Nothing good last long here (Sacred Longgui key)

[MurdoqSenpai]

 

Lets watch sacred orb prices skyrockt along with everything that uses it.
Nice adjustment like the one made with oils in the past.

 

This better be a typo and use sacred CRYSTALS instead, or just be another option to purchase keys.

Edited July 23, 2019 by MurdoqSenpai

[MurdoqSenpai]

Brace yourselves guys, adjustment is coming.

 

[Grimoir]

I mean people were complaining about it being 1 ms crystal, so they changed it. There were even ppl saying they have too many sacred orbs....well tada.

[MurdoqSenpai]

More like sacred crystal probably. Everyone have it.

 

Sealed version of anything in this game "only" people that whale trove and rng boxes have alot to spare.

 

Just think about it, 300 keys will cost 900 orbs, you will receive like 500 i think. Where this 400 orbs will come from? Talking about only a weekend of rookie farm.

 

Anyway this adjustment will butcher MSP farm.

This adjustment should be one more option to buy the key not the only one.

[MurdoqSenpai]

I hope they do the same as this. Took a while but was done right, after some time.

Edited July 23, 2019 by MurdoqSenpai

[Grimoir]

18 minutes ago, MurdoqSenpai said:

I hope they do the same as this. Took a while but was done right, after some time.

But then you get people complaining about that it need elysian crystals, which you need so many to upgrade.... o.o

[MurdoqSenpai]

34 minutes ago, Grimoir said:

But then you get people complaining about that it need elysian crystals, which you need so many to upgrade.... o.o

Sorry, i mean do adjustment till reach a good thing, was not about the materials. Just using it as example.

In this case, they released an option to buy the elements/jewel, and when they see people complainig about it, they made another adjustment leaving the old way plus the new costs.

Was done adjustments 3 or 4 times before reach a good way for the players.

 

And the materials were not exchanged for any Sealed version. For instance sacred crystals are piling up while people are trading 30-35k orbs everyday in F5 market.

 

Edited July 24, 2019 by MurdoqSenpai

[wefhqweig]

This complaint makes no sense to me, seems like one of those posts that's whining just to whine. How do you get 300 extra Moonstone Crystals every weekend easier than you could get 900 Sacred Orbs? I get the argument of processed vs unprocessed, but an abundance of Sacred Orbs has nothing to do with trove because trove hardly offers any, you get more Moonstones if anything. They want keys to have a cost, not be free, so if I have to pay, this is the better option. Sacred Orbs are given out like candy from almost every dynamic and solo instance. Now you can use your Sacred Crystals like normal, and save orbs for MSP, while actually gaining instead of losing Moonstone Crystals from farming MSP, which is the most complained about resource.

[MurdoqSenpai]

You dont lose moonstones crystals, you receive a tiny amount considering the entire week doing purple train.

You can farm it doing pvp too. Moonstone crystal was not an issue to be removed. If they want to give a better choice then give a choice not a substitute.

 

Grimoir said people complaint about ms crystal...
 

The problem is not the key alone but everything that uses sacred orbs will rise the price.

Sacred orbs are now 70-90s? The price will raise alot. You will see.

 

About using sacred crystal like normal... i have alot ALOT sacred crystal collectin dust, my alts become mules to carry these.

 

Sacred crystal are given like candy, not orbs. We get a good amount during the week but will not be enoght.

 

Considering only 300 keys, its 900 orbs, where can i get these 900 orbs? MSP farm will not supply it, msp + purple train will not too.

 

While buying msp keys with ms crystal and get some back, with orbs will be a different story. We will burn our orbs reserves.

 

Sacred orbs is a bad choice cus 3 is too much, and 2 is not enoght.

 

In my opnion the best thing for everyone would be release this as a choice, market would balance itself.

 

3 orbs with no ms crystal option will just scramble the market, like they have done with oils. Price raised from 100-150g to 250 in a week. Today is like 350g.

 

Its not whining at all, its my point of view, i can be wrong in a general picture, but for me its what is happening.

[MurdoqSenpai]

In the end of the day, people that dont have a good stock of orbs will see this as a "ninja nerf" considering it was done to help with moonstone problem.

 

People will end up leaving the game, since the best place to farm mats (not moonstone as always) is getting a nerf.

 

And the player base cant afford people leaving every att. As it happened when they scramble with oils, and the last one with demons spirit stones.

 

Leaving these two options, 3 orbs or 1 moonstone, would be perfect. People can farm moonstone using orbs, and farm orbs with crystal.

Edited July 24, 2019 by MurdoqSenpai

[KzE]

They should add this as a 2nd option, not a change.

Edited July 24, 2019 by KzE

[Grimoir]

1 hour ago, MurdoqSenpai said:

About using sacred crystal like normal... i have alot ALOT sacred crystal collectin dust, my alts become mules to carry these.

Well...all accessories and weapon upgrades now need around 500+ Sacred crystals per upgrade starge, and the lower soul tiers aswel, so while you think you have an abundance, once new accessories / weapon will be upgraded you will see those deplete pretty fast, trust me, i burned through all my crystals when i was upgrading and i had several thousands.

Edited July 24, 2019 by Grimoir

[MurdoqSenpai]

I believe i dont need to worry about sacred crystals, at least for now.

There is only 2 new pve acessories in korean server.

with weapon, soul, heart, pet and talisman too i dont believe that they together will consume my stock. Since i need to farm sacred oils/petpods, and this farm alone will give alot more crystals then i can use.

 

 

I dont do any farm other then msp in the weekend and purple train in a daily base, only in my main character.

 

Devs could lower the sacred crystal drop and rise a little monstone crystal drop in msp.

A good part of the player base is farming msp now, for mats and sealed things to earn some gold.

Keys with orbs will hit way harder on those people.

 

Ncsoft devs strugle to much to balance materials drops, places to farm and ways to earn $. This is happening since they introduced those sealed/unsealed thing.

This actual oil problem and lack of places to farm moonstone crystals, looks like the game is still in beta and they are trying to figure out what to do.

 

3 years of NA and 6 korean i think...

 

I love to play this game but to be honesty, we dont even have a good friend/block list, F8 is a nightmare for people who need it, there is no new content without alot of bugs, the list keep growing.

[Grimoir]

56 minutes ago, MurdoqSenpai said:

I believe i dont need to worry about sacred crystals, at least for now.

There is only 2 new pve acessories in korean server.

with weapon, soul, heart, pet and talisman too i dont believe that they together will consume my stock. Since i need to farm sacred oils/petpods, and this farm alone will give alot more crystals then i can use.

I have no doubt you are fine on them, but the thing you have to take into account, is that that is you, not everyone has such a surplus of the crystals, i am now more than fine on them aswel, but a lot of others arent :P

[KzE]

3 hours ago, MurdoqSenpai said:

 

Ncsoft devs strugle to much to balance materials drops, places to farm and ways to earn $. This is happening since they introduced those sealed/unsealed thing.

This actual oil problem and lack of places to farm moonstone crystals, looks like the game is still in beta and they are trying to figure out what to do.

This is the western version problem, i never seen a korean player having problem with this. We got changed alot of thing, but sadly many of them in a bad way.

[CastielSeven]

AND this is why i bought 400 keys with MC's before the patch dropped. Sacred orbs are gonna sky rocket now.  

[MurdoqSenpai]

7 hours ago, Grimoir said:

I have no doubt you are fine on them, but the thing you have to take into account, is that that is you, not everyone has such a surplus of the crystals, i am now more than fine on them aswel, but a lot of others arent :P

i agree, the same happens with moonstone crystal and any sealed material.

 

3 hours ago, CastielSeven said:

AND this is why i bought 400 keys with MC's before the patch dropped. Sacred orbs are gonna sky rocket now.  

Yeterday i spent all my crystal just to avoid buying keys with orb for some time. 

[Arohk]

19 hours ago, Grimoir said:

I mean people were complaining about it being 1 ms crystal, so they changed it. There were even ppl saying they have too many sacred orbs....well tada.

well, yeah i have about 3000 of them but moonstone crystals are better used on Oils or something.

Sacred Orbs don't have much use right now.

[wefhqweig]

12 hours ago, MurdoqSenpai said:

You dont lose moonstones crystals, you receive a tiny amount considering the entire week doing purple train.

You can farm it doing pvp too. Moonstone crystal was not an issue to be removed. If they want to give a better choice then give a choice not a substitute.

Grimoir said people complaint about ms crystal...

The problem is not the key alone but everything that uses sacred orbs will rise the price.
Sacred orbs are now 70-90s? The price will raise alot. You will see.

About using sacred crystal like normal... i have alot ALOT sacred crystal collectin dust, my alts become mules to carry these.

Sacred crystal are given like candy, not orbs. We get a good amount during the week but will not be enoght.

Considering only 300 keys, its 900 orbs, where can i get these 900 orbs? MSP farm will not supply it, msp + purple train will not too.

While buying msp keys with ms crystal and get some back, with orbs will be a different story. We will burn our orbs reserves.

Sacred orbs is a bad choice cus 3 is too much, and 2 is not enoght.

In my opnion the best thing for everyone would be release this as a choice, market would balance itself.

3 orbs with no ms crystal option will just scramble the market, like they have done with oils. Price raised from 100-150g to 250 in a week. Today is like 350g.

Its not whining at all, its my point of view, i can be wrong in a general picture, but for me its what is happening.

You do lose Moonstone Crystals from farming MSP, unless you didn't do many runs and stockpiled keys from the week, but I'm not referring to the "free" keys. If you spend 200 Moonstones Crystals to open 50 of each Stage 4, Stage 5, and Stage 6 boxes. You will not get the 200 Moonstone Crystals you spent on keys back, you will get at best maybe 130 back. So if you end up with 70 less Moonstone Crystals than you started with, you are losing them, not gaining a small amount.

I do agree with giving us options rather than substitutes to appeal to different players. Moonstones for those who enjoy PvP and have a surplus, Sacred Orbs for those who don't.

Sacred Orb prices already plummeted, when was the last time Sacred Orbs were so close, and now actually sometimes lower than Soulstones? Compared to Elysian and Moonstone Crystals, Sacred Orbs have no good use or sink, this balances things out more than anything.
You can get Sacred Orbs from just about every relevant dynamic quest and material box. Someone who doesn't PvP can ask the same question about Moonstone Crystals. Any additional you need, well as you said, F5 prices may be affected by the change, but stop complaining as if it's an abnormally bad thing, it's not. It's balancing because Sacred Orb prices only fell this low(emphasis on fell because 70 silver was not their normal price for long) ) because they had no good use so most people were building up literally thousands and had nothing to do with them. So the rest that you need, you can simply buy and it'll still be worth while for MSP. The amount of Sacred Orbs, Elysian Orbs and Evolved Stones you get back will definitely outweigh the cost of having to buy some Sacred orbs.

Whether it's a bad choice or not is your opinion, and I disagree. Even if the price increases, the ratio of Sacred Orbs you get back is about the same as it is with current Moonstone Crystals, except orbs are much more easily obtainable. There aren't enough people doing 6s to justify all the need for Moonstones in my opinion so some alleviation and moving the cost elsewhere is good for me.

I've only been around a couple years, taking some breaks here in there, but I've been back for a few months now and never saw oils at 100-150g. They went from 220g before the nerf and new heart/soul stages then went to 300-320g. Prices for oils are always high, to me it's not often when prices are at 220g, so that wouldn't be my expectation, just like I wouldn't expect Sacred Orbs to maintain the price of 70s when they used to be 2 gold.

[MurdoqSenpai]

You missed the parte i say, "entire week".
 

Considering only weekend of farm, you lose alot crystal.

 

Considering an entire week doing purple train and doing mult msp in the weeend, you receive a tiny amount of crystal. This not doing pvp at all.

I have not lost moon stones crystal since the revamp of msp even while i spent more then 300 keys per weekend.

 

Now with sacred orbs, if they stop at 2g good, but even with this "low price" will kill the msp farm.
Chest 4 - 3 orbs = 6g to open 
chest 5 - 3 orbs = 6g to open
chest 6 - 6 orbs = 12g to open

 

This will raise prices for oils too... 350g looks not high enoght. But yeah we have trove and rng box to fill the gap.

 

Someone said 1 moonstone crystal the key is free... but consider the time you spent farming, with a diminished reward you will end up wasting your time doing mult.

[wefhqweig]

2 minutes ago, MurdoqSenpai said:

You missed the parte i say, "entire week".

Considering only weekend of farm, you lose alot crystal.

Considering an entire week doing purple train and doing mult msp in the weeend, you receive a tiny amount of crystal. This not doing pvp at all.

I have not lost moon stones crystal since the revamp of msp even while i spent more then 300 keys per weekend.

Now with sacred orbs, if they stop at 2g good, but even with this "low price" will kill the msp farm.
Chest 4 - 3 orbs = 6g to open 
chest 5 - 3 orbs = 6g to open
chest 6 - 6 orbs = 12g to open

This will raise prices for oils too... 350g looks not high enoght. But yeah we have trove and rng box to fill the gap.

Someone said 1 moonstone crystal the key is free... but consider the time you spent farming, with a diminished reward you will end up wasting your time doing mult.

It's not that I missed the part, I just failed to understand. I didn't think any one would compare the sum of all Moonstone Crystals they gained for the week to what they lost in MSP and look at the net outcome as what they gained for the week, in the way that you did.

Let me make sure I have this correct, and please don't mind my figurative numbers, they're just for example. So let's say Monday you have 0 Moonstone Crystals, and by the weekend you're up to 300. You do your MSP, spend the 300 MS Crystals on keys and you get back 130 MS Crystals. Now overall, for the week, you still gained 130 Moonstone Crystals, plus a ton of all other materials. Is that what you meant?
Also, currently Moonstones are often on the higher end 6-7g and sometimes more. Add the 50 silver and it's a clear nerf in to the price in that sense. And that is if Sacred Orbs do rise to 2g, I doubt it'll go that high, but maybe close. As someone who needs many Moonstone Crystals, and my friends and some clannies agree, I equate the price of Moonstone Crystals to raw Moonstones because I need them. 

[MurdoqSenpai]

No, dont come even close to 130 crystal, for this im sure, but i have not lost any in the end. Lets say i got 10ms crystal in the end of an entire week. I dont do pvp and dont farm anyware this material.

 

But now with orbs, soon or later we will need to buy orbs as you was buying sealed moonstones. The best way to farm sacred orbs is msp and this will not be enoght to suply the demand for keys.

 

I just hope the price dont raise more then the 2g as you say.

 

Trade volume in market is already like 30k orbs per day and will rise alot in the weekends with people buying keys.

 

Lets see what happens, a good side of this is the price of moonstone will drop. Lets hope in the end oils prices drops too, i think in two weeks we can have a preview of what is coming about this adjustment.

 

I think oils prices will be more messed up and msp farm will die. Just my tought, future will tell im no specialist.

 

Would be so easy if they just add as an option but we know ncsoft, maybe after 2-3 updates they change it again.

[Astarae]

On 7/23/2019 at 2:56 PM, Grimoir said:

I mean people were complaining about it being 1 ms crystal, so they changed it. There were even ppl saying they have too many sacred orbs....well tada.

People?  Cite the references and quotes.  I don't have enough keys to open my chests as it was.  So please stop making things up just to support your secret employer.

 

 

[wefhqweig]

19 hours ago, MurdoqSenpai said:

No, dont come even close to 130 crystal, for this im sure, but i have not lost any in the end. Lets say i got 10ms crystal in the end of an entire week. I dont do pvp and dont farm anyware this material.

 

But now with orbs, soon or later we will need to buy orbs as you was buying sealed moonstones. The best way to farm sacred orbs is msp and this will not be enoght to suply the demand for keys.

 

I just hope the price dont raise more then the 2g as you say.

 

Trade volume in market is already like 30k orbs per day and will rise alot in the weekends with people buying keys.

 

Lets see what happens, a good side of this is the price of moonstone will drop. Lets hope in the end oils prices drops too, i think in two weeks we can have a preview of what is coming about this adjustment.

 

I think oils prices will be more messed up and msp farm will die. Just my tought, future will tell im no specialist.

 

Would be so easy if they just add as an option but we know ncsoft, maybe after 2-3 updates they change it again.

I have opened hundreds of MSP boxes. I've taken note of my rates of all mats per box several times. I always got 56% to 63% of the Moonstone Crystals I spent on keys back after opening.

50 of each box, 50 Stage 4, 50 Stage 5, and 50 Stage 6 would cost 50+50+100 Moonstone Crystals. Out of that many boxes, I received 126 Moonstone Crystals. I've tested this out over hundreds of box openings and looking at other's results online and the results are typically similar.

Sacred Orbs at the cost of 3:1 did give me a slightly less return rate compared to Moonstones, typically staying closer to the 55% rate. I.e. I had 36 Stage 4 boxes and 38 Stage 5 and 6 boxes which would cost 450 Sacred Orbs, and I received 248 Sacred Orbs back which is 55%. Do note though, you get Sacred Crystals as well, and you're less likely to need to buy as many extra for upgrading gear, crafting or transmuting anything with Sacred Orbs as you would for Moonstones.

That said, with Moonstone Crystals as the cost, even if I didn't, in your sense of the word, lose MS Crystals, the amount you gain isn't nearly enough to upgrade/craft/transmute anything. Last time I farmed a decent amount, I ended with around 400 Elysians, thousands of Sacred Orbs+Crystals, thousands of Soulstone Crystals(not as many as Sacreds though), and 70 Moonstone Crystals. So I would end up having to buy Moonstones for 6-7g each. Just because I didn't directly spend gold on Moonstones to buy the keys, spending my supply of MS Crstyals on keys is the reason I needed to buy them, so no, it is not free, that is a dumb and flawed logic. In the end, I am more or less paying for almost all of the Moonstone Crystals I had to spend on keys. That said, some simple math and Sacred Orbs should be the better option for most players. The price shouldn't sky rocket as much as some people are exaggerating, because it's limited by the value of the mats you get back. So no, Sacred Orbs will not raise to some ridiculous price because there would be no market to sustain that kind of price.

4 hours ago, Astarae said:

People?  Cite the references and quotes.  I don't have enough keys to open my chests as it was.  So please stop making things up just to support your secret employer.

 

 

I for one didn't like the Moonstone Crystal cost, and neither did my friends. One of them went so far as to say with the change to Sacred Orbs, they felt it's pretty much free now because they had thousands sitting in their inventory. Although, I did quickly disagree with that, because once those are gone, his Sacred Orb supply isn't gonna replenish itself nearly fast enough to keep up with the need for keys, just like my Moonstone Crystal supply didn't replenish itself fast enough currently for me. But Sacreds still are the lesser poison as far as I can tell.

[Astarae]

 

7 hours ago, wefhqweig said:

 

I for one didn't like the Moonstone Crystal cost, and neither did my friends. 

Actually, I thought they had subbed in orb-of-ascensions...sacred orbs, don't really care.

 

But they should give more keys and more green gems so I can at least open

the 4-6's on a 1-6.  That's sorta lame.

 

Maybe cut the green-orb cost to 5, or take 1 yellow as a substitute.