap requirement higher than they have, I doubt it...

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 those who believe that theyre the only one who did the grind to get to where they are as if everyone doesnt have the same wep requirements 

No one believes that they are the only ones who had to grind...But again, that is the point, the new players, need to do the same *cricket*ing grind, and not feel so damn entitled to being carried through everything.. just because, someone else already did it, they don't need to carry your ass through the content.

13 minutes ago, chocofernia said:

i think you should probably google "when to use a ellipses" because im seeing it throughout your post where they dont belong 

I am not actually using them wrong, but okay.

And sorry, but, you attacking my grammar, is *cricket*ing hiliarious, considering, you are just as shit as I, or worse..

 

But I guess this was just a way, to put focus off being a complete *cricket*ing moron in  regards to the plane safety?

 

[ColorfulDispensary]

7 minutes ago, Lunakitty said:

People who aren't willing to put more effort in their gameplay will eventually leave regardless of this issue on the hand. Looking for certain group is like looking for minority language clan in game. Why you never complain about people making clans only for spanish/french/german/*insert country* but you make so huge deal about people asking for 600-700+ AP for a dungeon? If a player gets carried all the time he WILL QUIT REGARDLESS. It doesn't matter AT ALL if they get in high AP groups 24/7. At some point they will say "the game is too easy/hard" but that's what they got themselves into by looking only for people to carry them.

 

I usually just hit the LFP button on my "elitist scumbag" 661 AP main because I trust my skills and I can do any dungeon with ease. But what do I get instead? I get called noob or idiot or what ever you can imagine for killing let's say Yeti in the 4-man method while using my party saves and so on to keep every single player in party alive. Now what part of this makes me want to help out any under 550 AP player just so I can get called idiot for not getting grabbed by yeti or not stopping dps during cruxes to clear them when I can easily do DPS, avoid getting frozen and party save? It is not only the high AP people who are toxic but also those under 500 and under 450 AP who keep looking for only one way of clearing dungeon and insulting if the others don't do exactly how they think the dungeon should go. I don't want to let people who don't know multiple game play styles in my party when I only get insulted for helping clearing the dungeon. There is higher chance people who have higher AP can do multiple roles in party e.g. FM blocking Asura's orbs or BD blocking first boss's blades in Nexus.

Things like that are Why I'm doing less and less LFP 98%of them are rude and don't want to learn 

My favorite is when I step up to block the orbs someone steps in front of me and blocks one and moves People that block only one orb makes me want to punch babies lol 

[chocofernia]

13 minutes ago, TheQuibbler said:

Yes, they do... Thats the whole *cricket*ing point, they need to do the same work, we already did.. Don't expect us to carry you through content, that we already had to work through when we were where you are. Just because you are to lazy to put in the work.

Unless, they keep joing groups with ap requirement higher than they have, I doubt it...

No one believes that they are the only ones who had to grind...But again, that is the point, the new players, need to do the same *cricket*ing grind, and not feel so damn entitled to being carried through everything.. just because, someone else already did it, they don't need to carry your ass through the content.

I am not actually using them wrong, but okay.

And sorry, but, you attacking my grammar, is *cricket*ing hiliarious, considering, you are just as shit as I, or worse..

 

But I guess this was just a way, to put focus off being a complete *cricket*ing moron in  regards to the plane safety?

 

im not saying i expect anyone to carry me through the content im saying it's *cricket*ing stupid to have such requirements in the dungeon, then do lfp where people still expect the requirements on a random party 

nah we do lfp ourselves and then still grab idiots 

im not saying they dont have to do the grind lmao im saying there shouldnt be requirements(even in an earlier post i said i could call out lower ap people for some stupid shit) 

i still dont think planes are safe, you can throw any stat at me and i wont give a shit, hell set me on the titantic before a plane, i can swim at least 

also u right on my grammar but i dont care how my grammar looks, the fact you took that hit a little too close to home is a bit humourous, calm down fam 

20 minutes ago, Lunakitty said:

People who aren't willing to put more effort in their gameplay will eventually leave regardless of this issue on the hand. Looking for certain group is like looking for minority language clan in game. Why you never complain about people making clans only for spanish/french/german/*insert country* but you make so huge deal about people asking for 600-700+ AP for a dungeon? If a player gets carried all the time he WILL QUIT REGARDLESS. It doesn't matter AT ALL if they get in high AP groups 24/7. At some point they will say "the game is too easy/hard" but that's what they got themselves into by looking only for people to carry them.

 

I usually just hit the LFP button on my "elitist scumbag" 661 AP main because I trust my skills and I can do any dungeon with ease. But what do I get instead? I get called noob or idiot or what ever you can imagine for killing let's say Yeti in the 4-man method while using my party saves and so on to keep every single player in party alive. Now what part of this makes me want to help out any under 550 AP player just so I can get called idiot for not getting grabbed by yeti or not stopping dps during cruxes to clear them when I can easily do DPS, avoid getting frozen and party save? It is not only the high AP people who are toxic but also those under 500 and under 450 AP who keep looking for only one way of clearing dungeon and insulting if the others don't do exactly how they think the dungeon should go. I don't want to let people who don't know multiple game play styles in my party when I only get insulted for helping clearing the dungeon. There is higher chance people who have higher AP can do multiple roles in party e.g. FM blocking Asura's orbs or BD blocking first boss's blades in Nexus.

it's only an elitist scumbag 661 ap if you believe that anyone not at a certain ap is basically trash to you or idiots for running a dungeon that's fine at their ap but then blame them for not dealing enough dmg despite the boss being dead 

there are low ap people who are rude and have a carry mindset too engraved in their brains either from previous games or just used to it in their clan, i also mentioned this earlier in one of my posts but im gonna assume you didnt read through all 4 pages lmao 

[chocofernia]

1 hour ago, CrimsonKitsune said:

I keep stating a fact its a fact those people leave because of it plain and simple, me stating a fact doesn't compel you in the slightest to help new people its your want that you don't want the game to die that makes you feel compelled NOT CrimsonKitsune so pls stop. From your second point its the casual players right to be not willing to put in that insane grind you can't force them and its alright for you to say they can't expect help from ya'll, whats not okay is that this game is on life support and its only six months old! you can't be choosy with whom you want in the game at this point I'll take anyone I don't know about you I want this game to survive.

honestly, this game was way overdue in coming out to NA in the first place and now players are already leaving bc theyre constantly put down, no one wants to be in a community like that unless theyre a masochist 

literally a couple days ago in faction chat someone was getting pissy about no one going to ssp, as if everyone would suddenly stop what theyre doing to go to fps drop central where they probably wont even get credit or die because my server group just added more ceruleans on one side and more bots on the other 

if you guys dont wanna help lower ap- then DONT, but dont expect everyone to fit into a mold for some dungeons and dont expect the game to be filled with an actual new playerbase since most wont like the rng, community toxicity, lag, and the general chore the game is becoming 

[TheQuibbler]

4 minutes ago, chocofernia said:

im not saying they dont have to do the grind lmao im saying there shouldnt be requirements(even in an earlier post i said i could call out lower ap people for some stupid shit) 

Yes there should, as explained several times, it's not our job to babysit and carry low ap people.. Therefore, if people want to require the same amount of AP that they have, they should be able to..

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i still dont think planes are safe, you can throw any stat at me and i wont give a shit, hell set me on the titantic before a plane, i can swim at least 

I wish I could, getting rid of people, that don't want to listen to facts and statistics, would be ideal..

Do you also not believe the earth is round, because you can't see thr curve?

[FakeName]

34 minutes ago, CrimsonKitsune said:

So?? Nobody carried you whats that have to do with me or new people? You want a congrats. I will reiterate the new people don't want to invest their time unhealthily, your move.

So playing the game that you supposedly play for fun is "Unhealthily"?  If playing feels unhealthy to you, quit.  You, or anyone, crying because you have to farm for gear in an mmo is just laughable.  It seems to me that the people you are describing simply don;t want to play the game.  They don't want to farm, they don't want to grind gears, they don't want to run stuff without someone overgeared to hold their hand.  What exactly do these people you are white knighting for do exactly?

 

If you were legitimately arguing for the sake of new players you would be pushing for things that actually help them.  Things like improving the droprate on critical accessories that they have to farm in now defunct (except on DC days) dungeons and returning green dungeons to cross server matchmaking.

 

What you are suggesting instead is a way to create a giant group of useless people that no one wants in their party.  Frankly, your entire argument reeks of the kind of entitlement that assumes people should be catered to for existing.  

 

 

[BabyWing]

Was the point of this thread to just discuss something that has already been talked about to death and hasn't changed (and likely won't change for a while) since launch?