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[OneYouHate]

once more just for  you.

 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pay-to-win

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Just now, OneYouHate said:

once more just for  you.

 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pay-to-win

Once more, you don't understand simple english " buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else "

[OneYouHate]

key word----> being at a faster rate <-------

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2 minutes ago, OneYouHate said:

key word----> being at a faster rate <-------

It's not about a single word, it's about the sentence, learn English. "keyword" and you quote 5 words, *cricket* it.

[OneYouHate]

it's about reading the whole sentence, increased xp, gold from mobs, access to wardrobe use of mail box, increased amount of listing on the broker etc etc <--- some of the things you will not even receive without paying. i.e mailbox, gold from drops, 3rd character slot on an account... 

 

You're definitely more entertaining  than faction chat 

key·word

ˈkēˌwərd/

noun

 

1. a word or concept of great significance

 

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Just now, OneYouHate said:

it's about reading the whole sentence, increased xp, gold from mobs, access to wardrobe use of mail box, increased amount of listing on the broker etc etc <--- some of the things you will not even receive without paying. i.e mailbox, gold from drops, 3rd character slot on an account... 

You're not mentioning anything to do with what YOU quoted as pay to win. How does any of this make you stronger then people who don't pay for premium? Leveling 10% faster doesn't make them stronger, as you can both hit cap. Gold doesn't give you any advantage as people always have different amount of gold. Wardrobe is convenience and again no advantage, everything you mentioned seems more convenience then anything. You've got the wrong definition of pay to win, learn what it actually means.

[OneYouHate]

Pay to Win is a Quality of LIFE  aspect in a free to play MMO.  Yay you finally grasped the needed comprehension for the statement. 10/10 welcome to the correct side of the discussion. :)

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Just now, OneYouHate said:

Pay to Win is a Quality of LIFE  aspect in a free to play MMO.  Yay you finally grasped the needed comprehension for the statement. 10/10 welcome to the correct side of the discussion. :)

It's not though, you're wrong.

[OneYouHate]

Okay i'll bite long as we keep the discussion the same way it has been going mods shouldn't intervene? explain to me how having Premium perks and all your characters on that account  NOT a QOL aspect in a free to play MMO let's try and keep it to just BnS though.  Keeping in mind you can purchase although it being in limited amounts on a daily basis some of the crafting items needed at end game. 

 

Time for a real discussion >:)

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2 minutes ago, OneYouHate said:

Okay i'll bite long as we keep the discussion the same way it has been going mods shouldn't intervene? explain to me how having Premium perks and all your characters on that account  NOT a QOL aspect in a free to play MMO let's try and keep it to just BnS though.  Keeping in mind you can purchase although it being in limited amounts on a daily basis some of the crafting items needed at end game. 

 

Time for a real discussion >:)

QOL does not equate to pay to win. Pay for convenience? Sure. Pay to win is paying to win at the game, as in getting a gun on CoD that one shots people no matter what, when it's only available for real money

[OneYouHate]

NO , that is different and that is how the term pay to win is getting such a wonky bad reputation. games like COD are First Person Shooters, that you paid money to just play the game.. that is Pay to Play and has a totally different marketing system with a lot less QOL aspects and a lot more Pay to Win aspects.

 

Blade and Soul is a Free to Play MMO, completely different genre of game, and uses a completely different marketing system to generate revenue.  Whereas the game is developed to be made available to anyone with out cash up front and has has a real money cash mall with QOL features. For real money you can level, make gold, acquire items at a faster pace, and in return you can gain an edge for obtaining your items and character completion sooner then some of the other member's in the game. it's a good model. 

 

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1 minute ago, OneYouHate said:

NO , that is different and that is how the term pay to win is getting such a wonky bad reputation. games like COD are First Person Shooters, that you paid money to just play the game.. that is Pay to Play and has a totally different marketing system with a lot less QOL aspects and a lot more Pay to Win aspects.

 

Blade and Soul is a Free to Play MMO, completely different genre of game, and uses a completely different marketing system to generate revenue.  Whereas the game is developed to be made available to anyone with out cash up front and has has a real money cash mall with QOL features. For real money you can level, make gold, acquire items at a faster pace, and in return you can gain an edge for obtaining your items and character completion sooner then some of the other member's in the game. it's a good model. 

 

Are you trolling me? Pay to play means exactly that, as in World of Warcraft, you pay to be able to play it. I only used CoD as a vague example

[OneYouHate]

WOW is a subscription based MMO same as FFXIV same genre but they have pay to play models, still yet different than a free to play model. 

 

Other example of free to play but pay to win would be Tera and Aion with the RNG boxes, Archeage claims to be free to play but it has a sneaky paywall at end game, due to you being able to buy BIS gear with gold, Tera is that way too, Most any free to play MMO will always have a pay to win and QOL aspect built into it for monetary support. Usually always the first item on list will be locked character creation slots , then later in game trade able items weapons/gear is always worked in somehow or the  other as a workaround to the masses of people upset at the RNG factor preventing them from staying competitive.

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3 minutes ago, OneYouHate said:

WOW is a subscription based MMO same as FFXIV same genre but they have pay to play models, still yet different than a free to play model. 

 

Other example of free to play but pay to win would be Tera and Aion with the RNG boxes, Archeage claims to be free to play but it has a sneaky paywall at end game, due to you being able to buy BIS gear with gold, Tera is that way too, Most any free to play MMO will always have a pay to win and QOL aspect built into it for monetary support. Usually always the first item on list will be locked character creation slots , then later in game trade able items weapons/gear is always worked in somehow or the  other as a workaround to the masses of people upset at the RNG factor preventing them from staying competitive.

Wow is pay to play. Pay to play IS subscription OR to just get access to it, like Guild Wars 2. You're again mis-using the words pay to win and applying it for QoL. I've played both WoW and FF14/FF11. Their both pay to play with subscription. If you have to pay to have access to the game, guess what category it falls under?

Tera is again a good example of pay for convenience, but you don't get anything that makes you stronger then anyone who doesn't pay, therefore it doesn't fall under the pay to win banner. You can pay for a short-cut, like on WoW to hit 90 instantly, but you're on the same footing as someone who has leveled there and chosen not to pay for the convenience. In no way does selling and buying gear give someone a competitive edge since everyone has that available to them. If you said the paying players could buy and sell gear of legendary quality where are non-paying members couldn't it STILL wouldn't be pay to win, because non-paying members just have to go get the gear themselves where paying members get convenience. Now if you said non-paying members couldn't get legendary items, such as Runescape and certain high tier gear, then that is pay to win, as they are paying to be able to use gear that gives them an edge over the competition that they would not be able to get without paying also.
 

[OneYouHate]

Ehh seeing how you mentioned Tera let's do this ...Elite gets you a discount from cash mall, you buy RNG boxes list them on broker with zero fees and no taxes on the end and sell them at 1:20 ratio rinse and repeat and now you purchase a starfall +15 weapon and gear set with full etchings and rolled properly and have only been in the game 2 weeks on that particular character. Archeage same thing Free to Play game you buy APEX sell on broker again using the subbed account access to broker make gold from selling cash mall items rinse and repeat u have been in game less then a month and you purchase a complete ayanad weapon and gear set. <--- those are not conveniences and QOL aspects those are PAY to WIN aspects inside of a Free to Play MMO 

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Just now, OneYouHate said:

Ehh seeing how you mentioned Tera let's do this ...Elite gets you a discount from cash mall, you buy RNG boxes list them on broker with zero fees and no taxes on the end and sell them at 1:20 ratio rinse and repeat and now you purchase a starfull +15 weapon and gear set with full etchings and rolled properly and have only been in the game 2 weeks on that particular character. Archeage same thing Free to Play game you buy APEX sell on broker again using the subbed account access to broker make gold from selling cash mall items rinse and repeat u have been in game less then a month and you purchase a completely ayanad weapon and gear set. <--- those are not conveniences and QOL aspects those are PAY to WIN aspects inside of a Free to Play MMO 

Could I do those things without paying a cent? Regardless of time consumed or effort.

[PandaTakeOver]

Really? They covered this topic like 1000 times. Please read there posts and watch there streams if you want to know more about the game.For all of the people here who failed to watch there streams, I'll sum it up for you.It's dependent upon the amount of hours played, So say that you start a level 5 character and leave it on and move it every once in awhile and rack up a total of 10 hours + on the game, then it takes 7 days to delete because it passed the 10 hour plus margin. Anytime before the 10 hour plus margin only takes 15 minutes to delete. This is to combat people who touch your shit when you are away from the computer and combat hackers from ruining your hard work. This is a game from the east where gold companies/competition/anyone trying to make money will hack you for the money earned and sell your account if you have max levels. This is also the same reason we have that code to type in every-time we login. 

[OneYouHate]

Actually yes u can but it takes roughly around 1 year of very dedicated game play to do it, and with Tera VM gearsets are released roughly once a year, with low and mid ranged gear sets falling every 3 months or so. 1.5 million gold for a weapon and another 4-5 million gold for the BIS gear set.  These are the current prices on MT, where i play at one of the more populated PVPVE servers for Tera's North American version. So by the time you did the legit grind and crafted or bought the set you would be wearing outdated and useless gear as far as being competitive. So to win, you can pay. but to just play it's all free content. Still a super effective business model for games.  casual and die hard gamers alike 

[ToulueVang]

On 2/1/2016 at 1:19 AM, OneYouHate said:

 

 

Actually the only purpose it serves is to sell character slots, pay to win aspect that 10/10 promotes real world money cash sells to boost revenue of game, Pretty rude to tell players to stop whining too... 

 

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Just now, OneYouHate said:

Actually yes u can but it takes roughly around 1 year of very dedicated game play to do it, and with Tera VM gearsets are released roughly once a year, with low and mid ranged gear sets falling every 3 months or so. 1.5 million gold for a weapon and another 4-5 million gold for the BIS gear set.  These are the current prices on MT, where i play at one of the more populated PVPVE servers for Tera's North American version. So by the time you did the legit grind and crafted or bought the set you would be wearing outdated and useless gear as far as being competitive. So to win, you can pay. but to just play it's all free content. Still a super effective business model for games.  casual and die hard gamers alike 

Then it's not pay to win if I can do it without paying. If you said I could only equip that gear as an elite, then it's pay to win as I have access to stronger equipment then people who don't and therefore paying is the only way to be at an even footing with me.

[OneYouHate]

A perspective for you. 6 months ago top tier VM gear was tier 6 renegade 2 months ago VM (visionmaster) tier 9 gear was released, pretty big gap in gear right... the point is can u get it for free ? yes When u get it will it even be a valid gear set to wear ? NO

 

But hey in the cash mall you can buy a liberation scroll and unbind that gear set at +15 and sell it to another player for game gold. which keeping current is somewhat easier once u get a current BIS set. Still yet to obtain the liberation scroll you're going to have to swipe Mr. Mastercard and Lady VIsa to do so 

 

[Lock6]

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