mihwK Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I would like to have the defending people of this game explain me how this is not pay to win: BM / Warlock / BD - BSH 4man Skill Books These Books: - have a price of 400g+! - they increase the power of the character tremendously I tried to inform myself over the Warlock, and people say the book will increase the DMG by 70%. I've watched MANY youtube videos, where ppl would talk about builds and specifically say "you can't do this without the BSH book". A person willing to spend irL money, is able to buy Gold and with that, able to buy these insanely overpriced books. If I face a mirror match in arena as any of the stated classes above, the game will be unfair. It's not an even match at all, and my enemy has the potential to buy this power = pay to win. Whiteknights (fanboys) assemble! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
news757 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Just save your money up and buy it. Just because you're broke dont cry pay2win. Im far off from buying the book nor do I care at lvl1 warlock but will save my money up to buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihwK Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, news757 said: Just save your money up and buy it. Just because you're broke dont cry pay2win. Im far off from buying the book nor do I care at lvl1 warlock but will save my money up to buy it. Just because you have to save up for it, doesn't mean someone else isn't able to simply buy this power for money, it's not fair. P2W is about getting an advantage over others with money, which these books exactly do, their drop rate is insanely low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyrBlackwood Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 First learn what pay2win is. Second you can farm the book yourself, noone said you have to buy it from Marketplace (which is player controlled not by NCSoft). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoowieEU Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 "zomg guys, it's P2W because I can't afford the skill people that people are selling on the Auction House!" mihwK I just need to go and tell me mum what you said as well, as I'm sure she will also find it very informative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
news757 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Aint gonna argue with you, there are thousands of post with people crying like you. You should have just joined one of those. Enjoy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadmesa Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Grind 4man BSH for the books. Easy. Not pay2win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickilli Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 No pay to win means the only way to obtain something is with real life cash a paywall.... Gold is earned in game therefore it is not in anyway shape or form pay to win.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
news757 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Why are you playing this game if you want to cry p2w???? Just leave or are you bored and just want to spark conversation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoowieEU Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 zomg guys, people are selling items for large amounts of gold that I can't afford ... it has to be P2W!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihwK Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 They said, they won't do pay to win stuff in this game, they keep saying this many many times aswel. You should learn what pay to win means, I already stated and copied you the dictionary, atleast try to fanboy a little smarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeager Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 So... Are you telling us you can't manage to save gold for some days or that you can't even find a roster for at least a daily BSH4 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
news757 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Just now, DoowieEU said: zomg guys, people are selling items for large amounts of gold that I can't afford ... it has to be P2W!!!! Hahaha thanks for the laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihwK Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, DoowieEU said: zomg guys, people are selling items for large amounts of gold that I can't afford ... it has to be P2W!!!! Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pay-to-win It's okay bobby, I will explain this to you, I'm expecting brainless people when I make a thread like this. Someone who can buy power at a faster rate because he pays for it, is the definiton of p2w. Just because you can save up gold doesn't mean it's not p2w. I just rocked your world, admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caex Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 so... your logic here is this A Person has a CHOICE and its not RECQUIRED to buy gold ( and potentially get banned for this) to buy a silly item in a game that could potentially make a character jsut a bit stronger.... This is not the definition of Pay to win. Pleeeeease stop waving around this Pay to win crap for every little thing... jesus you kids are embarrassing me to call myself a gamer =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoowieEU Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 zomg, but guys ... to be a real gamer I have to say everything is P2W because I'm not as good as everyone else! zOMG! [enter random urban-dictionary link about what a real gamer is] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azraelkun Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I payed easy 139 gold to get my sins book only by doing arena n getting gold pouch easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadmesa Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, deadmesa said: Grind 4man BSH for the books. Easy. Not pay2win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Succubus Lilith Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (If you can't afford something, go earn it yourself. Getting the minimum equipment for 4 man BSH isn't difficult with proper resource management. The only difficult part will be groups that don't know what they are doing and the drop rate. The books are expensive for a reason.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealElvis Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, mihwK said: Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pay-to-win Get #rekt kid, you should learn before you open your mouth. I'm simply posting a statement as a question. This shit is pay to win, it's 100% PAY TO WIN. I don't need any explanation, I simply need people to see it so NCSoft can go back to their word and do something about it. Whoever came up with this explanation of a definition is a retard. No wonder you don't know what P2W governs when you're using fake sources in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
news757 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 That awkward moment when OP thought everyone was going to agree with him/her hahaha. This forum has been so much entertainment today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainy Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Okay everybody, you heard the guy, the game is pay2win. Time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeager Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 So by that logic/definition almost every game is a P2W. Sorry but that's how money works, it will always make things faster. Now stop whining and deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickilli Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 1 minute ago, mihwK said: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pay-to-win Maybe you should have spend some time learning how to read, so you can inform yourself what p2w actually means in your mature state. The fract that you use the Urban dictionary to define anything explains Much... You know nothing, you know it and you show it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyrBlackwood Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 10 minutes ago, mihwK said: Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pay-to-win Get #rekt kid, you should learn before you open your mouth. Buying that Book for irL money(Euros = Gold) means at a faster rate. I'm simply posting a statement as a question. This shit is pay to win, it's 100% PAY TO WIN. I don't need any explanation, I simply need people to see it so NCSoft can go back to their word and do something about it. First of all that is pay2advance not pay2win. Second, again it is the players that make the prices not the Devs, so just because it costs 400g now and you cannot afford it doesn't mean it is pay2win. Before Warlock announcement the his book was ~30g on EU which you can farm in 1 week with super casual play (30-60mins per day). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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