A real Drawn out game

[JanetDewitt]

OK, so i did my best to give this game a fair shot at the game-play, mechanics, economy and mostly character progression.

Being a Player that is mostly F2P, I find that most items that took an eternity to get, are not completely worthless, Items that were relevant 3 and 5 updates prior to the new ones.

So , what is really going on here? In my own perspective, perhaps the Devs are trying to keep players as long as possible, I gotta be honest, The fact the many players out there

either boast of being a veteran player , which is fine, But playing a game for OVER 5 YEARS! Seriously? Is it really that far drawn out before I can really start to see progress?

I mean as character progression anyway, Gearing is another thing that really I mean really takes up Tons of time, I just don't understand how many would spend that much time to achieve so

little in such a Large period. Yes, I have heard time and time again, " Well- if you spend X amount of dollars you can get this..", Ok - let's be honest here.

Understandably, you spend money on things to have and to enjoy, I get it. But, to just Outright spend money so that you can make the progression easier is just downright stupidity.

 

The economy in this game is ridiculous! Items that are FAR overpriced for an item that only has a reasonable amount to begin with.

Finally the game play, It's good , im not gonna lie , It's really good. However - There are some items that I need and bosses are either Way too overpowered even in a raid.

Those bosses Are ridiculously overpowered, So is that gonna entice anyone like me, the short answer no. The Long answer - Anyone who stupid enough to even do this type of thing with

sub-par gear has no brain cells and what is the use of being carried thru something like that? 

OK , so why am I really here? Honestly - just waiting for other mmo's to finally come out and then I can cut my losses and never look back.

 

[KzE]

4 hours ago, JanetDewitt said:

So , what is really going on here?

F10 promotion.

[ImoutoMaster]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb JanetDewitt:

Finally the game play, It's good , im not gonna lie , It's really good.

PVE wise yes. PVP wise still yes. Balance wise no.

vor 4 Stunden schrieb JanetDewitt:

However - There are some items that I need and bosses are either Way too overpowered even in a raid.

Bosses overpowered ? Maybe if you play alone or if you dont know mechs. If you know mechs its litterly impossible to die since even the strongest boss is barely doing like 30% dmg per hit and you heal way more than that in a sec.

vor 4 Stunden schrieb JanetDewitt:

Those bosses Are ridiculously overpowered, So is that gonna entice anyone like me, the short answer no.

Well sorry but i cant understand your point here. You are probably totaly undergeared for the content you are trying to run. Of course this will lead in "op enemys" to you but thats not the games fault then.

vor 4 Stunden schrieb JanetDewitt:

The Long answer - Anyone who stupid enough to even do this type of thing with

sub-par gear has no brain cells and what is the use of being carried thru something like that? 

You dont need alot of gear and since i just earned 3K in 2 days i can tell its possible to get enough gear for ~ 1.4 Million stable dmg (which is enough for everything in this game currently) in mere 2 weeks. Avergage Player will probably take like 3 months thou cause they are missing the experience.

vor 4 Stunden schrieb JanetDewitt:

OK , so why am I really here? Honestly - just waiting for other mmo's to finally come out and then I can cut my losses and never look back.

Thats why most of us are here there are simply no alternatives.

[Noface007]

The game has no content, that's why you're running dungeons hundreds of times and many very expensive upgrades are literally insignificant. They know it doesn't have any content and it likely never will seeing as how this dumpster fire is bleeding money despite them selling you gambling pixels. 

 

As for alternatives to this type of combat, Black Desert and TERA are the only real action combat alternatives.

[KzE]

8 minutes ago, ImoutoMaster said:

Avergage Player will probably take like 3 months thou cause they are missing the experience.

And this is why ppl quit after 2 weeks.

[ImoutoMaster]

vor 5 Stunden schrieb Noface007:

As for alternatives to this type of combat, Black Desert and TERA are the only real action combat alternatives. 

Black desert dosent have endgame its litterly grinding mobs 24/7 even more boring than Blade and soul. Tera does have dungeons etc. but if you are not playing Healer alot of times its gonna be hard to get a decent group also i think Tera is freaking complicated i tryed it and played till max lvl but all thoose items just confused me while i never had such a problem in BNS. 

 

In terms of PVP: Black desert depends on gear there is no gamemode you can play without gear so pretty much pay to win. Tera the same i think or atleast i dont know any gamemode other than this baby PVP Mode where you can actully PVP without gear of course you are free to tell me otherwise.

 

I dont enjoy Pay to win thats one of the reasons i am still in Blade and soul for the PVP. For PVE i am waiting for Blue Protocol.

[KzE]

8 minutes ago, ImoutoMaster said:

Black desert dosent have endgame its litterly grinding mobs 24/7 even more boring than Blade and soul. Tera does have dungeons etc. but if you are not playing Healer alot of times its gonna be hard to get a decent group also i think Tera is freaking complicated i tryed it and played till max lvl but all thoose items just confused me while i never had such a problem in BNS. 

 

In terms of PVP: Black desert depends on gear there is no gamemode you can play without gear so pretty much pay to win. Tera the same i think or atleast i dont know any gamemode other than this baby PVP Mode where you can actully PVP without gear of course you are free to tell me otherwise.

 

I dont enjoy Pay to win thats one of the reasons i am still in Blade and soul for the PVP. For PVE i am waiting for Blue Protocol.

BDO and BnS have the same endgame, whats the gear grind. Tera endgame was more challenging, but they totally ruined the whole game with the lvl70 patch.

PvP wise i liked Tera, especially the Corsairs stronghold. There are other gear eqalized PvP modes too. BDO PvP is a bad joke, and BnS is like the old Unreal Tournament instagib match... 1 mistake and dead.

 

So PvE side BDO is better solved, but more boring, than BnS. PvP wise Tera was the best, but imho its dead now.

[Arohk]

11 hours ago, JanetDewitt said:

Those bosses Are ridiculously overpowered, So is that gonna entice anyone like me, the short answer no. The Long answer - Anyone who stupid enough to even do this type of thing with

No, they are not, they are challenging, but most players are too bad at the game or too lazy to learn mechanics.

But once you outgear them they become faceroll easy.

[ImoutoMaster]

vor 17 Stunden schrieb KzE:

BDO and BnS have the same endgame, whats the gear grind.

Sure but what kind of endgame gear grind ? My experience showed its nearly only getting into a sepcific area and killing mobs sometimes killing a world boss
 but thats pretty much it while in BNS we have dungeons, Raids which is for most player way more interesti

vor 17 Stunden schrieb KzE:

BDO PvP is a bad joke,

Agree.

vor 17 Stunden schrieb KzE:

and BnS is like the old Unreal Tournament instagib match... 1 mistake and dead.

Disagree. You can do mistakes we dont have world class players in this game anymore you just have to know when to evade or if you play Destroyer third spec how to pve.

vor 17 Stunden schrieb KzE:

So PvE side BDO is better solved, but more boring, than BnS.

What is the purpose of playing a game ? Its having fun and since you said it urselfe BDO is more boring its less of a game and PVE is worse not better.

[Ghennkins]

Its a low effort cash grab and has never pretended to be anything else. They could have done a lot to plug the holes on this ship, but it seems like KR just says 'No its working as intended' which is their way of saying 'its working to make us $$' while ignoring the fact that that mentality drives players away.

 

End game isn't fun for a new player. The grind for a new player for mid tier gear is too drawn out and frankly insane. Its purposely like this to strong arm a credit card swipe. Do you want to spend 4 months doing the Bummer Nights Dream daily or spend $40?

 

Do you want to grind stupid amounts of gold for premo stones and the mountains of transformation stones and other junk on top of evo gold cost over the course of 8 months? Or buy gold from F10? They are not running a video game. They don't treat it like a video game. They don't treat us like gamers. It is run like a casino business and they prey solely on the little old lady gambling away all her life savings. If that isn't you, BnS wasn't intended for you to begin with.

 

 

 

[KzE]

3 hours ago, ImoutoMaster said:

Sure but what kind of endgame gear grind ? My experience showed its nearly only getting into a sepcific area and killing mobs sometimes killing a world boss
 but thats pretty much it while in BNS we have dungeons, Raids which is for most player way more interesti

BDO : You kill bosses for gear, you grind world for mats.

BNS : You kill bosses for gear, you grind solo (CB, 20f, TA, etc for mats).

With the current amount of players, group play will be a problematic thing. Making a raid static is harder now, that beating a raid. Dungeons are interesting in the first 10 runs, after that ppl ask for stupid gear just to speedrun it. Imho the solo grind would be a better option.

 

3 hours ago, ImoutoMaster said:

Disagree. You can do mistakes we dont have world class players in this game anymore you just have to know when to evade or if you play Destroyer third spec how to pve.

For a veteran yes. For others, not really. Make a new char, apply into 6v6. You will be a mouseclick.

 

3 hours ago, ImoutoMaster said:

What is the purpose of playing a game ? Its having fun and since you said it urselfe BDO is more boring its less of a game and PVE is worse not better.

Both games are boring. But again, PVE is solved better in in BDO. Catching up is easier and jump in bar is lower for endgame content.

[ImoutoMaster]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb KzE:

For a veteran yes. For others, not really. Make a new char, apply into 6v6. You will be a mouseclick.

Of course 6v6 is pay to win af but even with gear which cost you like 20K or more gold you have no chance thats why i dont like to count 6v6 when i talk about PVP and i always forget most people here are not interested in skill based PVP. Of course you are right in 6v6 but 1v1 and 3v3 is different.

 

The Skill existing in this game decreased alot since awakening update and every third spec reduced it even further. For example there is a certain Destroyer that was like 1600 if he was lucky. Now he is one of the top players due to third spec.

vor 1 Stunde schrieb KzE:

Both games are boring. But again, PVE is solved better in in BDO. Catching up is easier and jump in bar is lower for endgame content.

Well its always the personell taste. I just dislike not being able to play do dungeons in a pve game.

[KzE]

47 minutes ago, ImoutoMaster said:

Of course 6v6 is pay to win af but even with gear which cost you like 20K or more gold you have no chance thats why i dont like to count 6v6 when i talk about PVP and i always forget most people here are not interested in skill based PVP. Of course you are right in 6v6 but 1v1 and 3v3 is different.

 

The Skill existing in this game decreased alot since awakening update and every third spec reduced it even further. For example there is a certain Destroyer that was like 1600 if he was lucky. Now he is one of the top players due to third spec.

I disliked 3v3, when i always had a bot or an AFK in my team. 1v1 was different, but there were always some balancing issues. Ofc you can compensate with skill, but investing time now to learn pvp in a semi dead game is a really questinable decision.

 

47 minutes ago, ImoutoMaster said:

Well its always the personell taste. I just dislike not being able to play do dungeons in a pve game.

Ofc its is. I like the dungeons, but in games like ffxiv. Here they are like a 100m sprint race. The gear progression speed is not in sync with content release. We get content faster, than gear upgrades, and dungeons are dumbed down before you reach it. Devs change things left and right without a plan, ppl cant even plan their progress. Waiting is a solution, but it kills the challenge in the game. The game could be fixed... but we know, it wont be...

Edited March 18, 2020 by KzE

[Killifishy]

On 3/17/2020 at 8:31 AM, ImoutoMaster said:

Black desert dosent have endgame its litterly grinding mobs 24/7 even more boring than Blade and soul. Tera does have dungeons etc. but if you are not playing Healer alot of times its gonna be hard to get a decent group also i think Tera is freaking complicated i tryed it and played till max lvl but all thoose items just confused me while i never had such a problem in BNS. 

 

In terms of PVP: Black desert depends on gear there is no gamemode you can play without gear so pretty much pay to win. Tera the same i think or atleast i dont know any gamemode other than this baby PVP Mode where you can actully PVP without gear of course you are free to tell me otherwise.

 

I dont enjoy Pay to win thats one of the reasons i am still in Blade and soul for the PVP. For PVE i am waiting for Blue Protocol.

Tera has 3 game modes that have equalized gear (Gridrion, Corsairs Stronghold, and then the Kumas you mentioned) and only one two that are non-equalized outside of the weekly server wide pvp event.
 

As for being complicated, yes there is a lot more going on and it takes a little bit of time investment to figure everything out, but most everything is easy to find. All of the  min/maxing of stats that you need, which is slightly more in depth than "just get as much of everything as you can," skill rotation/priority orders, and all sorts of other guides are readily available to players, either through the player made essentialmana website or the class discords; which are similar to the BNS Academy Discord.

The game is honestly more grind to win than pay to win. There are a few boxes that hit the store occasionally with mats in them...but even the pvp is just grind till you get enough mats and pray RNG is on your side upgrading. (The low RNG factor in BNS gearing is the main reason I play the game...)

Also...only tanks are lacking in Tera and if anything, there are too may healers xD
For a time, everyone and their dog had a healer alt because the gear req. to farm was so much lower.

Edited March 18, 2020 by Killiefish