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Since general suggestion gone here. Guess I put this on PVE dangeons category instead.

Some of long list mixed suggestion below was even added in reddit mix below some abit similar. 
And some my own but in end just help community along the way in F8 biggest bottleneck from player community! 
So please read everything carefully NCSOFT since it is important to understand the factor on these issue.
But many of them does make sense!


1. " The most biggest bottleneck on F8 dangeon is the toxic AP req people asking 1.1k (these people most of them really not real
player just insider to spread toxic AP req and want other higher AP to then do samething as push for manipulation) even thought it is
really even possible to even clear decent dangeon even with 950ap with bt gear and ss. But this is not something that will help.
Because like the rest it becomes like this. And even quality of content is good the system that brings with is still have bottleneck
that effect the community itself. Game and community goes hand in hand. Both need to be balanced and try not make other one suffer.
In BNS CN long ago did add some guide system for dangeon mech least normal mode to directly link and check video for it so as story
quest. It got removed then thinking it became to easy.
But here is a suggestion. In youtube there already so many good guide that just waiting for people get viewed specially for those who
are new and doesnt even know they exist out there as guide.
We still know already that HM will still always be challange now. But for normal on other just to make it fun for everyone it should
be welcome even for new ones. Just if they can do decent learning curve on that dangeon. It also saves the time for people getting
bashed because they new or bad at mechanics.
By simply adding in P menu maybe a little guide line can do alot on normal. And that person even is his whale or new cannot be 100%
clueless give excuses that they dont know mech. You can clearly find it easily at P menu linking to popular youtube community guide.
For example you press: P -->Boss guides youtube link already exist. For maybe connection issue reason you cant click on link directly.
You can see link if ctrl+c or button copy link doesnt exist, you can still see full url link for that boss guide and write it manually
notepad then copy browser to just see the guide. Or if not in dangeons, since you dont want waste people time while you check video,
you can go F12 as solo and community menu for boss guides there is list of to copy and view youtube in peace. 
Just simple guide line like this you ensentives how important mechanics also is in the game. And you even provided finished link(from
youtube community) for people to go view and study it before attempting it on pratical. Any person that already playing game know that
guide exist for these bosses and you cant come into party with lazy excuse you couldnt find one on youtube etc. When there is youtube
link from community poiting you helping hand least for normal mode.
But maybe could least do this for dangeon Den - NS even to Sandstorm, other easier dangeon below may not be needed.
Ncsoft maybe have reason for not implementing copy+paste aviod spam etc so even if you need manually link guide P menu dangeon link
there already is provided to visit and URL can be manually copied then use browser to check it. This would be good
Because alot of people that starting to get near higher up dangeon maybe not afraid because they lack AP to join, but maybe because
the lack of mechanics and corridnation too. That what push AP up too sometime just for no reason even though you know that you could
clear it with lower. But it just how community or insider does it. This needs to change. If people hover cursor on F8 dangeons NCSOFT
should also put an AP recommened suggesion near Normal mode(like DT 750-900 or fix 850 this must reflect true counting only Sacred
Lang SS up to NS normal then later BT SS recommend+aps next boss descprip) and Hard Mode, just like the AP tree you see on P menu as
you go up list AP also shows on hard mode same dangeon. But since you havent put this on F8 dangeon discription people will ignore and
decide their own making it toxic. But if you put it in there liek BIG FAT NUMBER hovering cursor on that dangeon like DT normal AP
rec: 800AP(some can even clear lower correct party bb+wl etc), Hard: 950+ or so. And thats it. If people then try to ask for 1.1k+ (be
it if you get kick or not after). You can just then just say: "It says 800ap+SS langu, on DT F8 hover mouse... then it reflect to
that. And cant be dumbfounded by why even overratedly ask 1.1k+? 
If Big FAT AP numbers also added in F8 with AP then discussion end there. Be it if some say we want +100more ap to clear it fast or
know mechanics. It is still fact on discreption for a meaning of AP that you dont need more AP than that like 800ap DT is enough plus
1-2mech also is normal so some mech can iframed with min chance for wiping! Then no one could argue because both P menu and F8 menu
shows same thing and is hard to ignore if the fact is there! So put all AP recommendation on P menu next to bosses list on F8 both
hardmode and normal before you team up!"


2. "I know you just trying to provide new great content and even events latetly good which isnt something wrong or bad at all.
 I know sales and stuff also comes in hand with this no problem there. 
But how can game keeps it popularity to bring new fresh player if this things keep getting inflated in F8. Even trying to just do fast
normal mode daily run or so makes people frustrated because overrated AP requirments.
Its something that really in need to be solve for big reason! Except for the ingame bugs, 6v6 crash etc and such trying to solve tech
ingame. One of the biggest bottleneck lies inside the building community as well. Even though there nice people ingame trying to help
others. They cant help everyone and they also need to do their daily and gameplay limited time to enjoy sometimes. So its

Overall because alot of people that starting to get near higher up dangeon maybe not afraid because they lack AP to join a party, but
maybe because the lack of mechanics and corridnation you get into bad party. That what push AP. Even though high AP enough it still
happens time to time people your going someone lacking knowledge to do those dangeons. Yes you bought your way up. But now what? You
still need to do the dangeons mechanics. Or mid tier player know mech but overrated AP get them kicked out. Another thing is people
cant prepare themselves for something they dont know, new or clueless about or just getting kicked because they dont have that "AP".
So it comes down to mechanics bottleneck and try push overrated AP at F8 becomes to much and toxic.
It is always like this in f8 nowdays. And people even get into fights just to try adding parties some get kicked ho fun you think if
these things happens dialy in F8. When what comes to be fun and normal daily run becomes toxic situation because of AP req since you
can even see you pushed some of daily higher end dangeon like SSM, IF or Elair which was even 1k+ nowdays some even ask 1.2k+ which is
only normal mode right. And hopefully you havent ninja buffed these bosses(even if you made mech easier) after each patch but they are
as weak as all normal mode before when 1k+ was asked in F8. Thus in event with just 2-3ppl know mech enough to clear it even if some
are just few soul+ravens+1aransu user bring along maybe 1-2 newbie/beaf12 users to test dangeons out from random party. So dps stance
as slong as there 4ppl raven+soul user do bosses even if 80-90% left their dps should still be able to carry 2ppl lying dead in normal
mode in that 4player+dps rate ratio. And if 1-2 ppl die the rest can still make it before enrage like in NS, EL, IF, HH, DD!It should
least be that generious in that normal mode. 
Hard mode up to ransak exampe total 120k-150k/s +mech. Sandstorm HM should be mech+140k-180k min in 6total per players dps. That is
how it should realisticly be on NA-EU today: This is dangeons run which everyone welcomming even hardmode if you know 100% mech stuff.
On raid ofcourse like TT boss 1-2 200k-300k then 3-4 r9-aran3aweak soul 300k-400k+ in sustainble dps should be enuff which ofcouse
dips inaccurate during mechanics or lag+ingame factors but must be 100% clear, no early enrage manipulation-dps value on server side!
Trying push daily for higher end dangeon is useless if people dont have those gear or know how on dangeon 3 daily, so its good you
have some flexibality that can clear on low end effort side too for newbies.
Some people dont want get stuck there and want try higher end too.
So important since this grows day by day and patch after patches too pushing people further away if they cant reach it. So having some
of those solutions above of form of perm solution to this would be nice."


3. " You know who really started the toxic 1.1k+ or even earlier? That to doubt Insider aka so called goldseller. They doing this to
manipulate that your weak person and thus u need to buy your way up or else no one will join your party to do in f8. Also because of
this and other people new getting effected and ofcourse bashed because they dont know mechanics and are to weak as well. But how can
they start something or train for something(even if guide existed after) if they cant even enter than dangeon because of the weak gear
or AP. And people asking alot in F8 knowing fully that even set of 950 or as long as u going 50k-80kdps on normal mode up to NS-
Eb.lair is all that you need even at that point. So in the end it is the toxicty of the overrated AP than mechanics importance.

So if guide(boss guide) link did exist for people to be able to directly check on ingame least for normal modes. And from there if
they got used on normal mode, it ju becomes 1-2step more for hard mode. Like for example there 2-3more mech part instead of 1, some
part cant be iframed and if you miss that part it becomes WIPE. No iframe this time or floor indicator this time.
But since there is still some similarity to normal mode they become abit more at ease to attemp the challenge.
This would remove the huge bottleneck in F8.
The high AP requirment should least subside since 100% clearly there is link to boss mech ingame for people view directly from the
community. And thus everyone cannot be stupid enough to not know mech or press P menu and read it to the link. Even if your just doing
normal mode it wouldnt req the 1.1k+ toxity.
Why im saying this? Because even if u did add some kind guide links for normal dangeons bosses. You still see people F8 still asking
for 1.1k VT gear. But because of guide link provided by ingame community like Eckogen youtube channel it would make people much more
cormtable it exist link ingame and no one can give any excuse to not least read or found mech guide since there already exist link
ingame and there is already finished guide from people like eckogen (or just put ingame message guide P/F12: Youtube check Eckogens
channel boss guides he explain good). 
Least maybe up to least Hollow or DD. And even if you did add link guide only up to DesTomb only. Because people already know about
Eckogen channel linking them to get there. They can even see other bosses like DD SSMines etc for later on making them smarter and
realy along the way! Must admit there is truth to this.
Its all fun and game til you reach bosses. Now even though some dont tilt and try find solution. Other dont have time or just want
leave after 1-2 fails leaving you there wasted in time. And you cannot have fun to play a game if its always like this. That one of
reason why pushes people to ask for 1.1k+ AP or more become even more toxic! By taking 1 step up a notch ncsoft and providing a
community link boss/guide ingame should least make things fresh and brings even random or new people no excuse to not be able to do
mech least normal modes, it wouldnt do harm other stuff otherwise since u still need tackle hard modes later. OR somewhere along those
line to insentivse people arent stupid if some mech-guide-community link already exist ingame. "


4." Overhoul on friendlist. Why not make abit more flexible, that doesnt always in need to be joined within clans? More like where you
could if you want put people you have as friend on tab Raidlist or Dangeons list or verse versa. Reason this is just have F4 full
friendlist is kinda hard to find people to sort and find those you joined before dangeon or raids. And if you where happy and feelt
was great about those player you did random raid with or dangeons...they be put on favorite raid+dangeon list to sort from common
friendlist too.
You can also have fast filter check on list that if you need maybe tanks it show people who BM or KFM. Or buffers like WL or
In the end it just a way for people to be able organize their friendlist so you dont always run into random toxic may appear F8 if
those people are online on list. You can just call PM and ask if they want to do dang or raids because it easy to sort by checking
different Tab. Or once you added them in friendlist, you can move them to Raid or dangeon Tab or pvp etc. as become stronger ingame
you can still depend on the list. This also minimize problem and bottlenecks for people F8 if you feel no use to upgrade and only end
up getting booted even though your exp. But those people you run into joined and worked together wont be lost since you added them as
friend and sort them as dangeon teams."


The suggestions is added. And yours ncsoft final say. But do check ncsoft and which of idea does have great point on them.
And thanks all for reading some of these peoples suggestions!

You can even check more of the thoughts from other people one of great thread which has kinda sense to it. OP made vid for
 his message.

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Omg dumb forum doesnt work  properly LOL



Basically the one answer to that entire wall of text you put is:

You are heavily overdramatizing. Why? If someone makes a party in F8, and is the party leader, he can put in ANY requirement she wants to. If he wants 1,1k AP, he can put 1.1K AP, if he wants grand celestial weapon stage 6, he can put grand celestial weapon stage 6. Its HIS party not yours. If you dont fit the requirements, do not join. Plain and simple. If there is no party what fits your needs, make one yourself and put 1.1k as requirement. Plain and simple.  Not to mention it is YOUR OWN responsibility to learn about a dungeon, not someone elses. you can watch videos, read guides to get an idea on the mechs and what to do and not do. People ask for such requirements because players are too dumb sometimes and cant even stay within 10m of a boss and cause issues for the entire party, even a wipe. No one is required to hold your hand in dungeons, teach you, or make parties for you. Players take the ones in party that they want, you cannot force them to to take you if they do not wish so. All of the things you listed are actually a "You" problem and not a game problem, since you are the one that has a problem with players taking the ones into parties that meet the requirements of the group leader. Learn to make your own parties and not trying to join ones to basically get a free carry.


you can link your lobby to your friends, clan, region w/e and people can join. you dont really need a overhaul of the friendslist for that.


On 9/30/2018 at 3:00 PM, FlCosmin said:

F8 should be removed entirely it is one of the most terrible systems for party finders from all games i mean why do you need to go in a lobby to enter in a dungeon? why not make F8 a pop-out windows and LFP and make a party while you are on the Map?

Main reason is because F8 is Cross server. They couldnt make it work differently thats why it is like this. Plus this allows you to make your own custom parties with requirements, and not get paired with randoms who dont know crap about a dungeon and cause you wipes over and over.


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