Assassin PVP opening help (vs BD, BM, KFM)

[Pets]

Does anyone have any tips for opening as an assassin in Arena? As soon as I start, a BD, KFM, or BM always opens up with that 5 hit move that dazes for the KFM and knocks up for the BM and BD. What's the best way to start against these classes?

[Captain WeebM@ster]

instantly run back and glide in the air, try teleporting to them with rb if cant than tab >1 (if bm blocking try ss>f>c stun or 1>rb to cancel block fast) 

[N3ro]

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Against bd you can rb stealth, but 99.99999% you won´t even get the chance to press the button against a half decent bd as the opening is gonna be almost always entierly in the air. And rarely but sometimes a bd will let you rb stealth on purpose and deflect it with spin. So rb stealth only after spins. But it´s more of a gimmicky start anyway. And even then they can just use their v pull or rng with 3kd. If they v pull it´s fine, because then they don´t have it after you tab escaped.

You almost always are gonna loose the opening against bds. You can win it if you ss soaring falcon in the air and then tab swap then, but it bugs a lot, like A LOT *LOT*.

You can also try to stay on the ground ocasionally and woodblock as soon as they are in range for their lmb stun or penta slash. It will work sometimes, but not multiple times against the same guy unless he is bad. And their rmb in air also goes threw defence so rip. You can also try to bomb them when they are about to be on top of you and didn´t use their iframe, but bomb is slow, so it´s hard to get that off before them.

Generally your opening against bds will usually be x stealth (good if they used their 5 sek resist before you x stealth) or tab escape, but you can´t tab escape if you used ss and e, because then you´re free food to their pull.

 

Against kfms just glide a lot. If they come to close in air woodblock their 3 kd. You can usually expect them to ss in air and then you can just wait a little longer for a block and c stun or tab swap them in between the blocks. If you loose the opening against this class though it´s really not that big of a deal. RMB stealth > spam iframes sometimes works too if you do it instantly after their ss especially, most of the time they z pull you though, so you can try to iframe that. X stealth works too ofc, but make them ss first. You can also tab swap when they use their ice and get stealth from 1. They usually won´t counter instantly after using ice. And then i ss away or e most of the time as they are gonna cancel it and try to catch you with their z or so most of the time, if you iframe that´s great. If they don´t use it. Not a bit deal, at least then you got to neutral pretty much for free.

 

Against BMs ss f won´t work most of the time as they just spam q/e against it. RMB stealth is also easiely countered by flock or rng´esus 3kd. 1 charge into block break can sometimes work as they cannot q/e that if you come from the air. Iframing z pull in the opener (if they choose to do that) pretty much wins you the game. When they glide in the air you can tab swap them, but they c iframe that a lot, if they are above you, you can woodblock to counter rmb stun, but then you have to be careful of penta slash if they don´t do the rmb stun. You can also charge towards them and q a potential flock, if they don´t they usually q, so you spam ss after q and if they q´t you 1 stealth or 3 kd or c stun them. You can ss threw them and 3 kd them or c stun them, as their q/e range is miserable. You can also do the ss f thing and then woodblock a potential penta slash or flicker, but honestly if they do that a lot they are failing as they can just x kd instead witch is save against woodblock. Most of the time if you ss f in the opener, they will expect you to 1 stealth after the f anyways and so they usually flock of blades that, so q is probably saver. I don ´t really like to just x stealth in the opener, i think you´re better off loosing the opener and tab escape and keep your free class carry stealth around for later, for when they tab escaped, or when you flower, or for z pull when you don´t have other iframes, you can also kill hm shield with it pretty quickly. But then ofc, just x stealth works against not that great bms just fine.

[Pets]

Thanks for the advice. So far what's worked in high silver (1550+) against most BDs is running into the air, throwing down the lotus of escape in the air, and then using counter as you're both falling. If they don't attack you, then go for a turning leaf. If they use their 5 hit move into the counter, immediately shunpo, backstep. Backstep has a lot of iframes, and you can get a free stun if they are at the end of their five-point strike thing. If they throw their sword (which happens a lot in the air), then just tap 2 again to do the party decoy. Sad life for those who don't have HM decoy counter iframes...

 

So far, this has kind of worked for me. If there's any other sin player who has a safer method of winning opening against a BD, I'd appreciate it if you replied as well.

[N3ro]

17 hours ago, Pets said:

Thanks for the advice. So far what's worked in high silver (1550+) against most BDs is running into the air, throwing down the lotus of escape in the air, and then using counter as you're both falling. If they don't attack you, then go for a turning leaf. If they use their 5 hit move into the counter, immediately shunpo, backstep. Backstep has a lot of iframes, and you can get a free stun if they are at the end of their five-point strike thing. If they throw their sword (which happens a lot in the air), then just tap 2 again to do the party decoy. Sad life for those who don't have HM decoy counter iframes...

 

So far, this has kind of worked for me. If there's any other sin player who has a safer method of winning opening against a BD, I'd appreciate it if you replied as well.

Actually ss iframe s*cks and shunpo iframe is good... When you woodblock penta iframing is redundant, youll want to lmb stun him asap instead. The bd if not trash will actually cancel his penta if youre not fast enough with spin. Still, you do it anyways cause lmbs stun has 9 sek cd and cant be deflected and you even keep stealth in light build, so its like a 100% free sometimes opening if youre faster than him. Well if they are fast enough they always resist it, so its debateable in higher rankings, whether or not you want to usw it. In silver rankings... its certainly gonna stun them all the time unless they accidently iframe or spin.

 

You also cant decoy soaring falcon as it pierces defence. You can party decoy it in theory, but its kinda slow, youd have to mostly decoy before it happens and they can block break your decoy before you even get to use party decoy. Thats why i said ss or e it. In neutral you can also c-iframe it or sometimes q when you are in range (mostly not).

 

Decoy gives you 2 sek iframe on sucessful counter. Or 1 second when not having hm skill and party decoy is always 1 sek regardless of hm or not, its a different skill entierly. Not sure if you understood that correctly by what you wrote. You can resist the entire 5 point strike of bds or bms when they hit into decoy with hm skill with decoy alone no iframe required, 2 sek is plenty. They always have to hit into your counter for you to get iframes though.