[Concern after c2a event for doing dungeons for new players and alts. What are NcSoft plans?]

33 minutes ago, lillvargen said:

lol Cupid the saviour of the faction chat

 

easy mode dungeons are easy enough for new players as there is no enrage timer, gear up and you can go nm and hm eventually

 

as for no solution to the f8 situation

 

make party open world with other new or older players, go f8, select dungeon and go in

 

why does every solution count as difficult or no solution for you guys

there is an enrage timer for most of the last bosses bro. its 15 mins, its onli not showing because its so long it onli shows later if u take too long. the onli ones that have specific enrage is like the minibosses at the front like the voltari in TC because its part of mechanics. even CS has enrage timer. so how the hell do the other dungeons not have one? logic....... u really think their gonna let u sit at each boss for unlimited time when easy mode mechanics dont even kill u? doesnt even make sense.

 

Making f8 open world party doesnt work well if u undergeared, ppl actually check ur gear bro especially for harder dungeons. goes to show u are blind to the obvious errors of this game currently. U really think u can open world recruit for even TC normals, if u dont even have the gear for it let alone barely thornbreaker gear with less than 2k ap C2A gear . u think any1 will join? doesnt work like that. 

 

the key note here for u alone, is ur just making bs up as usual to blindside ppl to the reality of the problem of this game currently which im pretty sure the devs know these issues exists they just dont address it because it doesnt make them profit otherwise. ur comments are illogical and obviously biased.

[Concern after c2a event for doing dungeons for new players and alts. What are NcSoft plans?]

12 minutes ago, FeuchterLyn said:

I havent tested it yet but if the timer runs out it should still wipe or not ? Cause with story gear even if you add GC weapon into it your dmg is still not enough to beat easy mode before timer runs out. We cant calculate 1 whale per party we are talking about a whole party with story gear. Even if you put mushin tower gear into it thats gonna be hard cause new players usually die even in easy mode.

GC is not high end its the bare minimum needed nowdays and if you cant run dungeons right after story and have to farm several days just to beat the most basic dungeon its gonna be a problem keeping new players ingame cause most are not thinking "nice days of farming just to do my first dungeon". I cant remember a single MMO where you need to farm several days before doing the very first dungeon.

We are not talking about leaching people. We are talking about people having the needed gear and dps to beat a dungeon they should not be forced to manually search half an hour for the most basic dungeons if this game has a lobby system. I would go even that far as to removing the ability to que with a full group outside of hardmode entirely so people are forced to run easy and normal with randooms too making lfp somewhat alive.

Does enrage after timer and kills u, even though timer is like 15 mins for most bosses in easy. If u want to test, go to TC and survive for 1 min on easy, the boss enrages and kills u even in easy mode. 

 

[Concern after c2a event for doing dungeons for new players and alts. What are NcSoft plans?]

2 minutes ago, Grimoir said:

 

Do not get me wrong, the current progression and loot rewards are just....completely messed up. Even if new players wanted to grind and farm there is nothing they can farm to get the scales needed for upgrades and i heavily doubt they will further reduce the HP of easy mode.

 

But still new players should never play a game with expectations they will get free carries (given i have been carrying some ppl lately in F8 since i can solo all of the easy dungeons anyway) . Generally easy mode should be doable with straight out of story gear and drop scales and some mats at least (unlike now where you get crap). As someone already mentioned the updated story should somewhat fix that gap, but i tihnk the HP in easy might still need a nerf regardless.

 

The main problem right now isnt free carry, its that the gear u get given from doing the quests is too $**t to even do the easy dungeons. why they did they this not sure. maybe because they just copied the current korean system for UE4 and did some translations but not actual time to proper revamp and adapt the system to the current game. and upgrading it now is even more troublesome than it was half a year ago, significant difficulty increase on the easier content especially for ppl to even get the medium level gear is insane. 

 

especially when NCsoft trolls u by giving u Silversteel access but stucks u on thornbreaker 9 with c2A lmao knowing u will never cross the IA weapon gap as a new player or new character at least within the next 6 months without more $$$$. even if u sumhow get the weapon mat, u still need the ores and without an actual active weekly raid on IA for yourself ur silversteel 1-3 weapon forever remains 1-3 as there is currently no way to even get silversteel ores to upgrade it without doing the raid besides weekly silver lab for a measly 3 ores. 

 

Jokes aside, they clearly copied the korean version of the game for UE4 engine but didnt proper revamp the gear system to match NA current content standards because i assume too busy translating and releasing new class to bother with working out how ppl can gear more easily on the lower end. their whole point of doing c2A is to catch ppl up but how is thornbreaker weap enough to do current content easily when every single mode and dungeon bosses HP has now been buffed by a ton,  lols(without a carry of course) especially when most of the stuff u need for gear progression is on norms(which no1 barely does in f8 or chat) unless u got supreme gear of at least 2k+ with a good soul and heart. Even then running Normal and hard modes are rare.  who even runs UZUME 300 runs in normal mode when u jst do easy mode? 🤦‍♂️ but easy mode drops garbage doesn't even drop the scale chests which ppl need except in the daily. They need proper revamp of the current game system, not just copy the korean UE4 game and systems for translations and new class.

 

 

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https://pasteboard.co/NmwpTcXAdE1r.png

 

graph representation of current state of the game even after this c2A event.

 

If anyone else thinks I am wrong, feel free to comment. 🤣

[Concern after c2a event for doing dungeons for new players and alts. What are NcSoft plans?]

@Grimoir,

Have u even tried leveling a new character? Believe its so much harder now to get gear and certain levels are internally "softlocked" in progress. currently even if u finish C2A. ur pretty much softlocked on that gear until at least countless weeks if ur lucky, otherwise u need to pump $$$$ to get past the lock. you are looking at the viewpoint from clearly a player who has finished and reached nearly the end gear. bro trying gearing from the start again now and see the pain.

 

Sure easy mode dungeons u dont wipe but it takes you way longer to clear. what other ppl are saying is there needs to be easier ways to get gear progression even after c2a which is clearly the problem right now. 

 

TT

ET <--c2a gets you here barely enough gear to barely do this even then ET raids are rare to recruit for. 

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IA <--No one even recruits much for IA raids, next to impossible to get into IA raid now. the only way to get drops is from sell raids.

BM <-- all the ppl who can do IA easily, are now here doing BM. Most dont even bother with IA anymore unless selling drops for gold.

 

Currently if u did C2A ur finished at probs quite simple gear. sure u get silversteel access but those arent even upgraded and takes tons of mats more than countless weeks worth and now ur softlocked because the breakthrough items are in the 50x sanctum core boxes which with ur c2a gear doubt u can even do the normal version of the dungeons let alone not get kicked, unless u got really good buds who are already far in their gear willing to carry you. Sure easy mode drops it but from what ive experienced it is literally more rare drop than the Sun Access box which is Legendary.  

 

so once you get ur c2a thornbreaker weap and silversteel earring ur stuck because u need IA weapon mat to even go the next level but there is literally no raids even bothering to do much IA that is progression or recruiting/willing to carry new players that isnt a SELL raid. Most of those ppl who already selling IA raids drops are literally doing it only for the gold from sellers. The ppl who can do IA are already on BM raids and either do BM raids or sell IA raids drops. 

 

But as a new player even if u did C2A where do u even get the gold to buy the drops dropped? its literally like 10k gold for weapon mat. 10k gold isnt easy to earn for a new player even after C2A. hate to burst ur bubble but because there is a lack of IA raids or ppl willing to run for new IA raids there is gap in gear that is literally softlocked right after c2a gear. 

56 minutes ago, Grimoir said:

1. A full party should not have issues clearing easy mode. Given it may take a bit, but should be doable considering there are no wipe mechanics.

2. Obviously....they should not be expecting to get high end gear just free.

3. LFP is for everyone, but that does not mean new players should expect a carry everywhere, nothing gives them a right to that. If they cannot get into existing parties, they can form their own lfp and look for players that want to join them for content.

There are clear problems with ur logic here let me explain:

 

1. Keyword word is "it may take a bit", nobody wants to take 30 mins to do an easy mode dungeons because ur gear is C2A gear. used to be 10 mins runs tops now its like 15-30mins depending on gear. why NCsoft did this i dont understand, even now the bosses have more hp in easy than they did previously which is stupid. 
2. Nobody expects high end gear for free. we all get that, the problem is the effort currently required is too much and too many content in the middle are run as often. Cue IA raids where ppl who can do this easily now either do sell runs only or are busy doing BM raids.  there is this large gap in the void between those who newly started a character and those who are already long past IA. there is no way to progress unless u have gold or sumhow manage to get recruited into an IA(which is next to impossible).
3. LFP, ur taking the community too soft here. No one wants to party with sum1 who is undergeared especially when now content is much tougher. ever tried TC and get stuck on volkari even in easy mode because u cant meet the DPS? sure u can do mechs but i doubt other ppl in ur party will do mechs in EASY MODE. U are definately not clearing volkari with ur c2A gear if everyone else also had c2a gear. You need to open ur eyes and look at what the ppl here are complaining about. 

PPL here are complaining about the fact there is literally the void in progression after u finish C2A on a new character which isnt healthy for the playerbase growth on a game which is already dying. there is now a huge gap in the void of the playerbase where there are the long standing players who are already BM lvl gear and the other spectrum is those who started C2A. there is not much players in the middle level gear here. this problem.