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Alpha Call is neat, but only when:

-Your party has a soulburner/blue buffer to maximize burst.

-Your party has a rezzer so they can use party rez skill, giving more leeway in raid content, though you only tend to see this in raid.

-Resets protection skills, but I never saw people using it for this purpose.

 

In solo content, Alpha Call is just a useless Z skill that Gunner never uses. There are also no point to have two Gunner in party in term of party utility.

 

Alpha Call for PvP is only for PvP. It resets Tab escape, which you should never use a lot in PvE contents in the first place.

 

I suggest that there is a variant for Z so that it doesn't stand useless when your party composition is not ideal for Alpha Call. Something like:

-Self-buff: nuff say. Maybe generate faster bullet?

-CC contribution: gunner can add two bars of Stun/Daze/Knock down/Knock back, depend on what the current CC is on the CC bar. If no one starts a CC first, the skill itself does nothing, so it won't be another CC skill for pvp. This makes gunner more diverse in their CC contribution, and possible to deal 4 CC at once on their own.

-CC extension: gunner can extend the CC duration on the target. This skill should have been what Des/BD have (read their HM skill on Grab/Phantom Grip), but since there seems to be no plan for this, so why not just give to gunner? If fear of pvp abuse, make it only works on Boss-type. This will make gunner more useful in raid where they basically offer a grab but without losing their own DPS.

-Party utility: Gunner can pull Chi-recovery people/corpses to the position of Skystone. Similar to Assassin's taxi service (the party teleport flower). This pairs well with Summoner's cat rez to rez people in safer places.

 

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6 hours ago, Kozuki said:

-Party utility: Gunner can pull Chi-recovery people/corpses to the position of Skystone. Similar to Assassin's taxi service (the party teleport flower). This pairs well with Summoner's cat rez to rez people in safer places.

Assassin taxi doesn't work like that, I think you mean the basic purple flower that pulls near death/dead people to the flower including you.

6 hours ago, JoannaRamira said:

I'd be happy just to see Z that reset itself and bulletstorm.  That's the ultimate self buff.

not going to happen, it's already broken.

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Don't you think others have a skill or two that are completely useless in pve? ever tried using blitz as a bd to great effect in pve?

or assassins bolt strike?

or summoners... sorry dont play the class but im sure there's somehting, even in their 4 skill arsenal

what about soul fighters 2 skill? (the push)

perhaps the bm could get some use for all their flock abilities now that we're apparently buffing gunners :giggle:

perhaps kfm could get to use their rightclick dash for something...? or make use of tripplekick in pve?

 

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Gunners do have a useful version of AC, its called vigilance. Sure it may seem like a pvp skill, but its also a useful skill for PVE solo content. Ive seen some gunners get their butt saved by running content higher than their gear allowed in solo dungeons simply because when they made a mistake on a boss they were effectively able to reset their tab. It may say it gives them a 8s free tab but it basically also resets their tab. Having the ability for a freetab and being able to reset it is amazing. Not to mention the CD of the Z becomes significantly shortened when selected towards vigilance (down to 45s). People really overlook survivability in this game lol, probably why you see so many people with eternity belt 1 or 3 instead of 10. Im frankly jealous they can reset their tab like that

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Gunners Z is meant to be a party utility just like blue buff / soulburn.

It has minor uses for solo stuf but thats not what the skill is intended for. If you dont like it play a different class.

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