Arena is moribund.

[Sovyen]

         Hello everybody and welcome to my Rant. I have been playing this game on and off ever since it was released and I wanted to give my look and opinion on the current state of PvP and Arena. I want to say that I'm disgusted... I've never seen PvP so dead ever since this was released in the Americas and I want to say that I have never seen such a low point in my entire life throughout the history of any game.

 

I made a Table of Contents here so you can skip to what in my thread you want to read:

 

1. Anti-Wintrading System/"Prime Hours"

2. Dead Content

3. PvP Event(s)

4. Incentive

5. Anti-Alternative Character Measures

6. Tournaments

 

1.

 

         The filthy attempt to combat "Wintraders" not only killed the Arena but also killed Tag Matches. Limiting the time where people can play is NOT going to stop people from "wintrading", especially if nobody can even get a lobby to play in the first place. All you're doing with this is killing this content faster and faster. You really expect people to be on between 8 - 11pm eastern time and play tag matches when they have jobs and lives? It's not even just that. When you force people to play in a certain time frame in certain days, all you're going to get is "Professional" players. Can you possibly guess what that's going to do to the mental state of the PvP Community? Do you know why Arena is dead? Who wants to intentionally queue into someone who played in [moderated] Korea? Nobody.

 

2.

 

        Arena is dead content now. It has finally become official. When I decide to queue up on weekends and can barely get a match at 1600-1700 at any given point in time during the entirety of the day and still cannot find a match. Then after I do a queue for about 15 minutes, I finally find somebody. There's only 2 kinds of people I can find at that point. It's either a Silver, or it's someone around 1800 (Which is considered high ranking PvP at the given moment by the way). Again, either way, it's not fun to play. I don't know many people who would willingly sit in a lobby for 30 minutes before capping out and auto-cancelling the queue just to try to queue again for another +7 or -7 match.

 

3.

 

        We need another PvP event, point and end. The only other PvP event that we have ever had was when they offered those "Warrior Tokens" or "Pride Tokens" or whatever they were. Where you could use 30 or so to get an alternative version of "Steel Will" (PvP Top 30 Ranking Outfit). This would at LEAST help the PvP community for the duration of the event and help people see and figure out if they want to play Arena more or not. There's really not many people who hop on to a game and just go "Let me check how the PvP is". Point blank, we need another pvp event. I do not mean some BS event where they go in to Beluga or something, as Beluga is not dead content atm.

 

4.

 

        Arena needs a different incentive for people to play. As much as I see the "Indo" people playing and fighting each other to get rewards, even they will eventually run out of Keys to open their Arena Boxes. What is the point of people attempting to play arena if they're going to be roadblocked from their rewards? Oh you got beans, the original currency required to buy rewards from the vendors? Nah screw you, now you need a key that you can only obtain by playing PvE. Also by playing that PvE content, you have to have good enough gear to beat the required daily dungeons to get that key. In saying that, you have to either spend countless hours and months farming gear to obtain the ability to play this content, or just spend money.

 

5.

 

       Let me just be blunt on this one. There is currently no possible way you really think you are professionally handling the Alternate character issue in a good manner. Raising PvP Level Requirement in the first place to 45, did not help. Raising it again to 50 or whatever, also did not help. Raising it to 60, barely helped. Do you know what you really should do? Limit 1 to 2 characters on a single account to be able to be displayed on the Leaderboards. I don't mean overall, I mean two characters of the same class on the same account. Then you can do something outrageous that would force people to abide by that rule, like linking alternate accounts through the NCSOFT website. If accounts aren't linked and somebodies IP is shared across accounts, get hit with the hammer like everyone did a couple seasons back. Fixing these small issues is really NOT A HUGE WASTE OF EFFORT. This company is just deciding to screw one thing up in order to fix something else and the lack of knowledge in the Player vs Player community in the current and old NCWEST staff is a serious disappointment. Also before anyone comments that they're just "Following Korea's Guidelines in updates", think about all the stuff they didn't follow and where they added their own stuff. They do not need to 100% follow what they do as long as they get confirmation.

 

6.

 

       You really don't know what you're getting yourself into here. I don't even want to comment on what kind of dumb tournament we're about to get but let's be honest; We all know it's going to be that stupid Team Battle Royale Tournament that every other region dug into already. This is dead content already and it's adding absolutely nothing to the games player base, content, activity. Like... are you serious? We were barely even able to hold the last tournament and that was a 3 player team ladder that only had like 10 teams!

[ARC-1276]

On 7/1/2019 at 8:24 PM, Sovyen said:

         Hello everybody and welcome to my Rant. I have been playing this game on and off ever since it was released and I wanted to give my look and opinion on the current state of PvP and Arena. I want to say that I'm disgusted... I've never seen PvP so dead ever since this was released in the Americas and I want to say that I have never seen such a low point in my entire life throughout the history of any game.

 

I made a Table of Contents here so you can skip to what in my thread you want to read:

 

1. Anti-Wintrading System/"Prime Hours"

2. Dead Content

3. PvP Event(s)

4. Incentive

5. Anti-Alternative Character Measures

6. Tournaments

 

1.

 

         The filthy attempt to combat "Wintraders" not only killed the Arena but also killed Tag Matches. Limiting the time where people can play is NOT going to stop people from "wintrading", especially if nobody can even get a lobby to play in the first place. All you're doing with this is killing this content faster and faster. You really expect people to be on between 8 - 11pm eastern time and play tag matches when they have jobs and lives? It's not even just that. When you force people to play in a certain time frame in certain days, all you're going to get is "Professional" players. Can you possibly guess what that's going to do to the mental state of the PvP Community? Do you know why Arena is dead? Who wants to intentionally queue into someone who played in [moderated] Korea? Nobody.

 

2.

 

        Arena is dead content now. It has finally become official. When I decide to queue up on weekends and can barely get a match at 1600-1700 at any given point in time during the entirety of the day and still cannot find a match. Then after I do a queue for about 15 minutes, I finally find somebody. There's only 2 kinds of people I can find at that point. It's either a Silver, or it's someone around 1800 (Which is considered high ranking PvP at the given moment by the way). Again, either way, it's not fun to play. I don't know many people who would willingly sit in a lobby for 30 minutes before capping out and auto-cancelling the queue just to try to queue again for another +7 or -7 match.

 

3.

 

        We need another PvP event, point and end. The only other PvP event that we have ever had was when they offered those "Warrior Tokens" or "Pride Tokens" or whatever they were. Where you could use 30 or so to get an alternative version of "Steel Will" (PvP Top 30 Ranking Outfit). This would at LEAST help the PvP community for the duration of the event and help people see and figure out if they want to play Arena more or not. There's really not many people who hop on to a game and just go "Let me check how the PvP is". Point blank, we need another pvp event. I do not mean some BS event where they go in to Beluga or something, as Beluga is not dead content atm.

 

4.

 

        Arena needs a different incentive for people to play. As much as I see the "Indo" people playing and fighting each other to get rewards, even they will eventually run out of Keys to open their Arena Boxes. What is the point of people attempting to play arena if they're going to be roadblocked from their rewards? Oh you got beans, the original currency required to buy rewards from the vendors? Nah screw you, now you need a key that you can only obtain by playing PvE. Also by playing that PvE content, you have to have good enough gear to beat the required daily dungeons to get that key. In saying that, you have to either spend countless hours and months farming gear to obtain the ability to play this content, or just spend money.

 

5.

 

       Let me just be blunt on this one. There is currently no possible way you really think you are professionally handling the Alternate character issue in a good manner. Raising PvP Level Requirement in the first place to 45, did not help. Raising it again to 50 or whatever, also did not help. Raising it to 60, barely helped. Do you know what you really should do? Limit 1 to 2 characters on a single account to be able to be displayed on the Leaderboards. I don't mean overall, I mean two characters of the same class on the same account. Then you can do something outrageous that would force people to abide by that rule, like linking alternate accounts through the NCSOFT website. If accounts aren't linked and somebodies IP is shared across accounts, get hit with the hammer like everyone did a couple seasons back. Fixing these small issues is really NOT A HUGE WASTE OF EFFORT. This company is just deciding to screw one thing up in order to fix something else and the lack of knowledge in the Player vs Player community in the current and old NCWEST staff is a serious disappointment. Also before anyone comments that they're just "Following Korea's Guidelines in updates", think about all the stuff they didn't follow and where they added their own stuff. They do not need to 100% follow what they do as long as they get confirmation.

 

6.

 

       You really don't know what you're getting yourself into here. I don't even want to comment on what kind of dumb tournament we're about to get but let's be honest; We all know it's going to be that stupid Team Battle Royale Tournament that every other region dug into already. This is dead content already and it's adding absolutely nothing to the games player base, content, activity. Like... are you serious? We were barely even able to hold the last tournament and that was a 3 player team ladder that only had like 10 teams!

Yes. I'm sick of waiting in the arena for hours just for some guy in plat to hop onto his alt and farm me out of gold because he got bored, thus convincing me that this game isn't worth my time, and get me to stop trying, thus someone else who would've been matched against me, ends up in the same spot.

[Grimoir]

I agree with you on points 1 and 5.

 

For the rest:

 

Point 2 and 3:

you have to consider that majority doesnt like PVP at all, so even if there is an event most players simply will not take part in it because they dont like it. We already seen this happen multiple times.

Narrowing hours of availability also is not that good but i am pretty sure after a while they can change them depending on player feedback.

 

Point 4:

There is an incentive, you get a huge amount of materials form it. And while keys can be ablocker, you can easily buy them for solar energies, which come from just doing 3 daily challenges for which you dont even need gear.....Basin = 1 challenge, TOI on some days = 2nd challenge, then mushin floor 20 / outlaw island can easily be done with just plain story gear. Heck even circle of sundering can be done with it. So i dont agree with you with this point.

 

Point 6:

Its always the same teams / people in these tournaments anyway , most players dont like to participate so tournaments are just meh.

[Oupy]

Arena is kinda problematic at the moment 

 

we already told them from the begining to limit the reward  and make it account bound not character  , at the the moment there's like 500 playing arena and they all the same people due to the reward , cut the reward and make it account bound u will find more people encouraged to play arena  no more top 10 for the same person but that issue existed since the begining  , i doubt they gonna fix it anytime soon.

Edited July 28, 2019 by Oupy

[ImoutoMaster]

vor 20 Stunden schrieb Oupy:

at the the moment there's like 500 playing arena and they all the same people due to the reward.

Thats kinda optimistic. Its more like 10 - 20 which alot of alts.