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Soulstone Plains SERIOUS problem

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XinLao   

So, about me basically I'm a returning player and I'm gonna talk on what happens in my case what my perspective of this is. (Simply put it, it's INFURIATING)

 

So let's talk about soulstone plains for a bit, when I took an hiatus from BnS it was like 2 years ago, when max lvl was still lvl 50 and people hardly were above HM 15/16, I repeat this was 2 years ago.

Soulstone plains was intruduced WAY before I left. The intention of Soulstone Plains was to give players a open world pvp/pve farming content which at the time (AGAIN, 2 years ago) was one good place to farm mats and etc. Everybody could farm them, there was reward there was enough going for a lot of people, there were a lot of different servers, and a lot of channels.

Now i noticed one of the big differences from before is that Ugon and the other now gives a garanteed plus a % chance to drop evolved stones. Which is good cause also to get it you need to be able to get 2 badges from that boss, that is you need to kill him 2 times on respawn. That is good, that is around 1h 30/45m to get both.

NOW, let's talk about THE REAL PROBLEM, see this in MY PERSPECTIVE as a still relatively low geared player, compared to almost every other player in this game, ESPECIALLY THE ONES CAMPING Soulstone plains.

I CANNOT FARM FOR ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤, LITERALLY FOR ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤, in a open world content that was open 2 GOD ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ING YEARS AGO. Before the max dps going about was around 300/400k dps something around those numbers. NOW, let's just say you see 1 low lvl geared player taking that same ammount of damage competing with other 30 players one shooting everything with a 1M dps.

Let me tell you just show an example of how bad it is to try to farm anything right now in Soulstone plains (again a 2 year old content with 2 year old untouched mobs): You know those mobs that spawn on the side in the last 4 minutes of the mining phase? I've came back to this game almost 1 month ago, and still haven't even been able to complete the quest to kill them, EVEN DOE I'M THERE AT EVERY SINGLE SPAWN AND CAN GET 1 HIT IN BEFORE THEY DIE I CANNOT EVEN COMPLETE THE QUEST. in 1 MONTH, I'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO COMPLETE A SIMPLE DAILY QUEST LIKE THAT TO THE POINT THAT I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY DROP (IF THEY DROP ANYTHING, but of course they do cause you have 30 gorillas trying to kill him as fast as they can). This is not normal.

I've been literally trying days and days to farm soulstone plains, and I can say that at ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ING BEST I can get 200 prestige points p/hour. 200 ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ing prestige points p/ hour. Let's see another example for this: I get 200 points after 1 hour, and the other player lvl 60 HM 19/20/21/22/23 is making about 1500 p/hour. Why? Cause even doe i'm beating that single mob like for 2 full rotations already and get him to about almost half of his hp, that one OVERGEARED guy in a 2 year old content just 1 shots the mob and i get about 20 prestige points and he gets around 180. It's FAIR RIGHT? Let's say i give up to try to farm the mob spawns at the cerulean base, and instead go around killing the mobs in the field, i'm trying to kill one of the unbound, that HM 20 gorilla is gonna one shot those 2 mobs above and come running towards me and finish off mine as well. BIM BAM BOM, i got 10 prestige points trying to kill 1 unbound while the other guy made 450 prestige single handedly killing the 2 mobs in the cerulean base and still with enough time to come down and steal half the points from the one i was killing. IT'S FAIR RIGHT? Or i can i just be trying to kill one unbound and the other guy is going to kill the entire field and be with enough time to go to the spawns at cerulean base, and even if i try to go with him, i get around 10 prestige points for killing the 2 of them with him and he gets 400 or so.

AGAIN, i'm going to repeat this is a content that was intruduced 2 ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ING YEARS AGO.

Back to talking about those "field bosses" that spawn, on 4 min left of mining phase and ugon. 1 month of playing this, and i've not got 1 chest, or completed a quest out of them.

Why? Again 30 HM 19/20/21/22/23 gorillas 1 shotting and charging their ult's that do not require a target. 1 ONE ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ING ENTIRE MONTH, 31 DAYS, 7 TO 8 HOURS FARMING EACH DAY, AND I HAVE NOT EVEN BEEN ABLE TO COMPLETE A QUEST FROM A 2 YEAR OLD CONTENT. ALSO, in 1 month i've not been able to get above the Ascendant level IN 1 ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ING MONTH.

Now, I understand that high level players can just simply get to somewhere in soulstone plains and clean how they want, that is normal about any kind of MMO, that is not what i'm complaining. They are free to farm as well, BUT SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE, because the with the current situation, in a "currently" low level content, low level players adjusted to that same content, CANNOT FARM THERE, there is LITERALLY NO WAY, for them to compete WITH ANYTHING against all of this HEAVILY high geared gorillas.

It's at the point where YOUR OWN FACTIONS HURTS YOU MORE THEN DEALING WITH THE TIME TO TIME PVP ENGAGEMENTS AGAINST PLAYERS FROM THE OTHER FACTION.

It's to the point that even when you get those 200 points after 2 hours or so, and you're either trying to lvl up your rank or trying to get that 300 points soulstone pouch, you're are probably always gonna get that 1 HM 21 gorilla from the opposite faction killing you cause you have been already going about for 1 hour or more to farm those 200 points and it's  more then natural that farming for that ammount of time in a row is gonna get you killed.

ONE WAY OR THE OTHER it's IMPOSSIBLE FOR LOW GEARED PLAYERS TO FARM IN A LOW LVL CONTENT. Be it for soulstones, quests, chests, or faction ranks. The 4 REASONS to be in that low level content ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO DO.

Now, here is the solution for this, we have 2 options:

1º the most simple one to fix this, create a new faction zone in Solak with the same kind of content that Soulstone Plains has, with more something beffiting better the high geared players with rewards that interest them to farm there and not make them SoulStone Plains as worth as it currently is for them.

2º Well, this one, it probably needs to happen in all cases so that high geared players stop abusing over on low level content that low lvl geared cannot farm. The first thing is make so that the prestige points are EVENLY distrubuted towards all players that agro the mobs. WHY? SIMPLE, because AS IT IS NOW, LIKE SAID ABOVE IF I TRY TO KILL ONE MOB ALREADY  DOING 2 FULL ROTATIONS ON HIM AND DROP HIM ABOUT 60% HP, THAT ONE GORILLA IS GOING TO SHOW UP AND KILL HIM IN 1 SEC AND GET MORE REWARD THEN ME AND CONTINUE TO KILL THE ENTIRE AREA ALL BY HIMSELF BEFORE I HAVE A CHANCE TO LAND A HIT ON ANYTHING ELSE TO GAIN THAT MISERABLE 1 POINT OUT OF IT.
So now that we distribute evenly the points to kill that mob, here comes the next part for this change, AND THE BIGGEST ONE. Make it so that Ulok (or whatever his name is) and both the 2 King Grindthooth that spawn at each side of the quarry at 4 min in the mining phase ARE ONLY DAMAGED BY PLAYERS WITH A MINIMUM AMMOUNT OF POINTS. The same mechanic you have for using the drums when you get enough points to not die to that particular boss (i don't remember his name) MAKE ALSO THAT YOU NEED A MINIMUM REQUIRED TO USE ONE OF THOSE DRUMS TO BE ABLE TO DAMAGE THOSE GRINDTHOOTH AND THE OTHER LAST BOSS. WHY THIS? to stop the abuse from high geared players coming to a low lvl content, DOING NOTHING, and TAKING EVERYTHING. IF THEY ARE GONNA TAKE EVERY SINGLE REWARD FROM THAT LOW LVL AREA, AND ON TOP OF THAT STEALING THE FARM FROM LOW LVL PLAYERS TO THE POINT WE CAN'T EVEN COMPLETE ONE SIMPLE QUEST, AT LEAST MAKE IT SO THAT THEY WORK THEIR ASSES OFF BY OBTAINING THOSE POINTS THROUGH OUT THE 2 PREVIOUS PHASES TO BE ABLE TO GET REWARDS TO KILL GRINDTHOOTH AND ULOK.

Now, since i know there wouldn't be enough points for everyone and it would be a little unfair in many aspects of that, of course i'm going to say, that with this change you also need to increase and add points through all the mobs in the field. So that whoever is actually trying to farm, CAN ACTUALLY FARM. AND NOT GET A HEAVILY GEARED PLAYER STEALING EVERYTHING FROM EVERYONE THAT IS LOW GEARED. AND NOT GET LAST SECOND CAMPERS ONE SHOTTING ALL 3 OF THE BOSSES AND MAKING THE SITUATION WORSE. YOU WANT THE REWARDS? FARM FOR THEM.

Now i know that increasing the ammount of points obtained would cause as well an unnecessary increas ammount of soulstone farming and that would also affect marketplace. SO, it's simple, increase the ammount of points needed as well to obtain both pouches and chest. Simple

I'm gonna be real quick here, if anyone is interested, if i care about the HIGH geared gorillas being opposed to this change: I DON'T GIVE A ****.

All you guys do is literally one shot the mobs in a ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ing 2 year old content stealing every possible way of farming in that area for those same said low geared low level players. You do not deserve an opinion if you are completely against changing the way how soulstone plains currently work. It's already bad enough that you clear the entire ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ing area while we kill one mob, you still have the ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ing digusting attitude of coming and stealing that one mob by 1 shotting him and getting 80 to 70% of his reward when we are in agro with him for the last 10/15 seconds. It's literally DISGUSTING.

As it is now, you can't farm points, you can't farm quests, you can't soulstones, you can't upgrade your faction rank, you can't farm chests, you can't do ANYTHING cause it ALL gets taken unfairly by heavy high geared/lvl players.  Change that based on what i said. IF THEY WANT TO FARM THOSE CHESTS AND ETC MAKE IT SO THAT THEY WORK THEIR ASSES FOR IT AND POINTS ARE EVENLY DISTRIBUTED TO SOFTEN THE FACT THAT HIGH GEARED PLAYERS KEEP ABUSING THIS SYSTEM TO HURT LOW GEARED PLAYERS.

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First off, calm down. If you can't explain a point without cursing, it's probably not a good point at all.

Secondly, I'm not sure how low-leveled you say you are. You're saying all these players are HM 18-25, which is true, but I could only assume you're really low-level if you made it clear that:

3 hours ago, XinLao said:

AS IT IS NOW, LIKE SAID ABOVE IF I TRY TO KILL ONE MOB ALREADY  DOING 2 FULL ROTATIONS ON HIM AND DROP HIM ABOUT 60% HP, THAT ONE GORILLA IS GOING TO SHOW UP AND KILL HIM IN 1 SEC AND GET MORE REWARD THEN ME AND CONTINUE TO KILL THE ENTIRE AREA ALL BY HIMSELF BEFORE I HAVE A CHANCE TO LAND A HIT ON ANYTHING ELSE TO GAIN THAT MISERABLE 1 POINT OUT OF IT.

The thing is, these mobs aren't that hard to kill when you reach at least 1400+ AP. You made it sound like an absolute struggle to fight them off.

 

Thirdly, I can't figure out why you were doing Soulstone Plains to begin with. Was it to farm [Soulstones] and [Evolved Stones]? Was it to farm Faction insignas and raise your Faction standing? The problems you describe are there, but what are they hindering? You say it's one thing, but it could be the other; it's a bit cluttered for me to see.

 

I'm curious to know why you're investing days-worth of time in 2-year-old content, for loot that could be farmed elsewhere, when it's currently plagued by high-leveled Ceruleans. There are other things in-game you could do to achieve the same farm, and these are more fun than standing around in half-hour to full-hour intervals, which is what most of these "high-geared gorillas" are doing.

 

Granted, NCSOFT isn't doing a good job at improving their Faction system. It was cool as a concept, executed poorly, and it's now an abandoned project to work on. You were playing content that was bad to begin with, and there's content outside of Factions that I can say are better.

 

TL;DR; the solution to your problem is do other things in the game. Leave Soulstone Plains to high-geared players who want to AFK all the time.

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Wataru   

The problem with SSP is they haven't removed the rewards like Misty. 

 

If you think farming is hard you should try being in the smaller faction.

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XinLao   
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On 24/05/2019 at 12:30 AM, Snowyamur said:

The thing is, these mobs aren't that hard to kill when you reach at least 1400+ AP. You made it sound like an absolute struggle to fight them off.

Yes i don't have 1400 AP, and even if i did, it still wouldn't exactly be enough to prevent the stupidity of points distribution between 2 players, and the main problem still remains, which is what about the people that do not have those 1400? or 1300 for that matter...

 

 

On 24/05/2019 at 12:30 AM, Snowyamur said:

Thirdly, I can't figure out why you were doing Soulstone Plains to begin with. Was it to farm [Soulstones] and [Evolved Stones]? Was it to farm Faction insignas and raise your Faction standing? The problems you describe are there, but what are they hindering? You say it's one thing, but it could be the other; it's a bit cluttered for me to see.

Doing exactly everything that you described? What else would you go for Soulstone Plains if not to farm soulstone, evolved stones, faction insignas and faction rank?
Like what are they hindering? Literally EVERYTHING? aside from farming faction insignas? If I want to rank up my faction rank to subjugator and be able to also obtain the 500 chest, how the ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ do I do that? Am I  supposed to take 1 year? or go farm 2/3 prestige mobs in an even lower lvl area? and perhaps take my time and in about 8 months i'll get there.

 

On 24/05/2019 at 12:30 AM, Snowyamur said:

I'm curious to know why you're investing days-worth of time in 2-year-old content, for loot that could be farmed elsewhere, when it's currently plagued by high-leveled Ceruleans.

I'm curious to know why the ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ are you guys farming there, i don't know about you, but everything about it is more weird then you trying to figure out why a low lvl character would ever try to put their asses on a low lvl content. Like why the hell would i ever want go there? Oh wait............................

 

Btw, that isn't plagued by high lvl ceruleans. It's plagued by high lvl crimsons that 1 shot the entire area.

You know what is funny about this? That place is supposed to be staple low lvl farming spot for low lvl players having a chance to get some mats, faction/clan farm, and a good consistent source of income. Cause low lvl players do need a place to get a healthy source of income to start upgrading their gear. Instead, that place is a source of income of high lvl afk'ers.

You imagine yourself right now in the place of a REALLY new player to this game, that has absolutely no source of income whatsoever, you arrive to silverfrost, and find that the only place after 50 lvl's or so, and the time you took to get there while exploring around the other areas, is literally infested with high end gear gorillas one shotting everything away from him. A content that was supposed to be for someone of his lvl to be able to farm for faction, soulstone, and etc... it's literally infested with gorillas. And you ask for yourself: "If this is how it looks like in still low lvl content i don't even wanna know the rest from here on out."

Put the 2º option i gave about how to fix SSP, and you will see how many of them will remain there after a few days when they find out that afk farming low lvl content is gone. I don't mind them being there, it's their right to do so as well, but if you're gonna ruin low lvl player experience at least work your asses off to do it, believe me, it's 1000000000x more frustrating seeing someone afk 1 shotting the most important stuff, then to actually seeing someone farming for it. If they are gonna ruin content like that at least make it so they are actually pressing buttons on their keyboards.

The majority of them are there to farm evolved stones? Let them obtain the same way they do in MSP. Farm them you high geared gorillas instead of afking. You all have more then enough gear to run through MSP stage 4/5/6 with ease. Low lvl players don't.

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REv002   

i can only give you this advice : get in a clan where you can do dailies raids, get gear at least 1.5k ap and you can farm evolved stone at msp now which has better drop now. Or you can still camp the faction change npc to join to the dominant faction and do ssp for rank then for the 500 prestige box. I myself have problem at ssp to land a hit as it dies in a sec... , i suggested it in other topics that a hp increase would be awsome but we know already know since the beginning that ncsoft doesnt care about players and about their suggestion...

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lol "'new headline: Returning Player Complains About Outdate/Outscaled Content. That Is Inefficient To Farm Anyways' Back to you Jim" 

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I still say that the whole faction system needs to be looked into to revamp it like they have been doing with certain dungeons / areas. Make it more relevant, boost the npc's health to counter the new amount of damage that most of us do today. As well as possibly removing the whole soulstone aspect from SSP. Lets face it, not only is it players but also those "gold sellers" that farm there as well which in turn make them money by selling soulstone that allow them to keep certain websites up and running for those dumb enough to buy gold from them.

Also, for those that will or have said it is irrelevant content, you still need it for a few things aside from soulstone which we even had a chat about it on my discord. Still only way to obtain the highest faction rank without spending years grinding the faction quests, still the only viable source of mirage crystals for clan outfits (yes people including myself still do those) not to mention faction insignia to level up competitive clans (sure you can join a rank 15 clan but how do you think they hit rank 15? or gain less bonus via social clans).

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This is probably just talking in deaf ears but a tiered approach would seem to be one solution as well.  Divide the channels into AP tiers.  Only allow characters with a certain range of HM lvl into each channel.  Change the boss HP appropriately for each tier.  Maybe update the loot table for each as well.  No more gorillas competing against you until you get to the top tier (at that point you've evolved into a gorilla yourself).  Don't know how much work it would be to implement but couldn't be that hard.

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XinLao   
15 hours ago, Pantsukun said:

lol "'new headline: Returning Player Complains About Outdate/Outscaled Content. That Is Inefficient To Farm Anyways' Back to you Jim" 

"You're right Laura, but for some reason it's more populated and farmed then most of the higher lvl areas and dungeons, can we get a scoop on how that works? Back to you Laura"

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Miskuzi   

I reported in support about hackspeed bots on ssp.  Three weeks have passed and I still see these bots. Don't expect them to do anything for you.  N

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just swap to ceru and start farming the players instead of the mobs :)

(Miskuzi is extra ez to farm)

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On 5/25/2019 at 3:58 AM, XinLao said:

I'm curious to know why the ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ are you guys farming there

If it's low-level content, why aren't you finishing the Campaign to access the high-level, more farm-rich content?

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XinLao   

Just by curiosity, who said I didn't finished already? And even if I didn't what does that has to do with anything? 

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On 04/06/2019 at 11:29 AM, Snowyamur said:

If it's low-level content, why aren't you finishing the Campaign to access the high-level, more farm-rich content?

Just by curiosity, who said I didn't finished already? And even if I didn't what does that has to do with anything? 

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Noukah   

Cool, I didn’t know this area was still crowded. Need to continue my Dragon Blood title :D

 

 

 

But I need at least 5000 more players T__T

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43 minutes ago, Noukah said:

Cool, I didn’t know this area was still crowded. Need to continue my Dragon Blood title :D

Battle phase then swap channel for other battle phase. AoE and pull-together skills help.

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