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I'm calling BS on this post. The greedy knucklehead cheating pvprs' killed BG, not NC Soft. If you were a gold pvpr, you cheated, and you raked in the HM coin. You know it, I know it, they know it. And yet 2/3 of the community clamored for NC Soft not to implement harsher anti cheats, because if they did the game would be dead in a week. Honestly, the game population is too low to do anything that will ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ even 25% off. If you want to keep playing BNS, just keep your mouth shut and enjoy the game until something better comes along, because making any sort of changes for your better is gonna be worse for those who have just become too accustomed to cheating. You cant even run foe or demonsbane now without some idiot jumping across half the dungeon. It just so brazen. I think these people simply will look for another game to exploit at this point if they get banned.

yep, 100%. Game is just not fun to play anymore, and loads new content is needed to keep the game viable.

I think you are ALL missing the point. The OP suggests that the game needs to add more gold so we can continue to upgrade gear to levels well beyond what any of the content requires. This is pure, mindless drudgery, and nothing close to anything that can be considered fun. The solution isnt to grind more, the solution is to STOP PLAYING until NC decides to add enough new content that the game is actually fun to play. Sorry, the truth hurts. This game has killed itself.

I dont think they can do anything different. They rush everyone to end game, and yet there is hardly any new content for it, and where there is it is not challenging it is only repetition. Making you grind for gold is all they can do to keep the ever-dwindling base still here. The formula has become old and stale. The same with RNG. The only challenge they can provide doesnt come with enough decent new content, it comes with having to do repetitive BS for a minor improvement.

It is my hope that they are seriously reworking those areas

It's pretty tragic what they've done to FM in general, not just third spec. I grind and grind to upgrade gear month after month, only to see no or negative dps increases due to constant nerfs. I mean why is it so damn hard to balance this class properly? I am told there are zero competitive FMs left in Korea. People have always complained about FM being OP but if you look at the leader boards FM has always made a relatively poor showing overall. And yes, fire still does more damage, but they still cant even get our badge right. A dinosaur badge is still more effective than BM badge. 3rd spec was a fun spec to play, but the dps loss is just not worth it.

The game is in tatters. Most dungeons are a ridiculously easy snoozefest for even weak alts, classes that have played the longest gets shafted the most, pvp is in absolute ruins, cheating hasn't been curbed in the slightest and population rates are at an all time low. If the company can't do the most basic things right, do you really expect them to be able to balance the classes?

game is already pretty dead. This needed to happen 2 years ago.

This is just a joke. Such a poor game.

Its kind of unfair to claim that people who are upset that lowbies can get equal gear are now just butthurt. BNS has always been a grindy game. If people troved hard for items that were then given away in the next patch the place would go ballistic. We see this already in the current patch with new souls, gear, etc. If there is no reward or incentive for the time and/or money spent, why play at all? Why don't they just give us everything and take away any advantages associated with actually playing the game?

Also, am I reading this right? Aion makes more money than BNS?

Let's not confuse UE4 and poor management decisions. UE4 has been great. All the other stuff is absolutely true. I've never seen such a great core game get so destroyed by poor management decisions.

I tend to agree with OP. Demonsbane should have been capped to 5 runs a day. Making Uzume obsolete this quickly was also stupid.

These free upgrades are all BS if you ask me, and have absolutely destroyed low and mid tier play. I have always said the best way to advance in BNS is not to play. Its absolutely ludicrous that you can make more gold by playing low level alts than putting all that time into your main.

To my knowledge GCD has almost no affect on Forcemaster, and certainly nothing like you describe here. A while back I know there was some sort of cheat with volt salvo but I don't think that is available anymore. God Mode just has the ability to spew out damage, but FM has already been nerfed to hell. I swear some people just wont be happy until FM is just removed from the game despite it never being very high in the rankings.

It is absolute BS. They need to put much more creative energy into this game.

I wish they would do to warden and several other classes what they did to FM

The rankings speak for themselves. Its really that simple. There are cheaters, and some cheats benefit more classes than others. There is huge gear imbalance. There is huge class imbalance. There is huge wintrading and thus team imbalance. If you are at the top ranks it is more likely these aspects and not your great skill that got you there. It needs to get fixed. I truly wish it was just a matter of skill. Only those at the top seem to feel that way. Ironic, isnt it.

Yep, agree with all this. Fix your damn game already.

This is spot on. Sojaa a perfect example of an excellent player who has never risen much because he doesnt cheat and he doesnt empty his wallet. Take away the gear and the cheats and most (not all) of these players shouting about "learn your class" would be dust in the rankings. When BNS first came out the class balance was not perfect but it was better than it ever has been since. It's time to equalize the gear and the classes and ban the cheaters. Getting really tired of people telling others they dont know how to play a class when there is no way they can compete with the 16 max geared, cheating toxic bungholes still doing pvp.

Iconic if we take your max gear ass out there is like one FM in the top 20 for wwv, beluga and nova. This isnt just about playing your class, it's about being equal to people with similar gear. I am sure you love to cite your great skill in pvp because your gear can take anyone out. When comparing classes of equal gear, FM is no longer competitive. FM was one of the most populous classes. The rankings speak for themselves.

HA! Try being an FM! We have been nerfed to oblivion in pvp. Class balance absolutely broken and their attempts to fix only make things worse. This is the most terribly managed company ever.

I am going to concur with the above. My system is ten years old, running an x58 mobo. It runs an overclocked x5680 xeon chip. I upgraded the gpu to a fairly inexpensive gtx1660 super. TBH honest, UE4 runs just great, and far better than ue3. Even Koldrak is far more playable. If I can get great gameplay on this system and you can't, then its very likely you need to upgrade or something else on your system is wrong.

I find this thread confusing. For most games, the actual fun comes from the act of improving your character. The end game dungeons are no more enjoyable than the entry or mid level dungeons or raids (in fact they may be less enjoyable). The reason why people want end game content immediately is because the entry and mid level stuff is so easy, and there are no level limits as to who can enter. The entry and mid stuff is so easy because NC gives away all the gear needed to make them challenging. The solution is LESS cta events, and lock out high level players from entry and mid dungeons. This will force new players and alts to actually cooperate with each other and enjoy the dungeons that were designed for them, and give them a real sense of advancement rather than the artifical and short lived one you experience when you get everything handed to you. What I hear is new players saying "if I can't compete with the guys that have been playing for 5 years in 2 months I will not be happy."

WTF is wrong with people who seem to think that cheating is ok if no one is hurt? Have you any integrity? This is a community game, you play with other people, and for some the fun of it is in fact competitive. You don't get to make your own rules. Grow up or get out.