Victorion Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 I am wondering about, which soul shields to use for maximum crit fuse. Mushin Endless Tower BSH Poh Naruy Lab Artisinal Moonwater Primer Anybody has a link or know the max fuse rolls or has a website that gives accurate info for our version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimoir Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 You should normally use the #8 soulshields to fuse with the ones you want to use. Generally all purple soulshields can give you a max fuse value but the ones that you craft (Artisanal Moonwater Critical Soulshield Primer #8) have the highest chance to give you the highest value after fusing. Generally starting from soulshield #1 it can have max 124, for each other soulshield just keep adding +6 to the value so: #1 - 124 #2 - 130 #3 - 136 #4 - 142 #5 - 148 and so on... (the number may vary by like 1-2 but thats the idea) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorion Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 16 minutes ago, Grimoir said: You should normally use the #8 soulshields to fuse with the ones you want to use. Generally all purple soulshields can give you a max fuse value but the ones that you craft (Artisanal Moonwater Critical Soulshield Primer #8) have the highest chance to give you the highest value after fusing. Generally starting from soulshield #1 it can have max 124, for each other soulshield just keep adding +6 to the value so: #1 - 124 #2 - 130 #3 - 136 #4 - 142 #5 - 148 and so on... (the number may vary by like 1-2 but thats the idea) Yeah I know about the #8 piece always gives a higher crit fuse bonus, but I was wondering i.e. How much is max on the Artisinal Moonwater Primer Max on #8 Lab Soul Shield Etc for mushin, endless and so on I want to calculate 2 soul shields (1 for OWpvp and 1 for max dmg) I believe that I fused one piece that had a chance of fusing max 192 crit - and it wasn´t artisinal primer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yamyatos Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 You wear 1,4,6,8 Naryu + 3,5,7 BSH + 2 Mushin (F8) with max crit rolls and fuse them with the craftet soulshield pieces or Naryu 8 for max crit possible (Naryu should give more.. the crafted ones have 250 crit and naryu can have 300, if it's only based on that naryu 8 gives more but is waaay harder to get too. I mean you'd need 8 perfect rolle pieces and then youd also need a good crit fuse roll..). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorion Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 33 minutes ago, Yamyatos said: I mean you'd need 8 perfect rolle pieces and then youd also need a good crit fuse roll..). Do you mean to say, that 2 pieces of i.e. Mushins Soul Shield #8 with different crit rolls, will also have different max crit fuse chances?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimoir Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 yes thats what he means. Personally if you have approx 54-55% crit chance thats more than enough, anything above that is technically a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorion Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 32 minutes ago, Grimoir said: yes thats what he means. Personally if you have approx 54-55% crit chance thats more than enough, anything above that is technically a waste. Is that confirmed, because usually I only see the same crit range chances from 2 pieces of #8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enhance Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 With artisanal primer crit you reach max fuse on all shields except naryu. Even if Naryu-8 gives more crit than Artisanal on fuse, the only shield Artisanal can't max is Naryu (and you can't Naryu a Naryu, if yaknowhatimsayin') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorion Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 32 minutes ago, Enhance said: With artisanal primer crit you reach max fuse on all shields except naryu. Even if Naryu-8 gives more crit than Artisanal on fuse, the only shield Artisanal can't max is Naryu (and you can't Naryu a Naryu, if yaknowhatimsayin') I know I can´t fuse a naryu piece on a naryu piece :D About artisinal and naryu: 1) Are they fusable at all? 2) If yes, what crit bonus do they fuse at? 3) Which SS gives max crit on Naryu NB: Anybody got a link to our version of the naryu maxed ss stats (i´ve been seeing alot of different version from other servers with different stats than ours that don´t hold true) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enhance Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, Victorion said: 1) Are they fusable at all? 2) If yes, what crit bonus do they fuse at? 3) Which SS gives max crit on Naryu NB: Anybody got a link to our version of the naryu maxed ss stats (i´ve been seeing alot of different version from other servers with different stats than ours that don´t hold true) 1, 2) All shields are fusable to non-identical, same-level shields. Naryu gives crit, but I'm not sure how much. Artisanal is fusable, and gives max of 154 (I believe?) fusion. Unfortunately, this isn't enough to max-fuse Naryu#6-8. 3, NB) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1v0tY9qwTmQalLrD0FW2LkX2AJWqEKKSrBz5Ij4WvRXo/htmlview?pref=2&pli=1&sle=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorion Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 19 minutes ago, Enhance said: 1, 2) All shields are fusable to non-identical, same-level shields. Naryu gives crit, but I'm not sure how much. Artisanal is fusable, and gives max of 154 (I believe?) fusion. Unfortunately, this isn't enough to max-fuse Naryu#6-8. 3, NB) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1v0tY9qwTmQalLrD0FW2LkX2AJWqEKKSrBz5Ij4WvRXo/htmlview?pref=2&pli=1&sle=true If the google spreadsheet is correct - you only lose like 20 crit on 2 pieces. I guess I am gonna start doing a ton of lab runs and craft crit primers for them. Thanks for the help ~ NB. I´ll update if my findings are different than expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arohk Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 i never got "maximum" when i fused any soul shields, is it that rare or am i doing something wrong? the best i ever got was +130 crit from a BSH 8 piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorion Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 Well tbh the chance isn´t really that big either. I mean, if you have a piece that says crit fuse : 120 - 140, then there´s 21 chances. 1/21 = 4,7% chance of maxing - provided each chance is equally high. I suspect the chances are slightly lessened for near max or maxed fuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enhance Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, Victorion said: Well tbh the chance isn´t really that big either. I mean, if you have a piece that says crit fuse : 120 - 140, then there´s 21 chances. 1/21 = 4,7% chance of maxing - provided each chance is equally high. I suspect the chances are slightly lessened for near max or maxed fuse. Actually, I don't think chance is equally high. I often (~11 out of 14) times get max with Artisanal crit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorion Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 23 minutes ago, Enhance said: Actually, I don't think chance is equally high. I often (~11 out of 14) times get max with Artisanal crit. However, the artisanal pieces kind of belong to a different group. They are called primers and only available through crafting with somewhat high costs. Alone the set is crappy, but as a primer they work well, and it makes sense the max fuse rate is alot higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enhance Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, Victorion said: However, the artisanal pieces kind of belong to a different group. They are called primers and only available through crafting with somewhat high costs. Alone the set is crappy, but as a primer they work well, and it makes sense the max fuse rate is alot higher. The set? :v If you mean the crafted "blank" set I have no idea what its use is. I meant fusing Artisanal Crit Primer 8 (the only piece there is) to shields (i.e. Naryu/Bloodshade). I feel like for shields that can fuse 100-120 there aren't 21 positions they can end in, but rather something like 3 - normal, successful, and very successful (corresponding to 100, 110, 120) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorion Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, Enhance said: The set? :v If you mean the crafted "blank" set I have no idea what its use is. I meant fusing Artisanal Crit Primer 8 (the only piece there is) to shields (i.e. Naryu/Bloodshade). I feel like for shields that can fuse 100-120 there aren't 21 positions they can end in, but rather something like 3 - normal, successful, and very successful (corresponding to 100, 110, 120) Set, in example Artisanal Moonwater Crit Primer 1-8 (that´s a set). They have no other use that fusing it into other - where as the ones you get from drop can be used as a the primary piece to equip and not nessarily as fodder for your soul shield. There are more than 3 results for a fuse result. The different results are just divided into categories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enhance Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, Victorion said: Set, in example Artisanal Moonwater Crit Primer 1-8 (that´s a set). They have no other use that fusing it into other - where as the ones you get from drop can be used as a the primary piece to equip and not nessarily as fodder for your soul shield. There are more than 3 results for a fuse result. The different results are just divided into categories. I have never seen Artisanal Moonwater Crit Primer 1-8. Could you please explain where to get it? The only crafted set I've seen is Artisanal Moonwater 1-8 with a bunch of blank HP shields. I crafted Artisanal Crit Primer #8 separately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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