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Am suggesting vote to kick option be available F8 against AFK players.

 

There is no immediate punishment for those who leeches in dungeons or event dungeons. If you are voted out by 5 people that means you are doing something wrong / AFK.

There is no downside to this option. You can't vote to kick during loot auction anyways. Reporting players who afk is a hassle in both the player and support team.

You won't see anyone afk in a weekly group the reason why is you get booted out immediately I do hope the same works for F8. 

 

Make F8 a non-afk place :D Let's make this happen.

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3 hours ago, Grimoir said:

Because this option has one serious downside: it would be abused like in so many other games. the biggest downside of this is the community and players themselves.

 

Abused how? You are not making any sense. Voting to kick AFK/leeching players? Entire team has to agree before one is booted out. In what manner is this option going to be abused?

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The vote kicking has been discussed here multiple times and it still hasn't been added. Grimoir is right that it would be abused.

1) If the 5 ppl in group doesn't like your gear they would kick you even if your gear is more than enough to complete dungeon.

2) If the group is missing SB/BB ppl would kick and recruit until they get one or get bored.

3) There might be 5-man premades that would kick last player right before last boss just to troll him.

4) If all 5 others players have to agree with kick the afkers would join in party of 2.  So the vote kick wouldn't resolve the problem at all.

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11 hours ago, Dlacik said:

The vote kicking has been discussed here multiple times and it still hasn't been added. Grimoir is right that it would be abused.

1) If the 5 ppl in group doesn't like your gear they would kick you even if your gear is more than enough to complete dungeon.

2) If the group is missing SB/BB ppl would kick and recruit until they get one or get bored.

3) There might be 5-man premades that would kick last player right before last boss just to troll him.

4) If all 5 others players have to agree with kick the afkers would join in party of 2.  So the vote kick wouldn't resolve the problem at all.

1 and 2 already happens in F8 lobby.

3 Is just vindictive and far-fetched idea.

4 Is to prevent AFK. And not reward AFK players.

 

This vote to kick option is for LFP dungeons such as events. And to stop rewarding AFK players/leeches.

 

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The afk's are a real pest. If you really want to take advantage of this event on all your characters  then put in the effort of actualy doing the event like everyone else ..

 

And while votekick is an option, there's plenty of arguments for it and also against it. 

However, there is a much simpler solution. It's already being used in msp actualy, if you don't damage the boss, you get nothing. You get no box, no quest item, no quest update from the boss so it's pointless to afk.

 

You'll still take longer since you are 5-maning the bosses but at least the afk won't get anything. And yes I'm fully aware ppl can still take advantage of this system but in my humble opinion they would be less inclined to fully afk since they have to be in the boss area, so they might aswel help out while there.

 

There's probably no foolproof system for it but something is better than nothing. Now all we can do is report them through support, u get a generic response that they will investigate but who knows if anything actualy happens or if it just gets tossed in the bin.

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I wish there was an easier way as well, but vote-kicking in dungeon has infamously always been a complete disaster.

 

If you join a party of friends, they can boot you out after loot drops to take the item and leave you SOL

They can kick because they decide they don't like you or that you don't do enough dps to please them, take one look at your ~parse and just toss you right out!

There are just so many reasons that people use vote-kicking (while online) in very bad and mean ways

 

Think about it honestly. How often do you see players speaking nicely to each other VS fighting? NA/EU cannot handle having any kind of power over each other whatsoever. No offense! But you're just a very very mean playerbase. Everyone always thinks they're the star of the show and that everyone else is wrong or in the way. So no, it cannot be trusted to be implemented in these regions.

 

Instead, screenshot and send in a report when you see a player afk.

Be sure to ask though why they're afk, see if you can get them to talk...give them a little time at first.

Don't chimp out the minute they stop moving-maybe their cat jumped on the table. Maybe they heard a crash. Maybe they were trying very hard to hold in their pee but they felt the walls of their bladder closing in. Maybe their parent or spouse came in and they had to go get that annoying greet out of the way. So, don't get angry the millisecond you see them stop moving! Give it a few minutes, ask "hey are you there? if you're afk I'll have to report.."  still nothing? Ok, screenshot it. Report it after you've completed the dungeon/event run.

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You can't VK players during loot auction same with offline players. THEY means 5 people if you managed to ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ off 5 random people that is on you.

 

How is this different being in a weekly party where one person has the power to decide who is in or out? 

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10 hours ago, Miss Fortune said:

1 and 2 already happens in F8 lobby.
3 Is just vindictive and far-fetched idea.
4 Is to prevent AFK. And not reward AFK players.

This vote to kick option is for LFP dungeons such as events. And to stop rewarding AFK players/leeches.

1 and 2) - that's true, but currently there is still an option to hit the LFG button and try to complete the dungeon with the group you get. Your suggestion would take this option away and that would make finding groups to do dungeons for low geared players even harder.
3) that might be case and it might be rare, but it might happen and this suggestion would allow it.
4) And that's what it fails to do. If you have 2 afkers in group of 6 you will never get 5 votes for kicking one of them.

I agree that afkers in LFP dungs are problem but I think that vote kick system would bring more problems than it would resolve.
The better solution would be a report system that would automatically punish players, that gets reported in multiple runs. Before automatically punishing it might cross-check the report against log of reported players action in dungeon (such as skill usage, movement etc). The cross-checking mechanism would make abuse of the system harder and the need of report from multiple runs would prevent the punishment of players that had to go afk due to unforseen circumstances but doesn't usually afk in dungeons.

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1 hour ago, Dlacik said:

1 and 2) - that's true, but currently there is still an option to hit the LFG button and try to complete the dungeon with the group you get. Your suggestion would take this option away and that would make finding groups to do dungeons for low geared players even harder.
3) that might be case and it might be rare, but it might happen and this suggestion would allow it.
4) And that's what it fails to do. If you have 2 afkers in group of 6 you will never get 5 votes for kicking one of them.

I agree that afkers in LFP dungs are problem but I think that vote kick system would bring more problems than it would resolve.
The better solution would be a report system that would automatically punish players, that gets reported in multiple runs. Before automatically punishing it might cross-check the report against log of reported players action in dungeon (such as skill usage, movement etc). The cross-checking mechanism would make abuse of the system harder and the need of report from multiple runs would prevent the punishment of players that had to go afk due to unforseen circumstances but doesn't usually afk in dungeons.

AFK is not a problem in weekly challenges. Why? because there is an immediate person that can kick them. 

You are so against kicking players. Yet it is allowed in a group of 12. I don't see anyone afking and leeching in a weekly challenge.

No real punishment for those who afk in F8. Reporting players to support team gives you a generic response.

 

 

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52 minutes ago, genbrutal said:

AFK is not a problem in weekly challenges. Why? because there is an immediate person that can kick them. 
You are so against kicking players. Yet it is allowed in a group of 12. I don't see anyone afking and leeching in a weekly challenge.
No real punishment for those who afk in F8. Reporting players to support team gives you a generic response.

But the situation is different with raids.

In raid group the leader can decide if he accept or decline if someone joins. If he doesn't like someone's gear he simply won't accept their apply so there is no need to kick low geared players or to kick to make spot for SB/BB.
Also the raid leader is responsible for who he kicks, if there is someone troll-kicking people from raids he will get known for it and ppl would block him/avoid his recruits. You can't choose who you are joined with when you hit LFG button.

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On 2/13/2019 at 9:12 AM, Grimoir said:

Because this option has one serious downside: it would be abused like in so many other games. the biggest downside of this is the community and players themselves.

 

Well, something has to get done about it. We can't have people sitting at dungeon entrance and reaping the benefits.

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8 hours ago, Dlacik said:

But the situation is different with raids.

In raid group the leader can decide if he accept or decline if someone joins. If he doesn't like someone's gear he simply won't accept their apply so there is no need to kick low geared players or to kick to make spot for SB/BB.
Also the raid leader is responsible for who he kicks, if there is someone troll-kicking people from raids he will get known for it and ppl would block him/avoid his recruits. You can't choose who you are joined with when you hit LFG button.

LFP will always be LFP whales will choose to help lowered geared players is up to them.

Let's face facts if you are baleful 12 with no elemental accessories you are looking for a carry you don't want to be partied up with 5 players the same gear as you are.

You are making it sounds like its a genocide of lower geared players.

 

Troll kicking is not even a thing. Nobody does this why will it be a trend when vote to kick option?

You need 5 other troll minded people to group and vote with you. :P

 

These are besides the point. Vote to kick option is gonna be used against AFK players or to prevent.

Its even hard to vote to kick offline players lol. The idea of troll kicking and lower geared genocide in LFP is just absurd.

+1 VK OPTION

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23 hours ago, Miss Fortune said:

1 and 2 already happens in F8 lobby.

3 Is just vindictive and far-fetched idea.

4 Is to prevent AFK. And not reward AFK players.

 

This vote to kick option is for LFP dungeons such as events. And to stop rewarding AFK players/leeches.

 

As someone who plays FFXIV during off times. #3 isn't as far fetched as you might think. There's more then enough horror stories floating around about random players being kicked when partied with a three player team made up of guildies or chat channel friends abusing the kick feature and active recruitment system to try and sneak their fourth friend in on the last boss for the rewards.

 

I do agree though something has to be done about AFK'ers (had two today alone when I was doing Realm Rift and YES is it annoying and frustrating). I feel the MSPP route is best. Where yo have to deal at least some damage to the boss to get credit. Maybe take it one step further and each stage of the quest for whatever dungeon is being done, players need to loot a phantom item from each boss chest to advance their quest instead of "boss dies, everyone gets credit". Maybe an auto boot from the game if a player goes by a certain time period of no keyboard or mouse imputes as well.

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20 hours ago, MassiveEgo said:

 

Well, something has to get done about it. We can't have people sitting at dungeon entrance and reaping the benefits.

contribution based rewards. In other works if someone does not contribute either gets kicked automatically or does not get any credit for the quest / loot.

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4 hours ago, Grimoir said:

contribution based rewards. In other works if someone does not contribute either gets kicked automatically or does not get any credit for the quest / loot.

That could work for the workshop and other gear neutral dungeons. But what about the normal dungeons where there are still people afking regularly, but also an abundance of monstrously powerful players, who can do 80% of the damage, leaving the rest with below reasonable contribution %? I mean it has to be both low enough for people to get it, but also high enough to offset afkers. 1-2% are not going to cut it here for obvious reasons.

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On 2/13/2019 at 2:12 AM, Grimoir said:

Because this option has one serious downside: it would be abused like in so many other games. the biggest downside of this is the community and players themselves.

 

Illogical, and quite frankly, a redundant argument. You say "serious" and "biggest" just to make it sound better, but really it makes no sense.

On 2/13/2019 at 6:32 AM, Dlacik said:

The vote kicking has been discussed here multiple times and it still hasn't been added. Grimoir is right that it would be abused.

1) If the 5 ppl in group doesn't like your gear they would kick you even if your gear is more than enough to complete dungeon.

2) If the group is missing SB/BB ppl would kick and recruit until they get one or get bored.

3) There might be 5-man premades that would kick last player right before last boss just to troll him.

4) If all 5 others players have to agree with kick the afkers would join in party of 2.  So the vote kick wouldn't resolve the problem at all.

Again, making predictions and "mights/maybes" that make no sense and you simply are in no position to speak for everyone. If that's NCSoft's viewpoint, it's pretty much taking action that's borderline punishing all for the chance that a few may commit the crime later. Blade & Soul already has one of the most toxic communities of any MMO, and most more successful ones have some kind of a vote-to-kick or anti-afk system that works for the game and it never receives nearly as much backlash as Blade & Soul does for having none.
For one, many people refuse to start dungeons with you if they don't like your gear. If you already managed to get inside a dungeon, then it's safe to assume the group is random. Random groups(joining the queue without a full group) in my experience, the people tend to be less geared and more tolerant of newer players, especially if they speak up. But regardless, you cannot predict or speak for majority of groups and say they will "abuse" the kick system. To say that many groups of 5, most likely random, individuals will all be much higher geared than the others that join, and then proceed to kick someone who is actually ready to be there. To say that 5 random players will have the same elitist mentality as some premade groups and kick because of no buffs is just silly, but at the very least, I'd suggest a limit of 2-3 kicks per instance. The odds of a group finding a buff with that last slot is so low, it doesn't make sense to assume this would be commonly attempted. They're all redundant and illogical arguments. If 5 random people all decide to kick one, they most likely have a better reason. Of course, that's not to say this system won't be abused, but how often you guys make it seem is just nonsensical. The benefit of being able to kick people who, for many other reasons, should not be in the group is far better than it is now.

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32 minutes ago, GodEnyo said:

Again, making predictions and "mights/maybes" that make no sense and you simply are in no position to speak for everyone.

He isnt making predictions. Its a well established fact that literally is the same way in ALL other games that allow a kick option. Some games i play even removed the kick option because it was heavily abused. So its not preditions its based on experience.  If you dont like certain people in your group you can make a party in F8 and decide who you want in and who not instead of LFP. Simple.

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On 2/22/2019 at 12:49 PM, Grimoir said:

He isnt making predictions. Its a well established fact that literally is the same way in ALL other games that allow a kick option. Some games i play even removed the kick option because it was heavily abused. So its not preditions its based on experience.  If you dont like certain people in your group you can make a party in F8 and decide who you want in and who not instead of LFP. Simple.

lol this already happens in DG lobby just gotta find the right people :P anyways its a good change rather than carry afk/leeches.

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