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Received Week 2, Customer Support too lazy to send Week 1 though. 😞 @Green StormThanks for taking the advice and editing the page to reflect the actual start and end times of the event. Please continue to do so in the future. Some things don't revolve around maintenance or daily reset even, the game has a lot of different reset times for various things for example, the HM store. Could even be doing off of a 12a server time vs UTC etc. Server for NA is located in EDT (Virginia) where the West corp seems to go off of PDT (prob Cali) then server time still seems to use CDT from the good old Texas server location in central days and then you have EU and UTC and such... So if some events end up revolving around say a HM store daily reset or midnight some time zone please specify in the future to make it less confusing. You guys always did it for the maintenances but not so much for the individual sub events. Sure most revolve around pre/post maintenance but not all do. Also sucks some got shafted because of completing on the June 1st overlap day. Seeing as the posts originally construed that June 1st was the last day if it ended before maint yet a post came out several hours later stating it was the final day. Kind of late message after it was infact already over by the time the post went up. Gave hope that maybe it was still in progress until maybe somtime later in the AM or HM store reset/midnight some time zone.

Same I did more than 5 during the week/reward period and support denied me as well and I only have 1 char total 1 account total. Support sucks around here and they are usually unwilling to do anything outside of the 3 restoration token policy that's worthwhile. They likely typo'd the event period start/end on the first half and are basing the rewards off of some different factor likely that korea handed over to them and they terribly translated it wrong. Thing is like when stores mark the wrong price (on the store end not customer tampering) they should honor what was posted on the news, forums, social media, and what the CM said rather than whatever backend system that was tweaked differently to distribute the rewards based on some other factor other than what was stated you know make exceptions for their own screw ups. It's just lame its simple rewards and they act like people are trying to scam them out of so much when you make a ticket. People that spend way more than they should be on this dead game. It's mere principle though. So after I let it go, wasn't gonna rant but when I saw someone else also getting shafted yet having done the reward requirements for the dailies in a timely manner on or by June 1st it just shows how lackluster support is. It's like if you wanted to kill a game any faster you'd hire these guys to manage your support tickets. No customer service what so ever, very rude and unprofessional, not even concideration for anything or anyone it's just like oh the auto system works as intended move along. Well human error should be factored in as well when you advertise an event we don't see the backend system to know what it's actually gonna factor or use to determine reward distribution so we go off of what's posted by the CM and team.. If they were wrong they should admit fault and honor everyone within the period they claimed was the actual period. As well as if they don't specify cutoff times you know "pre vs post maintenance" on the final day as well. Regardless of how it's always been and such. They posted during/after the maintenance that the 1st was the final day yet are going back and trying to act like it was before then or even that it wasn't 5 daily challenges 1 time like the post said but instead 5 daily challenges 5 times basically almost everyday for the week to be eligible big switcheroo than the post. So @Green Stormif you're listening or taking any feedback please coach your support team on customer service etiquette. They act like uncaring, inhuman, auto scripted robots that pretty much deter you from ever wanting to speak with them unless you have some simple cut and dry restoration token request otherwise they are the least helpful game support team that ever existed. Easily a D- https://www.bladeandsoul.com/en-us/news/article/8278/cursed-legacy-releases-on-june-8 "Don’t miss the Skystealer Events, Week 2! Today is the last day to complete the Skystealer Events, Week 1 event, and it’s also the first day to start working on Week 2! Completing 6 Weekly Challenges before June 8 will net you a bundle of materials to upgrade your new gear." Above was posted not too long before the server came up on the 1st (post maintenance). Also per greenstorm above in this very thread "The rewards for Week 1 will be sent very soon after the event ends, which is today. Similarly, the rewards for Week 2 will follow a bit after the June 8 update." "Ends" not "ended" which makes it seem that one would've had all of the 1st to do so. So they are claiming June 1st was an overlap day you could finish the first weeks (last day eligible) and second weeks (first day eligible) all in that day. And if you are going to say well that was only for 12a-4a before server went down they posted this at like 7a nearing the end of maintenance conveying you could still have the 1st to complete 5/5. And I heard two things 5/5 once and 5/5 5 times one or the other might be the true reward, post says 1st is the last day which is usually meaning all day especially when they put it out at like 8am server time. Also says 5/5 once. Should compensate people that completed it within the period posted and if there are any cutoffs should state so like if its 5pm pacific on said day, etc.

This update is pretty bad. They just gave the KR content without adjusting anything for NA that would be beneficial to us. Serious inflation and gold sink in an already low income struggling last leg population server region. Whether intentional or not they are going to see a lot of players lose all hope on the western version. There have been several for 6+ years always saying its the end for bns but this update definitely made a strong case for that to finally come to light. If nothing is done at least to cator to the NA server economy.

In the Korean version you could still farm the 50 AP Centurion Achievement even after the dungeon was removed from the demonsbane system.

What's up with the guide and the loot table for stage 5+ for Nykarri Hall of Trials? Many are stating that you need at least stage 6+ to get an accessory drop (ring/earring). I wonder how much else is incorrect here? Most are trusting the guide since for AD/SUB/CSC within your patch notes they were incorrect as to the correct minimum floors or ranges in which several rewards were drop eligible yet the guide was correct in those 3 cases. It seems this time maybe the patch notes are correct and the guide is incorrect. Easy solution? Change it to say stage 6 and audit all/the rest of the loot drop common rewards tables and increment or move around as necessary.

So fusion stone farm seems to be gone, before FoE was a pretty good option if you did hard, easy was a low chance. Now it seems it has been removed aside from maybe doing your 3/3 on easy lol for the bonus reward. None dropped on 3 hard runs. Only 1 on easy 1 time, did a bunch of both difficulties today. Now seems all you have is stay out of top 10 on rankings and the daily in in the hongmoon store aside from like 1 here and there from a few dailies and weeklies.

Yeah at this point don't spend and stop caring on NA BNS. I mean whatever you need to enjoy the game, premium, go bare minimum as you can though. Go pure f2p would be best if you're gonna stick around and ride out what very little time NA BNS has left (in comparison to 6 years from the start in NA) and I'm sure at this point it's on a downward spiral to its demise at maybe the end of this year or next. Likely will be mass migrations exiting BNS in the coming months putting an irreversable nail in the coffin (slowly things like this have been happening but this will be a major turning point since it is not expected to likely address any of the issues mentioned above in previous posts in this thread) I'd recommend if sticking around just play casually or don't care either throw time and or money at it but don't stress this game is not going to listen to any community feedback to better the current state at all. I think they're just hoping enough people leave they can shut down the west server (from koreas standpoint). We're going to be getting the korean model without accounting for any of the game economy or low population. It does suck for competitive players that are more in line with like upper middle to middle class kind of players. They don't spend 10k/month maybe that much in a year, they're up there on the charts but not +20, they're funding the game to always be a step behind with bridging the gap between people who throw massive amounts of money at the game or people that just wait around for free handouts. They kind of get shafted the most in the end. Shafted as in they work hard to get where they're at only to not be able to enjoy it for very long as what they've obtained has either become a free handout, obsolete, or an endless cycle of neverending upgrades and pay with like no reason to even try other than to be decent today but irrelevant tomorrow. Play the game without a care in the world, spend little to nothing of your hard working money unless you don't mind knowing that nothing will change, no feedback will matter they'll only give you the illusion of such, and the game will likely cease to exist in the near future for the west anyways, everywhere else it'll continue to thrive though, IMO if you could put up with the ping and grab a KSSN somehow lol you'd be way better off joining the Korean server if you like bns so much. Especially if you're competitive too even! Especially at this point. Plus super active over there. It's way worth over there paying for their monthly sub and prem, battle pass and stuff. And you know you can actually earn a decent amount of gold without you know playing 16 hours a day or spending 10%-20% of your yearly income. They have paid stuff too yes and gold buying stuff too yes but they have a way more viable gold earn system than we do lol.

Hey all I'd like to extend an invite to anyone who is not already a member of The Lobby discord server. We're a fun bunch trying to get more people interacting and involved in the bns community. Everyone is very helpful there and it is a no drama zone. We host gold giveaway events from time to time. Join, have fun, be on your best behavior, post look for parties/raids, talk about the game, ask questions, help others, etc. https://discord.gg/kUPGHznDUA

Personally, I was thinking about it but then been playing for over 6 yrs same toon might as well just stick with it as I always have lol, its fun to me and I've mastered it pretty well enough for my own standards. Changing for a different approach, playstyle, dps increase, etc. I'm sure I won't be as happy once things settle in I'd probably end up missing my old class/spec. OG friendly classes/specs are nice.

Also just know waiting sometimes does pay off because some using the class change voucher now might later regret and be waiting for the next opening. They will end up nerfing some classes and if you're hopping just looking for free DPS then that's never a good thing. You have to really love and stick with the playstyle you love regardless of dmg cause they always will continue to adjust classes as new content rolls out. Plus they want to monitor changes and bandwagoning that's kind of why it's just a short/limited term, otherwise they'd just keep it year round right?

Don't worry I'm not trying to justify it 100% kind of just meeting halfway on their point of view. Welcome to korean mmorpg 😉 I don't have a problem with whatever they want to charge its like buy it or not or rant here right. It'd be good if they offered an alternative option like HMC, in game gold, event, etc.. Usually they have a "I want it now" pay to win or pay to progress/advance option 1st then later a free option for the patient ones. They do have to make revenue somehow with whoevers left.

Federally min wage in USA is 7.25 but like 90% of everywhere pays over $15/hr now through legislation passed by countless cities, counties, and states... If you basically live anywhere making 7.25 you probably aren't playing bns at this point. Almost nobody is making that low, even waiters lol they get compensated with tips, they cant pay them less than $3 unless they get over $100 in tips basically otherwise they are subject to their local laws for hourly which is likely $15/hr or more. Also like anything you live within your means if bns is trying to target middle class (which is probably majority of the player base anyways, post college graduates to mid career) or something than so be it lol not much you can do about it yea? I mean I'd like to say they charge too much for a sports car but then that's kind of like a dead argument. NC set the price if people buy it they do lol they'll adjust on feedback and sales numbers mostly. And $100 out of a paycheck even isn't much for a one time thing thats been over 6 years in the making that you don't have to even purchase. You can easily just level a new char instead and play the game even more, keep the game alive. Or spend that $100 on something, somewhere else, no ones forcing you to buy it.

Likely in a year (if games still around) it'll show up in some event free like everything else eventually does.

It's also too bad they don't allow HMC to be used for things such as this.

$100 isnt more than a single day of work though here unless you work like part time but even min wage gets you that much. Granted it'd be a fairly large chunk there of your daily pay but then its just a day right a one time charge. Most prob make that in 2-4 hours. It's like gas money with these crazy high gas prices right now with the war and all. Either way I'm all for saving money it'd be nice for it to be as cheap as possible if not offer an alternative for totally 100% f2p people like idk save up a lot of gold and be able to buy it from an npc ingame, give 2 options, 1 pay, 1 mixed (cause ppl buy gold from f9/other sources but it can also be f2p earned). The value of it will differ from player to player though. $100 isn't bad or terrible, could it be cheaper, yes! That's where the sales numbers will come to play and then good feedback on the forums such as this for the next time it comes around maybe they'll adjust it. If they did set an ingame gold option just imagine what they'd put it at 10k, 100k, 1M gold?

race change voucher is included

Justifying why it's worth it IMO along with various facts and points and asking you what you think it's worth or they should charge for such a system?

Of course but think about playing a single class since launch and grinding like heck and getting it into the top ranks with bis or close to bis gear and suddenly being told for $100 you can switch to another class.. Think about that for a second.. Totally worth concidering people have spent thousands or tens of thousands to get their character there over time amongst all of the hours ingame and grinding and raiding. Game didn't used to be a simple log on and kick out everything in 30 mins then afk for your spins and rewards you used to have to actually participate ingame a whole like like amost every other mmo out there. I don't think its meant for someone who just started and wants a class change. I think its aimed at endgame longtime longterm serious loyal players that overtime have stayed ontop of new and relevant content through pay or play. What price would you find reasonable then $75, $50, $25, $10, $5, free? Not everyone will agree on what it's worth but honestly I'm surprised they didn't try to ask for more lol if the game wasn't as dead as it is I'm sure they would've easily put a $250 figure up there and still had buyers. I've seen other games easily charge much much more for such a system. It's based on the high end and how difficult it is rather than the low end or someone who recently started or doesn't spend or play much at all. For that they have stuff like soul boost to give incentive to "class change". Not everyone has the time for alts and gearing those up and don't want to start over completely. It's just my 2 cents (no pun intended) people will agree/disagree that's fine. In my eyes though that's totally reasonable, a year of premium is like $125 and people never really argue too much about its value. I'd say it's not a great deal but it isn't bad either concidering what it entails. Could breathe new life into the game for players that feel stuck because of the time they invested into a main and got burned out or their class changed over the years with skill patches and nerfs, even playstyles have been changed and revamped but loyalists stick through because of not wanting to abandon that progress. Can lv a few alts and see if you like those playstyles better than bam switch on over. The voucher comes with everything you need including class change. I don't think at this point no matter what anyone says they'll likely not change the price, maybe next time around depending on sales. Also they don't seem to be implementing what korea did which was a "anti bandwagon class change" system. We seem to not have any current restrictions at the moment so if everyone wants to switch for the sake of going to something that'll give them a free huge dps increase they seem to be all for it.

8000 is totally reasonable compared to many other things they've pushed for anywhere from the same to more to even a fraction of that, the value you get in popping out 8000 coin to basically take a top tier high level geared char with lots of investment (time and/or money) is way worth it. Sure it's not as cheap as Koreas but they've gone and sold bundles of ethereal vials or fusions for around there that were not worth the price but no one complained they either bought it or didn't.

1. Either go back to the old days of trove when it was mostly exclusive cosmetics only and maybe gems. Rid the game of p2w and pay to progress (Unlikely since profits wouldn't be as high) OR 2. Revamp and overhaul trove extensively. The rng is terrible you can buy thousands upon thousands of keys and pretty much never see a 3 star crit outside of the laughable cosmetic one you can get on a 2 star... The loot table is primarily garbage either riddled with a ton of bottom tier obsolete rewards that no one spending a decent amount on would want vs the value of said items per key or top tier rewards that never land and have no appeal to anyone really. Put in useful rewards people will actually need and use instead of actual items like gems or shields or weapon mats. Give a man a fish vs teach a man to fish. You guys are attempting to lure people in with giving rather than just supplementing. Everyone basically needs the same mats to upgrade and that's all should be in trove aside from the old days kind of stuff like exclusive cosmetics. No big or whole items should even be in there, people should have to actually play the game rather than swipe for best in slot or catch up gear and items. Rather than like trying to make and bait LESS people to spend MORE money per participating player. Why not try to entice MORE people to spend and participate overall even if its LESS money per person but overall would earn more and have a healthier thriving playerbase. Of course trove only wouldn't change this and at this point its unlikely to winback a playerbase of years past without totally rebooting the game and making basically a new game entirely or sequel. Non gear related trove exclusive items or benefits could add more cosmetic, skins, name tags, display effects, could market a ton of visuals instead of things we can already farm make it how it used to be trove for things that don't get you ahead but satisfy the true endgame "cosmetics" trove is a horrible value to return rng casino for mats and isnt even a smart way to obtain the mats for what you have to put out. Visuals you can't put a price on they're as valuable as someone wants to roll the dice for. Putting mats and stuff is a scam especially mats that drop like candy in large quantities and big spenders either farm hard or use other means to obtain stuff than trove. The big spenders trove lures in usually are addicted to rng/gambling overall or are super lazy to farm or do research on other ways with less money they could've obtained the items in trove. Could've even bought gold in f9 and bought the mats straight out of f5 for cheaper even if you landed on what you wanted everytime. It's just a bad way to try and attempt to get ahead in bns theres no single prize worth the avg cost the player would have to put in with the exception of pure luck.

Actually game is for adults only (mostly) https://us.ncsoft.com/en-us/legal/ncsoft/user-agreement Persons must meet certain eligibility requirements to use our Services. In some cases, users must set up an Account to use our Services and meet other related requirements. Also, the Services are not available to – or designed for – Children, and Minor Users (and their Responsible Persons) are subject to special requirements and commitments described further in Section 1.1.2. We may impose additional, specific restrictions for particular Services at our discretion. 1.1.2 Age Requirements. The Services are only available to persons that are either: (i) at least 18 years old and competent to understand and accept these Terms for themselves; or (ii) minor users (“Minor Users”) whose use of the Services has been approved by a person with legal authority over them (e.g., a parent or legal guardian) that is at least 18 years old and competent to understand and accept these Terms for themselves (such person, a “Responsible Adult”). The following additional requirements apply to Responsible Adults and Minor Users: (a) the Minor User and their Responsible Adult must review this User Agreement together; (b) a Minor User’s Responsible Adult is liable for the Minor User’s acts when they Use the Services and is bound by this User Agreement; (c) Responsible Adults must supervise their Minor Users’ Use of the Services and inform them of the rules contained in this User Agreement. A Responsible Adult may not allow a Minor User who does not understand this User Agreement to access the Services. The Services are not intended for Children, and Responsible Adults are prohibited from allowing Children to access to the Services. “Child” means a person below the age of 13, provided that, in jurisdictions where individuals of a higher age receive special protections under the data privacy laws, the higher age will apply. “Children” has a correlative meaning. “Minor User” means a user that is not a Child but is under the age of 18. “Responsible Adult” means a person with legal authority over a Minor User and who has approved the use of the Services of the Minor User (e.g., a parent or legal guardian). You must be 18+ or supervised by someone 18+ that is your parent or legal guardian everytime while you play all of the time (by court order not just your older brother or sister or aunt or uncle unless they have legal guardianship or conservatorship over you) Children are prohibited regardless. Game has a mature rating and asks date of birth for a reason. If people are lying/bypassing they basically violated it and face account termination. But you know people never read terms yet think they know it all or draw false conclusions without doing so first. Everytime you log in and put in your pin and accept the terms you are basically agreeing and confirming to the above amongst many other things. It's why people get perma banned and get mad cause they got caught violating something that NC decided to enforce and they were the one picked on or chosen. Laws are there just whether or not they want to enforce em. Legal mumbo jumbos there to cover their arse incase some kid steals their parents credit card and racks up a fortune in microtransactions then the parent instead of accepting responsibility decides to try to go after the game company. Even major slot machine manf will make some pretty cartoony looking games that people think are trying to cator to kids but in reality they aren't they're just playing on nostalgia for adults, if kids somehow see it and grow up thinking that's cool or something well thats just an unintended side effect. Not saying theres some subliminal message or alterior motive to try to hook future generations of gamblers or anything.

"Works fine" but still isn't supported meaning if you were to have any sort of issue with the game on Windows 11 you would get the rhetoric verbatim that it is an unsupported OS. BnS UE4 is 64 bit only as is Windows 11. Not that there won't be plans to ever support it but they even acknowledge that it should be a thing its just a matter of when. It works perfectly for me as well, actually even better than Windows 10, but there have been several that have migrated from 10 to 11 and either have been unable to run the game or have had severe performance problems. Point is the company should be quick to officially support a new OS even other f2p kmmo big name companies don't take 6 months or more to implement official support on a new OS release unless their game is so old and doesn't get any regular updates or new content. It's not a big "to do" but its also not hard to add official support and compatability especially when the next version is apart of the same numbering build sceme 10.0.xxxxx.xxxx and are literally backward compatible with each other, hence why it runs just fine if not better in many cases.

Yea that's why I'm advocating for a one stop one list place to track issues that are current and ongoing being worked toward resolving rather than a lot of old and vague stuff some of which has already been resolved. Just makes it seem like things are being addressed and actually in process to fix and are unignored.

I know this is a little off topic but it's kind of a known issue as people have random experiences with the following: https://support.bladeandsoul.com/hc/en-us/articles/4406134640916-Updated-System-Requirements-for-Blade-and-Soul Any idea when Win 11 will be officially supported? I'm sure it's not on the high priority list of things to do since the current market share of win 10 as of last month is still around ~75% but on a sharp decline vs windows 11's ~8% on a sharp incline. Compared to January the month before windows 11's market share was only at ~2% so it's rising sharply since pretty much any new PC is going to come preinstalled with it at this point. As time goes on though people will migrate and it's been released to public since early Oct last year. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide Seeing that this is the next gen OS and support for win 10 will end ~2025

@Green StormWhats the point of this page? It shows issues from long ago that have since been resolved. Wouldn't it be good to keep some master list somewhere and consolidate it rather than copy+paste all over the place bugs new and old? Keep a list of what's currently relevant and all like how you've been doing with maintenance but maybe in some master location for all to see that's easy enough to access without digging around. https://support.bladeandsoul.com/hc/en-us/articles/360029319272