why are ap elitists a thing lmao

[Pesto]

7 minutes ago, Reaper00 said:

You're forgetting that pilots actually get payed to fly planes so there is an incentive to pay for the training. Players don't get payed to play bns so there is no incentive for them to stay if no one wants to help them. I'm not saying everyone has to help out lower or less able players. What I'm saying is that if you want the game to have a healthy game population for years to come then more experienced people should help the less experienced from time to time. Sure you can say join a clan, but most clans now have minimum AP requirements too! It's nice that you do make use of lfp to help out others and you have my respect for that, but you appear to be in the minority looking at the responses to this thread.

 

During the week I can only play for around 3 hours  and yet I still get all my dungeon dailies done using lfp (the exception being Soguns Lament, but here i just look for a party looking for the right acc and antidote). But i guess i'm just old fashioned. I still play games for the challenge. 

if you like a challenge why are you here arguing about high AP players not wanting to party with lower AP players through dungeons?

 

just challenge yourself and group with low ap people?

[Reaper00]

6 minutes ago, Pesto said:

if you like a challenge why are you here arguing about high AP players not wanting to party with lower AP players through dungeons?

 

just challenge yourself and group with low ap people?

I do. As I said I do all my dungeon dailies using lfp (apart from Sogun) and run with whatever I get.

 

Besides, this thread is kinda a challenge too!

[RoyalMiku]

@OP ever heard the idioms "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" ?

Problem is I can scratch your back while u just walk away after that lol

We, high ap earn our ap by a lot grind , and new players SHOULD experience that too instead crying to skip the process

 

Let me tell my story with low ap

So around 1-2 month ago (I forgot when, but should be around that) when I just 550 AP-ish, I saw 450+ AP naryu lab, I join the party and we enter the dungeon, then I realised that there is 2 FM that has 380 AP , they wore same outfit and has similar name, the rest of party is 450-500 AP, well ok, we can do this together...

Then I feel that we run a bit slow than it should be (if you already run dungeon multiple times, you kinda know how long it takes to take a miniboss) 

Then we arrive at Minou, we fight it and it going really slow, idk why, then I saw those 2 380 FMs, they just sit in the corner and stare each other like doing chit chat while we fighting Minou, thats 2 *cricket*ing 0 AP in the 6 man group

*Instant Ragequit*

My conclusion : Idiot & selfish people is everywhere but at High AP , the number is lower than low ap people and even if they're dumb af, they still can do more DPS than low ap one, also High AP people earn their title so there is small chance you met dumb High AP people

 

 

 

and the main problem with this game isn't the AP , its lag & spikes & loss packets , it makes normal people looks dumb and stupid

[Chaeko]

for the new 4 man dungeons, people went from 550 ap to 600 ap because they want to limit the amount of people that can run the dungeon, so that is why the prices of new items on market are so high. It's not entirely because of having fast runs. 

[chocofernia]

i just LOVE how almost all assumed i under 450 who wanted to be carried, i'm borderline 500(literally 3 off) and i can pull my own weight in a dungeon where i know what to do

the main problem here actually is that when i do actually do LFP i can grab a couple hm9+ with about 600+ ap for a daily challenge and some of them will actually leave and say "not fast enough" or "not enough dmg" in a party of 450+ for CS 

 

i'll call out those low lvls who know they shouldn't be in a certain lobby but still go and then leave when they realise they cant be carried(2 hm1's under 400 ap in yeti got mad and left bc they died on first jump even tho they didnt grab dragon blood themselves)

 

since none of you seemed to note how i said idiots(should i underline it and italicize it so youll actually read it?) i find it funny how any of you took offense to it 

and about those who mentioned the hm rec on the actual dungeons, when i was an hm6(hm recc for soguns actually fyi) i was still pulling infernal accessories and sitting at around 450~470 and yeah i KNEW i shouldn't do sogun's but how else am i supposed to learn it? later down the road at hm8 with 510+ and tell people it's my first run(in which theyll auto leave the second they see the word first or worse! leave the second they see i'm not 550+)?  yall don't wanna carry anyone period.  if you dont wanna play a game that has to do (OH MY) socialising don't play any type of mmo and stick to little phone apps where you can add your fb friends (yknow the ones that all the warrior making the same face or the ones where the only interaction you make w your friends is by watering their garden or something silly along those lines)

 

and the plane thing(i rlly dont feel like quoting lol some of you are stalking the forum anyways), ok so it's safer in a plane where any small mistake can cause a large malfunction? (like in nexus if you wanna go bns speak) what was it 2012? 2014 or so where a plane got lost at sea and i believe still isn't found? lol ok planes are safer! 

 

anyways since you guys wont read this entire thing, youre probably some type of problem if you took any type of offense to this bc i specifically said idiots and im scattered w this entire thing 

[chocofernia]

7 hours ago, DirectorTseng said:

I just wanted to throw this in as a show of how bad it's getting for AP requirements. We actually saw someone calling out for a black ram supply chain last night.. 700+ AP. Yeah a lvl 45 dungon that can be run by 2 450 AP players was being called for 700 AP. If you have that much AP you can friken solo the *cricket*.

anyways yeah this is basically my point, along with those who do a 6 man dungeon easy enough for 45s but still want to call for 600+? i honestly dont get it bc the loot most likely isnt valuable to them anymore(naryu excluded), some of you guys do a run and say "fast daily", that should be open for ANYONE looking for a fast daily, if you dont want them to slow you down then help them w monsters that slow THEM down 

1 hour ago, RoyalMiku said:

@OP ever heard the idioms "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" ?

Problem is I can scratch your back while u just walk away after that lol

We, high ap earn our ap by a lot grind , and new players SHOULD experience that too instead crying to skip the process

 

Let me tell my story with low ap

So around 1-2 month ago (I forgot when, but should be around that) when I just 550 AP-ish, I saw 450+ AP naryu lab, I join the party and we enter the dungeon, then I realised that there is 2 FM that has 380 AP , they wore same outfit and has similar name, the rest of party is 450-500 AP, well ok, we can do this together...

Then I feel that we run a bit slow than it should be (if you already run dungeon multiple times, you kinda know how long it takes to take a miniboss) 

Then we arrive at Minou, we fight it and it going really slow, idk why, then I saw those 2 380 FMs, they just sit in the corner and stare each other like doing chit chat while we fighting Minou, thats 2 *cricket*ing 0 AP in the 6 man group

i can scratch your back too and you can say i'm not scratching it right(w/o telling me what im doing wrong)-- basically you got what you needed/wanted(a back scratch--done right or wrong) and im still not sure wtf to do 

yeah i agree about the new players thing, i know a player who rages everytime they don't get their wep to drop right away or they did a dungeon ONCE and the outfit for it didn't drop, then complained about no one helping them for it [facepalm] rng yknow? 

tbh the player base is just complete shart in general but i'm pointing out the high ap bc they cant expect everyone lfp'ing for a dungeon to be within the set ap range they see everyone recruiting for(like? join that party and dont hit lfp, especially for a new dungeon, most people are all doing it immediately to get a feel for it now before theyre flamed on in the future for not knowing what to do)  

[Solidarius]

+1 Choco, dont give up now bro, I 100% agree with you

 

When i started this game, the first thing i noticed was the huge ap requirements for some of the dungs, and only after doing research did i truely notice how much of a lie they were and how they are made to keep lower ap from geting stronger.

 

just because people want faster and easier runs does not mean 600+ AP for BSH is ok. I personally join these overpowred groups each and every day and call them all scrubs. 

 

It is so bad for me sometimes i get kicked out of a 550ap party when iam 540ap!!!!

 

people somehow feel that they are entitled in this game after they reach 600ap to do 3min dung runs

 

as the old say goes, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer

 

we are all to fault at this, if you ever made a party and said 500+ for BSH or 550+ for Naryu, 600+ for bloodshade, 

 

"If you are looking for the guilty you need only look into a mirror"

 

Im not saying we should all do BSH AT 300ap, but to see a 500-600ap person call out 400ap BSH instead of 500-600ap fast/easy BSH would be a breath of fresh air.

 

p.s. if you can not see the benefits of more people staying in the game and gaining ap and lvls, then theres no more discussion to be held. and blaiming ncsoft or the game does not solve the problem either.

 

[Kitsi]

17 hours ago, Cherish said:

You are very welcome to be the elitist who carries low levels through the dungeons.  I however did all those dungeons at the low ap of 400+ with my guild and we managed to survive.  It is not my responsibility to baby people with low ap because if I could do it then they can do it.  It is not my duty to molly coddle low ap players through dungeons.  Nor do I want to waste my gaming time carrying low levels through dungeons for an exciting time because I'm already bored with the dungeons and I want out of them asap.

 

We carry and help all clan members with mains and alts but we do that because we choose to help our friends.  Best advice get yourself a good clan and lfg becomes a thing of the past.

I think this person said it all lmao.

 

ot; Pretty sure you're not the only low ap person who wants to do the dungeon hence it shouldn't be a problem, now should it? ;3

[WinterWind]

I just want to post something here real quick explaining why I personally don't want to run with Lower AP players. I used to be one of those people who always recruited for the lowest required AP in cross-server to try and be nice to people and teach them the mechanics of how to run the dungeons and such at the cost of my own time. However, as time went on more and more annoying players started showing up. Every time I recruited new players and I try to explain the mechanics to them they just end up either ignoring me or just not even listening to trying to do what I say. Basically what I'm saying is that it is simply too frustrating when these "Low AP" players don't even try to learn the mechanics yet they expect us to even try to help them. Not saying that any of you are those players but just by my experience most lower AP players are like that.

[user001]

i would say this post isnt worth posting at all because you will be the ap elitist too when you hit the required ap then when u have above average elitist ap you no longer care about ap anymore.

 

 

[SilentOne]

Everyone wih high ap (except card swipers which are in minority) went through low ap joys and struggles.

 

You can always LFP and maybe fail few times at be ido in labyrint, slashmi in poha, yeti or thrasher in harbor. We all did.

 

[Sogno]

You're free to start your own group with your own requirements.

[FakeName]

11 hours ago, chocofernia said:

i just LOVE how almost all assumed i under 450 who wanted to be carried, i'm borderline 500(literally 3 off) and i can pull my own weight in a dungeon where i know what to do

the main problem here actually is that when i do actually do LFP i can grab a couple hm9+ with about 600+ ap for a daily challenge and some of them will actually leave and say "not fast enough" or "not enough dmg" in a party of 450+ for CS 

 

i'll call out those low lvls who know they shouldn't be in a certain lobby but still go and then leave when they realise they cant be carried(2 hm1's under 400 ap in yeti got mad and left bc they died on first jump even tho they didnt grab dragon blood themselves)

 

since none of you seemed to note how i said idiots(should i underline it and italicize it so youll actually read it?) i find it funny how any of you took offense to it 

and about those who mentioned the hm rec on the actual dungeons, when i was an hm6(hm recc for soguns actually fyi) i was still pulling infernal accessories and sitting at around 450~470 and yeah i KNEW i shouldn't do sogun's but how else am i supposed to learn it? later down the road at hm8 with 510+ and tell people it's my first run(in which theyll auto leave the second they see the word first or worse! leave the second they see i'm not 550+)?  yall don't wanna carry anyone period.  if you dont wanna play a game that has to do (OH MY) socialising don't play any type of mmo and stick to little phone apps where you can add your fb friends (yknow the ones that all the warrior making the same face or the ones where the only interaction you make w your friends is by watering their garden or something silly along those lines)

 

and the plane thing(i rlly dont feel like quoting lol some of you are stalking the forum anyways), ok so it's safer in a plane where any small mistake can cause a large malfunction? (like in nexus if you wanna go bns speak) what was it 2012? 2014 or so where a plane got lost at sea and i believe still isn't found? lol ok planes are safer! 

 

anyways since you guys wont read this entire thing, youre probably some type of problem if you took any type of offense to this bc i specifically said idiots and im scattered w this entire thing 

If someone joins LFP then complains about the compositon, assuming there isn't someone there who simply shouldn't be there (Ever seen a lvl 50 with 300 ap and 18k hp in Sogun's Lament before?  Cause I have) they are just stupid.  LFP comes with the inherent risk that your party may be a little special.

 

That said, if someone wants to run BSH with a 700 AP party premade they are perfectly entitled to do so.  They put in the time/effort/money/whatever to get that AP and should be able to use it in any way they want that doesn't violate ToS.  If I want to do a 6 man 690+ ap party of Tomb of the Exiles and that shit is entertaining to me then why should I feel bad cause someone else is mad about it for no reason?

 

Your Sogun's example is terrible.  If you had waited until you had appropriate equipment the reaction wouldn't be half as bad.  When you join it undergeared then throw in "Hey I don't know what I am doing" it is always going to get a bad reaction.  I have run with first time people many times, and if they actually tell me they are a first timer I will explain what i know to them before any critical bosses.  I have been the first timer too, I didn't play this game in other regions so it's all new to me.  I have never had anyone leave party cause I asked if there were any mechanics I needed to know about, but I have never entered a dungeon like Sogun's Lament in infernal shit either.

 

Showing up undergeared AND unprepared may be okay when you are running with friends, but it is NOT okay to expect 5 strangers to waste their time carrying AND educating you.

 

[CrimsonKitsune]

Chocofernia you are absolutely right the ap req is killing this game a lot, I worry for this game

[Lichtz]

6 hours ago, user001 said:

i would say this post isnt worth posting at all because you will be the ap elitist too when you hit the required ap then when u have above average elitist ap you no longer care about ap anymore.

 

 

Totally agree with you.

[CrimsonKitsune]

@OP ever heard the idioms "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" ? (Well if they were geared up they would scrath your back but you don't want to help them get there so no I guess not)

Problem is I can scratch your back while u just walk away after that lol (They try their best which isnt much but to belittle them like this is turning new people away)

We, high ap earn our ap by a lot grind , and new players SHOULD experience that too instead crying to skip the process (What would that do for them is that to man them up? What do you get from them doing that? wait ? I know you get more people leaving, the game dying so fast its becoming a phenomenon and you being all alone in the dying game) 

 

 

and the main problem with this game isn't the AP , its lag & spikes & loss packets , it makes normal people looks dumb and stupid (The main problem is not lag its upgrading then pvp balancing, then lag the point is people leave not cause lag maybe that may be why swipelords leave but the main reason why people leave is its too hard to grind and its a chore)

[spongemike]

On 2016-07-25 at 2:18 AM, chocofernia said:

im already ready for your equally salty selves saying "git gud" or "build up your ap so you wont have that problem" but it's literally so annoying and pathetic to go into lobby and see someone recruiting for a LVL 45 dungeon saying 500/550+ (mind you most lvl 45s are at like 340?)

are you stupid? lol literally it doesnt take more than 420( and knowledge of the mechs to do the crappy dungeon 

some of you high ap idiots(please note how i say idiots) are the ones who believe that you need to be 600+ to do sogun, masts or any dungeon that where you just need to know what to do rather than plow your way through a dungeon without bothering learning how to actually do it

some of yall are dumb enough to say "learn the mechanics!!!11!!" then not know them yourselves but that's another cup of tea i'll spill some other time 

for the added check bonus! everyone and i mean everyone who has a lower ap than you, you assume wants a free ride through the dungeon(aka carrying) then get mad when it seems as though they didnt do much bc you were able to deal more dmg in a less time than they could 

tbh idc what any of you have to say bc this was just my salt that wont fit in a textbox on bns 

More AP in low level dungeons = faster run. You won't beleive how much faster it is for a 6man 550+AP doing blackram. Or 600+ doing Nerco. is much much faster.

 

If you don't like it don't join their group.

[FakeName]

7 minutes ago, CrimsonKitsune said:

@OP ever heard the idioms "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" ? (Well if they were geared up they would scrath your back but you don't want to help them get there so no I guess not)

Problem is I can scratch your back while u just walk away after that lol (They try their best which isnt much but to belittle them like this is turning new people away)

We, high ap earn our ap by a lot grind , and new players SHOULD experience that too instead crying to skip the process (What would that do for them is that to man them up? What do you get from them doing that? wait ? I know you get more people leaving, the game dying so fast its becoming a phenomenon and you being all alone in the dying game) 

 

 

and the main problem with this game isn't the AP , its lag & spikes & loss packets , it makes normal people looks dumb and stupid (The main problem is not lag its upgrading then pvp balancing, then lag the point is people leave not cause lag maybe that may be why swipelords leave but the main reason why people leave is its too hard to grind and its a chore)

Your back must be tired from carrying around those big buckets full of tears.  

 

Yes the game is grindy, but if you think the solution to that is having other people carry the load of the grind for the people who refuse to fend for themselves (and yes, they are refusing to fend for themselves, otherwise they would LFP most of this shit just like everyone else had to do at some point) then you are sorely mistaken.  People who don't want to work for their shit won't work for it, no matter how much help you give them.  

 

The other factor that you consistently keep overlooking is this is YEARS and YEARS worth of content.  There are no more weapon upgrades available this year now that S4-6 on the legendaries is out.  Once we catch up to Korea that's it, there are no new content updates for who knows how long.  

 

If you are a super casual then you should expect to acquire things at a super casual rate,  If you think that you are going to be able to keep up with the moderate to hardcore players with 1/1000th their time investment you are simply smoking crack.

[CrimsonKitsune]

1 minute ago, FakeName said:

Your back must be tired from carrying around those big buckets full of tears.

Naw only my brain is tired from seeing people know the game is dying, say they don't want that but then turn around and suggest solutions to kill the game faster it's like ya'll want this game to die fast whats up with that?

[user001]

those you guys claimed to be ap elitist are mostly those above 500ap and below 600ap usually.. those above 600ap usually dont bother commenting and dont mind carry and explaining but it pissed us off when we try to tell them or ask them is this ur first time.. they just quiet or lied about it..then messed up the whole thing then when complete quest u will see.. first time achievement... + bidding everything like crazy 

 

i have never spend any money in game and didnt farm super crazily still have 630++ ap  and what i can say is what most player who player since the start would agree... be4 lv 50 patch, we farmed we grind we know the importance of the mechanic for we are the players who did 4 men bsh, and naryu below 400ap ..then come lv 50 patch.. along with many new players who are ungrateful... the high ap requirement that occur now is all thx to those ungrateful new players and also the semi new ap elitist who dont understand how the game mechanic work..... 

p/s remembering the day when i play my alt below 400ap WL and become the last 2 person surviving and clearing naryu along with a hm10 destroy while all other lv 50 players died

 

just make ur own pt or LFP and expect to be carried by high ap without complaining is what is do now when i lvling my alts ..... how to spot those so called elitist? they usually shout in cross server.. LF 530ap+ (if they are 527ap+)  or even worst the exact stat like LF 553ap+....

[mrpeeng]

Here's my 2 cents from someone who is considered "high ap", the ap requirements for me is mainly so I know I won't be wasting time.  I have very limited time to play these days,  so I try to get the most out of my time while I'm on.  If the daily challenge has some of the more difficult dungeons and I only have an hour to play, I sort of have to join those 650+ groups because it's a gamble if I go with a 500 group.  

[RoyalMiku]

9 minutes ago, CrimsonKitsune said:

@OP ever heard the idioms "I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine" ? (Well if they were geared up they would scrath your back but you don't want to help them get there so no I guess not)

Problem is I can scratch your back while u just walk away after that lol (They try their best which isnt much but to belittle them like this is turning new people away)

We, high ap earn our ap by a lot grind , and new players SHOULD experience that too instead crying to skip the process (What would that do for them is that to man them up? What do you get from them doing that? wait ? I know you get more people leaving, the game dying so fast its becoming a phenomenon and you being all alone in the dying game) 

 

 

and the main problem with this game isn't the AP , its lag & spikes & loss packets , it makes normal people looks dumb and stupid (The main problem is not lag its upgrading then pvp balancing, then lag the point is people leave not cause lag maybe that may be why swipelords leave but the main reason why people leave is its too hard to grind and its a chore)

You forgot to comment this line too :

Let me tell my story with low ap

So around 1-2 month ago (I forgot when, but should be around that) when I just 550 AP-ish, I saw 450+ AP naryu lab, I join the party and we enter the dungeon, then I realised that there is 2 FM that has 380 AP , they wore same outfit and has similar name, the rest of party is 450-500 AP, well ok, we can do this together...

Then I feel that we run a bit slow than it should be (if you already run dungeon multiple times, you kinda know how long it takes to take a miniboss) 

Then we arrive at Minou, we fight it and it going really slow, idk why, then I saw those 2 380 FMs, they just sit in the corner and stare each other like doing chit chat while we fighting Minou, thats 2 *cricket*ing 0 AP in the 6 man group

*Instant Ragequit*

My conclusion : Idiot & selfish people is everywhere but at High AP , the number is lower than low ap people and even if they're dumb af, they still can do more DPS than low ap one, also High AP people earn their title so there is small chance you met dumb High AP people

 

And about dying game (lol) , I think its safe to say that lag & spikes & disconnect make people want to quit than low ap must do the grind & leveling up their gear (isn't that the goal of this game , and why it's became my responsibility to help them upgrading THEIR gear looolll)

and most of the times I saw the top reason people quit is : Faction Merge, Unbalanced faction, SSP, Disconnects, lag & spikes, Unbalanced battleground, P2W, grind, bad RNG

Never saw / rarely saw : I'm low ap and high ap people discriminating me, i'm quit :'( , they're more tough than u think and they can look after themselves

 

If you want to role play as newbie savior, why u don't tell NCSOFT to :

- reduce the Boss's health

- make event that available to low level players

- fix the server

- make Green dungeon available again in X-server

- Implement reputation system --> I BET those high AP "elitist" people will gladly help those low level player lol

[ColorfulDispensary]

11 hours ago, Solidarius said:

+1 Choco, dont give up now bro, I 100% agree with you

 

When i started this game, the first thing i noticed was the huge ap requirements for some of the dungs, and only after doing research did i truely notice how much of a lie they were and how they are made to keep lower ap from geting stronger.

 

just because people want faster and easier runs does not mean 600+ AP for BSH is ok. I personally join these overpowred groups each and every day and call them all scrubs. 

 

It is so bad for me sometimes i get kicked out of a 550ap party when iam 540ap!!!!

 

people somehow feel that they are entitled in this game after they reach 600ap to do 3min dung runs

 

as the old say goes, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer

 

we are all to fault at this, if you ever made a party and said 500+ for BSH or 550+ for Naryu, 600+ for bloodshade, 

 

"If you are looking for the guilty you need only look into a mirror"

 

Im not saying we should all do BSH AT 300ap, but to see a 500-600ap person call out 400ap BSH instead of 500-600ap fast/easy BSH would be a breath of fresh air.

 

p.s. if you can not see the benefits of more people staying in the game and gaining ap and lvls, then theres no more discussion to be held. and blaiming ncsoft or the game does not solve the problem either.

 

Not stopping anyone from getting stronger just don't wanna deal with the wipes and inexperienced already did that when I was there ap 

 

600ap for BSH is perfectly acceptable we earned our gear we will use it as we wish and thanks for being jello and toxic about it it only fuels me to get more ap to stay away from people like you 

 

Cause you can't read you complain?

 

I worked for it dam right I'm entitled to it 

 

No different then hard working people in real life 

 

Think ima start doing 600+ everything 

 

I'm not guilty of anything I've earned all I have legally 

 

If they can read the party requirements that are being asked that wouldn't happen 

 

There are a lot of people around the 400-500ap why don't you all run together and help each other like we did why should we have to come bail you out? Oh cause you want fast non wipe runs too 

I tried a social experiment on my chars last night went on my alt making low ap rooms for dung on my 485 alt for lament and nexus asking 480+ and long and behold noone showed and if they did they left right away 

Tried again same requirements on my 685 main and wow they stayed 

The lower ap people are tons more toxic then the high ones thanks 

[Unicorns]

12 hours ago, Chaeko said:

for the new 4 man dungeons, people went from 550 ap to 600 ap because they want to limit the amount of people that can run the dungeon, so that is why the prices of new items on market are so high. It's not entirely because of having fast runs. 

Sir, you have a wild imagination. Take off your tin fold hat, youll be fine. People running 600+ parties does not stop 550+ people from making their own parties, did you know that?
All the people calling out this "ap elitists" act like NO ONE ELSE BUT HIGH AP PPL can start groups.

This thread is so dumb i cant believe it got to 3 pages long. Just a bunch of low-ish ap people complaning they cant run dungeons with "the big boys", instead of making their own groups because they "need" the high dps. If you can "pull your own weight", then you dont need someone with 100-150 more ap than you to run with you, get people around your ap and should be good to go, if you cant pull it off, then you were just asking to get carried.



 

[Zedonia]

7 minutes ago, WhiteTrash said:

I tried a social experiment on my chars last night went on my alt making low ap rooms for dung on my 485 alt for lament and nexus asking 480+ and long and behold noone showed and if they did they left right away 

Tried again same requirements on my 685 main and wow they stayed 

The lower ap people are tons more toxic then the high ones thanks 

That's so true. Most people want to be carried no matter how much ap they have.

 

I'm 671 by myself and I see it every day. With exception of masts and gloomdross 4 man I don't care about any ap. I put the dungeon (always 4 man) in the search and go. It's interesting: The group will fill up, but never with lower ap people (below 550). I would never kick someone above 500 ap, depending on the dungeon, not even above 450 and below 500, but I never see such people. Are they afraid of being kicked? Sure, with 671 ap I won't be kicked out of a group because of ap, but if I see a group search without an ap number, I will join. Why are lower ap people not doing that? Is it because of 4 man? During the last days, it even happened sometimes that a 550+ person joined (yeti for example) and asks if he can stay. I think, wtf, of course you can. It is really that bad with "lower" ap people that they are afraid of joining because they don't have 600+ ap? Then there is the problem with the toxic low ap people. Recruiting for asura for example. Someone joins and I have already a 550-600 ap person in the group (what is more than enough as you all know). The new one leaves because of too low ap. I don't think only high ap players should be flamed, many low ap players, too.

 

But there are a few things which pisses me even more off:

- people who kick random people and let a very low ap friend join so he will be carried

- people who recruit for more ap than they have by himself

- people who leave after the first wipe even it was just bad luck or they failed by himself or whatever

- people who want your achievement of the dungeon -> that's bullshit, if I would not think I can do it I would not join your group

- max. cash people -> yes, I kick such people even out of frozen lair