SSD's 850 vs 970

[wefhqweig]

Can anyone who's used both share whether there was a noticeable different in load and launch times for B&S? And is there a worthwhile difference between say the standard 970 vs Pro or Plus?

Edited January 29, 2020 by wefhqweig

[Belido]

when I tried out, there been very little difference within BnS dungeon loading times:

 

 

[FeralStripes]

1 hour ago, wefhqweig said:

Can anyone who's used both share whether there was a noticeable different in load and launch times for B&S? And is there a worthwhile difference between say the standard 970 vs Pro or Plus?

I upgraded from a 512GB Samsung 960 Pro M.2 NVMe SSD to a 1TB Samsung 970 Pro M.2 NVMe SSD, B&S loads F8 dungeons about 5-7 seconds faster. At some point you come to a point of diminishing returns. If you are planning on buying a new SSD & your motherboard supports M.2- I suggest looking @ the Samsung 970 Evo Plus , the speeds are insane & offers performance close to the 970 Pro.

https://imgur.com/4HsMlIP

Edited January 29, 2020 by FeralStripes
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[SayhaSeer]

On 29/01/2020 at 12:02 AM, wefhqweig said:

Can anyone who's used both share whether there was a noticeable different in load and launch times for B&S? And is there a worthwhile difference between say the standard 970 vs Pro or Plus?

970 PRO/EVO has 64 Layers of V-NAND
970 EVO PLUS has 96 Layers of V-NAND

970 PRO PLUS (As far as I know is not released - correct me if I am wrong)

If you're planning on buying SSD just for sake of loading screens in Blade & Soul or Games in General then even buying SSD such as Samsung 850 would load almost the same speed as 970. 850 Pre-Owned is also £70+ cheaper then 970 Evo and much more then Pro, (Depending on Capacity too of course) If you think you will be doing some heavy/moderate file transferring in a long run then buying 970 EVO is the best option, as it would win against 850 EVO by a huge mile, If you think you will be doing heavy Video Editing and Video Rendering then buying 970 Pro is a better option, but even then the 970 EVO would perform almost as good.

 

I personally use; 

1. Samsung 850 EVO - 120gb - Purely for Windows Only (Rest of the Folders are location changed to HDD)
2. Samsung 970 EVO - 500gb - For Games (Was using 850 EVO for Blade and Soul before, quite a while ago, No difference/barely noticeable in loading speed on 970 EVO compared to 850 EVO) So if your buying just for Blade & Soul or games in general then 850 is more then enough to give you what you need, 850 vs 970 Pro/Evo in Windows/program Loading speed is around 1-2 seconds, (For the price point - Not worth). Where it shines the most is Huge File Transfers, any 2.M NVME would destroy older generation SSD when it comes to huge file transferring/rendering.
3. Samsung 970 PRO - 1TB - For Photoshop/Sony Vegas/After Effects/FL Studio (970 Pro vs 850 EVO in Blade and Soul loading = barely any difference, well maybe (questionably)  4 seconds faster) Pre-Owned 850 SSD you can get right now go for about £15+ on ebay, (120/250gb~) as older models are out of production. So £15+ vs my £250+ for 4 +- seconds difference? - Not worth.
4. HDD WD Blue 7200 RPM - 6TB - For Storage

 

on paper Larger SSDs are faster then smaller SSDs because of channels in parallel, but in real world performance not so much, or at least not really worth the price difference for performance, of course there are games out there with excellent optimisation and good loading performance optimisation that even 970 EVO/PRO does really destroy 850 in Loading, but it's quite rare and Blade and Soul definitely doesn't do a good job on that.

 

I would personally recommend you to get 970 EVO by looking at a bigger picture and not just for Game loading speeds but more in a long run, I would only recommend 850 if your budget is low and your not doing any moderate/heavy transferring, If your budget is fine to get 970 EVO, go for it, other then that 850 EVO is excellent for windows and moderate file transferring.

 

 

Edited January 30, 2020 by SayhaSeer

[Dominator]

22 hours ago, wefhqweig said:

Can anyone who's used both share whether there was a noticeable different in load and launch times for B&S? And is there a worthwhile difference between say the standard 970 vs Pro or Plus?

hi man, i recommend to take 860 not 850 but 860, and if you take for mmo/bns, will not be improve in speed/loading, some time can be not so fast like simple sata, i will tell you why, game have many  small files and m2 and sata have same speed on small files, so bns is not stable all time dif loading screen, if you work/rander/ use big filess yes, but for game not, regular solo games is like 1-4s, mmo will have same 1-2 some time m2 can load slower

 

i have 1 hyperx savage C:  OS + 1 game, D samsung evo 860 500gb games, E samsung 860 500gb trash file/move/...

Edited January 29, 2020 by Dominator

[SayhaSeer]

6 hours ago, Dominator said:

hi man, i recommend to take 860 not 850 but 860, and if you take for mmo/bns, will not be improve in speed/loading, some time can be not so fast like simple sata, i will tell you why, game have many  small files and m2 and sata have same speed on small files, so bns is not stable all time dif loading screen, if you work/rander/ use big filess yes, but for game not, regular solo games is like 1-4s, mmo will have same 1-2 some time m2 can load slower

 

i have 1 hyperx savage C:  OS + 1 game, D samsung evo 860 500gb games, E samsung 860 500gb trash file/move/...

850 EVO - Pre-Owned costs £10-15 For (250GB) on ebay. 

860 EVO - Pre-Owned Costs £40-60 for (250GB) on ebay.

 

Samsung 850 EVO:

• Maximum read speed: 540 MB / s
• Maximum write speed: 520 MB / s

Samsung 860 EVO:

• Maximum read speed: 550 MB / s
• Maximum write speed: 520 MB / s

The 860 was just a newer iteration of the 830/840/850 line.

So 860 vs 850 clear winner is 850.
 

 

[wefhqweig]

Thanks for the replies all. I'm already using the 850 Evo and I could get a 250gb 970 Plus for $70usd or a 512gb 970 Pro for $110. Since I'd just be upgrading, it does seem kinda steep for little difference if any. 4 seconds consistently shaved off would be nice, but I don't think I'd bother spending unless it saved a bit more time.

[Dominator]

On 30.01.2020 at 7:43 AM, SayhaSeer said:

850 EVO - Pre-Owned costs £10-15 For (250GB) on ebay. 

860 EVO - Pre-Owned Costs £40-60 for (250GB) on ebay.

 

Samsung 850 EVO:

• Maximum read speed: 540 MB / s
• Maximum write speed: 520 MB / s

Samsung 860 EVO:

• Maximum read speed: 550 MB / s
• Maximum write speed: 520 MB / s

The 860 was just a newer iteration of the 830/840/850 line.

So 860 vs 850 clear winner is 850.
 

 

you look only at cost and speed but
500gb 850 vs 500gb 860 is big difference
5 Years or 150TBW Limited Warranty

5 Years or 300 TBW Limited Warranty

(300TBW so will be for more years before ssd die) 860 Evo WIN

 

Memory Speed Samsung 32 layer 3D V-NAND Samsung 512 MB LPDDR3 SDRAM

Memory Speed Samsung 64 layer 3D V-NAND Samsung 512 MB LPDDR4

860 Evo DDR4 and 64 layer - so again WIN

 

i have friends with 850 and 860 , 860 is more responsive then 850

[Dominator]

On 30.01.2020 at 9:56 PM, wefhqweig said:

Thanks for the replies all. I'm already using the 850 Evo and I could get a 250gb 970 Plus for $70usd or a 512gb 970 Pro for $110. Since I'd just be upgrading, it does seem kinda steep for little difference if any. 4 seconds consistently shaved off would be nice, but I don't think I'd bother spending unless it saved a bit more time.

860 Evo 500gb cost 80$ some time you can get with better discount

[SayhaSeer]

22 hours ago, Dominator said:

you look only at cost and speed

That's what you should always look when it comes to computer hardware, Performance per dollar

 

22 hours ago, Dominator said:

500gb 850 vs 500gb 860 is big difference

I agree, big difference in price.

 

22 hours ago, Dominator said:

5 Years or 150TBW Limited Warranty

5 Years or 300 TBW Limited Warranty

(300TBW so will be for more years before ssd die) 860 Evo WIN

To write those 150 TBW of 850 EVO you would need to write 380 GB every single day for over 365 days to reach 850 EVO 150 TBW, In other words, to fill two-thirds of the SSD with new data every day). In a consumer environment, this is highly unlikely.
For normal users that do moderate reads and writes and keeps PC running 12 hours a day, which equates approximately to a 40 GB daily read/write workload over a ten-year period, Even if one raises this amount up to 80+/- GB. it means that you would have to write for more than 5 years until the 150 TBW limit was reached, 860 is a very incremental improvement over the 850 and in the real world you will never notice a difference. someone who does or plans on doing big reads and writes would never choose neither 850 nor 860. like I said before, The 860 was just a newer iteration of the 830/840/850 line, you would ONLY ever buy 860 if you find it cheaper then 850. 

 

22 hours ago, Dominator said:

Memory Speed Samsung 32 layer 3D V-NAND Samsung 512 MB LPDDR3 SDRAM

Memory Speed Samsung 64 layer 3D V-NAND Samsung 512 MB LPDDR4

860 Evo DDR4 and 64 layer - so again WIN

I'll repeat what I said above this, 860 is a very incremental improvement over the 850 and in the real world you will never, never, NEVER EVER notice a difference.

 

TDLR: so reasoning you gave why 860 is better then 850 and why he or anyone should choose 860 over 850 is remarkably dumb, no offence of course, few more years later, New SSDs comes out and 970 EVO/PRO will cost cents.

TDLR: You would ONLY ever buy 860 if you find 860 cheaper then 850.

TDLR: In a Long run 970 EVO is the best choice to buy in 2020 for day to day uses, 850 for Windows.

 

Edited February 1, 2020 by SayhaSeer

[wefhqweig]

On 1/28/2020 at 7:46 PM, Belido said:

when I tried out, there been very little difference within BnS dungeon loading times:

 

 

 

On 1/28/2020 at 7:53 PM, FeralStripes said:

I upgraded from a 512GB Samsung 960 Pro M.2 NVMe SSD to a 1TB Samsung 970 Pro M.2 NVMe SSD, B&S loads F8 dungeons about 5-7 seconds faster. At some point you come to a point of diminishing returns. If you are planning on buying a new SSD & your motherboard supports M.2- I suggest looking @ the Samsung 970 Evo Plus , the speeds are insane & offers performance close to the 970 Pro.

https://imgur.com/4HsMlIP

 

On 1/29/2020 at 5:15 PM, SayhaSeer said:

970 PRO/EVO has 64 Layers of V-NAND
970 EVO PLUS has 96 Layers of V-NAND

970 PRO PLUS (As far as I know is not released - correct me if I am wrong)

If you're planning on buying SSD just for sake of loading screens in Blade & Soul or Games in General then even buying SSD such as Samsung 850 would load almost the same speed as 970. 850 Pre-Owned is also £70+ cheaper then 970 Evo and much more then Pro, (Depending on Capacity too of course) If you think you will be doing some heavy/moderate file transferring in a long run then buying 970 EVO is the best option, as it would win against 850 EVO by a huge mile, If you think you will be doing heavy Video Editing and Video Rendering then buying 970 Pro is a better option, but even then the 970 EVO would perform almost as good.

 

I personally use; 

1. Samsung 850 EVO - 120gb - Purely for Windows Only (Rest of the Folders are location changed to HDD)
2. Samsung 970 EVO - 500gb - For Games (Was using 850 EVO for Blade and Soul before, quite a while ago, No difference/barely noticeable in loading speed on 970 EVO compared to 850 EVO) So if your buying just for Blade & Soul or games in general then 850 is more then enough to give you what you need, 850 vs 970 Pro/Evo in Windows/program Loading speed is around 1-2 seconds, (For the price point - Not worth). Where it shines the most is Huge File Transfers, any 2.M NVME would destroy older generation SSD when it comes to huge file transferring/rendering.
3. Samsung 970 PRO - 1TB - For Photoshop/Sony Vegas/After Effects/FL Studio (970 Pro vs 850 EVO in Blade and Soul loading = barely any difference, well maybe (questionably)  4 seconds faster) Pre-Owned 850 SSD you can get right now go for about £15+ on ebay, (120/250gb~) as older models are out of production. So £15+ vs my £250+ for 4 +- seconds difference? - Not worth.
4. HDD WD Blue 7200 RPM - 6TB - For Storage

 

on paper Larger SSDs are faster then smaller SSDs because of channels in parallel, but in real world performance not so much, or at least not really worth the price difference for performance, of course there are games out there with excellent optimisation and good loading performance optimisation that even 970 EVO/PRO does really destroy 850 in Loading, but it's quite rare and Blade and Soul definitely doesn't do a good job on that.

 

One more thing, so the difference between the 850, 970 and 970 Pro seems to be a few seconds each at most. But what about launching the game? Currently it takes me maybe 1.5 minutes to get from Start Game to the PIN screen with the 850 EVO in 64bit and maybe 20 seconds in 32 bit.

Also I have the ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 motherboard.

[SayhaSeer]

15 hours ago, wefhqweig said:

 

 

One more thing, so the difference between the 850, 970 and 970 Pro seems to be a few seconds each at most. But what about launching the game? Currently it takes me maybe 1.5 minutes to get from Start Game to the PIN screen with the 850 EVO in 64bit and maybe 20 seconds in 32 bit.

Also I have the ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 motherboard.

Just tested it for you, the stopwatch was started once BNS Logo appeared on Desktop and Stopped on PIN Screen

 

Samsung 970 PRO NVMe M.2 - 1 TB 

 

64-Bit
1st Try (01:19.23) m/s
2nd Try (01:16.78) m/s
3rd Try (01:15.15) m/s
4th Try (01:15.06) m/s
5th Try (01:15.04) m/s

32-Bit
1st Try (00:28.13) s
2nd Try (00:26.08) s
3rd Try (00:26.06) s
4th Try (00:26.02) s
5th Try (00:26.34) s

Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 - 500GB

 

64-Bit
1st Try (01:21.06) m/s
2nd Try (01:17.26) m/s
3rd Try (01:18.24) m/s
4th Try (01:18.27) m/s
5th Try (01:18.17) m/s

32-Bit
1st Try (00:31.04) s
2nd Try (00:28.11) s
3rd Try (00:28.06) s
4th Try (00:27.96) s
5th Try (00:28.01) s

The only thing I've noticed is when switching from 32-Bit to 64-Bit the first start up takes few second longer, same happens from 64-bit to 32-bit
the test was done with many other programs running in the background, maybe testing Blade and Soul on a clean boot would improve on loading speed tiny bit or none, but then I don't think anyone is just dedicated his/hers computer to running Blade and Soul only, I wanted to test on 850 EVO but sadly I do not have enough space to transfer my blade and soul on it.

My Setup is:

 

Ryzen 7 3800x
RX 5700 XT - Sapphire Nitro+
x470 Gaming Plus
Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) 3600 MHz DDR4
Samsung 850/970 EVO/PRO, HDD WD Blue.

[wefhqweig]

8 hours ago, SayhaSeer said:

Just tested it for you, the stopwatch was started once BNS Logo appeared on Desktop and Stopped on PIN Screen

 

Samsung 970 PRO NVMe M.2 - 1 TB 

 

64-Bit
1st Try (01:19.23) m/s
2nd Try (01:16.78) m/s
3rd Try (01:15.15) m/s
4th Try (01:15.06) m/s
5th Try (01:15.04) m/s

32-Bit
1st Try (00:28.13) s
2nd Try (00:26.08) s
3rd Try (00:26.06) s
4th Try (00:26.02) s
5th Try (00:26.34) s

Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 - 500GB

 

64-Bit
1st Try (01:21.06) m/s
2nd Try (01:17.26) m/s
3rd Try (01:18.24) m/s
4th Try (01:18.27) m/s
5th Try (01:18.17) m/s

32-Bit
1st Try (00:31.04) s
2nd Try (00:28.11) s
3rd Try (00:28.06) s
4th Try (00:27.96) s
5th Try (00:28.01) s

The only thing I've noticed is when switching from 32-Bit to 64-Bit the first start up takes few second longer, same happens from 64-bit to 32-bit
the test was done with many other programs running in the background, maybe testing Blade and Soul on a clean boot would improve on loading speed tiny bit or none, but then I don't think anyone is just dedicated his/hers computer to running Blade and Soul only, I wanted to test on 850 EVO but sadly I do not have enough space to transfer my blade and soul on it.

My Setup is:

 

Ryzen 7 3800x
RX 5700 XT - Sapphire Nitro+
x470 Gaming Plus
Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) 3600 MHz DDR4
Samsung 850/970 EVO/PRO, HDD WD Blue.

I don't mean from the B&S Logo, I mean from the time you click the Start Game button from the NC2 Launcher or BnS Buddy Launcher to the pin screen. 
Edit: Well with those times I think it was timed from where I meant. Just saying from when the logo appears is different for me. It takes a while for it to show.

Edited February 26, 2020 by wefhqweig

[SayhaSeer]

17 hours ago, wefhqweig said:

from the time you click the Start Game button from the NC2 Launcher

Done with 970 EVO because that's where I keep the game, Lazy to transfer between SSDs again. 

 

64-bit

• 1st Try - (01:22.14)
• 2nd Try - (01:21.51)

32-bit

• 1st Try - (00:33.13)
• 2nd Try - (00:32.76)

 

Edited February 26, 2020 by SayhaSeer