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PTS price should be normally 1000-1500g each

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thieve   

5 days ago 4 fail 1 succsess,2 days ago 5 fail 2 succsess,yesterday 4 fail 1 succsess,today 3 fail in row.WTF is goin on in this game?

Don't dare to say to me its about luck bla bla. They changed damit 50% rate I am sure about that.Guys this game will die soon with this greedy managment.

I am just payed to this game hundred bucks till now and I am god damit happy for that. I will never ever pay any dime to this game again.

They should be insane with this amount forcing players pay money to this game.Especially there is already many better games with too much better free2play options with true open world.

Not everyday in same dungeons doin same thing over and over and over again.Look that achievements...Says do 300 times same dungeon....Geez this is enough for me sorry....

I will only play this game when I bored from now...This is not a game...This is slaving more than many other better mmo games.Yes this is not grinding...This is just slaving...

Good luck to u guys.Have fun...

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I had a lot more luck with those. First batch managed to get 7/10, second batch first half got 3/5 and have enough mats for 5 more tries. Don't feel any luck in my fingers yet though.

These high prices are a godsend for my war chest.

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I'm playing 6 weeks. As of what I've seen... I wouldn't wanna stay any longer. This game is highly un-interesting once you get into mid tier... stupidly enough NCsoft let's high gear mats be the same as mid tier mats... this way the whales are forcing prices and mid tier is ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ed. 

 

I spend 35 bucks to much on this game honestly. It has been much crap. People frustrated because game isn't pleasant at all and that makes it a big shitstorm if you are not playing with people you know or friendlies. 

 

If they don't do anything bout this issue im quitting, period. 

 

Ps: I did 5 PTS transmutes and got 1 out of it. 1/5!!! that's wrong!

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12 hours ago, thieve said:

5 days ago 4 fail 1 succsess,2 days ago 5 fail 2 succsess,yesterday 4 fail 1 succsess,today 3 fail in row.WTF is goin on in this game?

Don't dare to say to me its about luck bla bla. They changed damit 50% rate I am sure about that.Guys this game will die soon with this greedy managment.

I am just payed to this game hundred bucks till now and I am god damit happy for that. I will never ever pay any dime to this game again.

They should be insane with this amount forcing players pay money to this game.Especially there is already many better games with too much better free2play options with true open world.

Not everyday in same dungeons doin same thing over and over and over again.Look that achievements...Says do 300 times same dungeon....Geez this is enough for me sorry....

I will only play this game when I bored from now...This is not a game...This is slaving more than many other better mmo games.Yes this is not grinding...This is just slaving...

Good luck to u guys.Have fun...

 

3 hours ago, MajesticCuckRoach said:

I'm playing 6 weeks. As of what I've seen... I wouldn't wanna stay any longer. This game is highly un-interesting once you get into mid tier... stupidly enough NCsoft let's high gear mats be the same as mid tier mats... this way the whales are forcing prices and mid tier is ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ed. 

 

I spend 35 bucks to much on this game honestly. It has been much crap. People frustrated because game isn't pleasant at all and that makes it a big shitstorm if you are not playing with people you know or friendlies. 

 

If they don't do anything bout this issue im quitting, period. 

 

Ps: I did 5 PTS transmutes and got 1 out of it. 1/5!!! that's wrong!

Premium Transformation Stone - 570G(EU)

30 - SoulStones = 9.9G
8 - MoonStones = 68G
30 - Sacred Orbs = 90G
8 - Elysian orbs = 111.6G
4 - Transformation Stone = 67.96G

- Fee 15G


Total for a Try. 362.46G - Save 207.54G (If all Materials are Bought - Which is NOT Recommended)

1. SoulStone is Extremely Easy to get. Save 9.9G
2. Moonstones are Extremely Easy to get with higher gear and fairly easy with Story Line Gear. Save 68G
3. Sacred Orbs is fairly easy to get just by playing the game and doing daily quests. Save 90G
4. Elysian Orbs - Drops fairly easy from F20, Trial arena (for higher gear), Outlaw, Dungeons, Raids. Save 111.6G
5. Transformation Stone You can buy them (Crafting By Buying All materials you Profit (35.27G So it's up to you)
But Id Recommend buying, so you can use those materials into Crafting PTS instead.

By Collecting Materials you save a total of 347.46G 

Buying 4 Transformation Stones - 67.96 + Fee 15G = 82.96G per Try. Means you can do 6.8 Tries for the cost of 1 PTS.
Buying 4 TS + Ely Orbs - 67.96G + 111.6G + Fee 15G = 194.56G per Try. Means you can do 2.9 Tries for the Cost of 1 PTS.
Buying 4 TS + Sacred Orbs - 67.96 + 90G + Fee 15G = 172.96G per Try, Means you can do 3.2 Tries for the Cost of 1 PTS.



No one is Pointing a Gun at you and making you Gamble, That's why it's called a Gamble..., You can either collect materials and keep selling them till you reach the price of PTS.

Or you can collect materials which you got for FREE simply by playing the Game. and Use them into gambling. Now in Gamble you either Profit, or you go home with nothing. Same as you would go to a casino.  50% Fixed chance is a lot better then 30% what it used to be. Lot of People playing here for a Year or Two Years, If you expecting to come play couple months and be Top Gear (which is very possible if you put a lot of time into it)- without putting any effort into grinding or Money into Fast Progressing, then stop dreaming. The Funny fact is that EU/NA is least Grindy Region out of all Regions out there. You can achieve everything without putting any Money into the game. so don't even start that bullshit, I bet every person that has higher gear then yours is a whale in your eyes, because how can it be? right? must be a whale...

 

 

Question, if you know Aloooot better games then Blade and Soul, and Completely Free2play. what are you still doing here? I bet you still playing.

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Prices actually already 600g , sure next week 700g. The ppl who needs them cant afford them. Why is it gamble it is a Core item u need, its not the same as Sacred Oil where is it ofc nice to have and some point needed, but you need much more the PTS. Nobody wants to farm weeks to upgrade from raven 5  to 6. The prices on them went from like 400g idk 2 months to this. its ncsoft faul, dont event argue with your math. Even you do like 3 trys there is a high chance u get nothing. This things killed alot of games like Aion stop defending the system.

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Neog   

Moonstones and soulstones extremely easy to get? If that statement was true they would be much cheaper than they are today. Your maths are correct but your logic is nonsense.

And yes NCWest is making a ton of mistakes when it comes to materials.

  • First they created the non tradable versions (crystals) so they can add those as rewards from daily dash and other stuff, which is fine, but for many things (like PTS) you actually need the tradable versions, that makes the crystals worthless while the prices of tradable ones sky rocket.
  • Second they added the 5M xp charms, which is also fine, but instead of using something new or different to transmute them you need the most valuable materials (moonstones, elysian orbs, pet pods, sacred orbs, soulstones and evolved stones - all of which in their tradable version).
  • Third they reduced the drop rate of many of these materials quite a lot and when they drop they are the crystal version.

The best way to farm materials today is 6v6 which is whale territory, it is definitely not for non whales and/or higher ping players.

So my conclusion is, if you are rich in this game you will get richer, if you are not your only choice is swipe your card.

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22 minutes ago, Interlude said:

Prices actually already 600g , sure next week 700g. The ppl who needs them cant afford them. Why is it gamble it is a Core item u need, its not the same as Sacred Oil where is it ofc nice to have and some point needed, but you need much more the PTS. Nobody wants to farm weeks to upgrade from raven 5  to 6. The prices on them went from like 400g idk 2 months to this. its ncsoft faul, dont event argue with your math. Even you do like 3 trys there is a high chance u get nothing. This things killed alot of games like Aion stop defending the system.

well ofc its theire fault. There was just way to much changes lately

Taking away 20g option for juwels and elements -> drove price for Soulstones crazy

5 mil exp char m with 100 sacred orbs needed -> pewpew sacred orbs from around 50 silver to fcking 3g+

Introducing 5 mil exp charm with Pet Pod (tradable materials needed) -> increasing price of Moonstones and Elysians.

Taking away HM rewards for EC, DT, NF (you know which even ppl after 2 weeks of play can farm) -> increasing price of Elysians

Introducing Aransu 7-9 -> increasing demand for PTS, therefore mats -> again higher prices for Moonstones, Sacred, Elysians

In 2 weeks the next raid comes, bracelet comes (althoguh probably upgradeable 1 month later) will increase prices even more

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Interlude said:

Prices actually already 600g , sure next week 700g. The ppl who needs them cant afford them. Why is it gamble it is a Core item u need, its not the same as Sacred Oil where is it ofc nice to have and some point needed, but you need much more the PTS. Nobody wants to farm weeks to upgrade from raven 5  to 6. The prices on them went from like 400g idk 2 months to this. its ncsoft faul, dont event argue with your math. Even you do like 3 trys there is a high chance u get nothing. This things killed alot of games like Aion stop defending the system.

There are 2 Options for you to Obtain PTS. Buy From F5 or Gamble. It is you who decide what to take, Take a cheaper route and gamble and make profit, or Lose it all. or be safe and buy it from F5. and in those 3 tries it is high chance to get a success too same as there is a high chance to fail after all it's 50%/50%, 1 Success already puts you into a profit, and if your lucky and get 2 or even 3. which puts you in massive profit. 

 

3 hours ago, Neog said:

Moonstones and soulstones extremely easy to get? If that statement was true they would be much cheaper than they are today. Your maths are correct but your logic is nonsense.

And yes NCWest is making a ton of mistakes when it comes to materials.

  • First they created the non tradable versions (crystals) so they can add those as rewards from daily dash and other stuff, which is fine, but for many things (like PTS) you actually need the tradable versions, that makes the crystals worthless while the prices of tradable ones sky rocket.
  • Second they added the 5M xp charms, which is also fine, but instead of using something new or different to transmute them you need the most valuable materials (moonstones, elysian orbs, pet pods, sacred orbs, soulstones and evolved stones - all of which in their tradable version).
  • Third they reduced the drop rate of many of these materials quite a lot and when they drop they are the crystal version.

The best way to farm materials today is 6v6 which is whale territory, it is definitely not for non whales and/or higher ping players.

So my conclusion is, if you are rich in this game you will get richer, if you are not your only choice is swipe your card.

 

With the prices that are right now, you need like a month of casual playing to get to at least Raven 9. and even less if you hardcore. If you login to the Game and stand in town of not knowing what to do and where to start, well that's your problem. There are lots of Discord Groups where you can find a team and just go farm, And there are people who would take you to high end content too. But if you put no effort, then of course your best choice is to swipe your card.  

 

6v6 is best place to get Tradable Materials, but not best place for Non Tradable materials. You Don't need to be whale to go 6v6. don't even start with "nonsense", I do 3 wins on all alts everyday, and yet somehow I manage to do them with Baleful stage 1.  if you get in, In high gear team, Use brain while higher gear does battle, you defend. IF enemy comes, run around the statue till your team comes and interrupt if starts capturing, Depending on the map, different strategy you can do that will help your team, if too many enemies come run away, don't feed enemy. Your Kill will give more score to the enemy then the capture which will increase points over time. You Might not be able to earn Points as fast as a High Gear person, but you will earn points decently enough for your state. 

 

SoulStones are not extremely easy to get? I'm closing to almost 30k of them, and I don't even know where to use them. and never farmed directly for them either. 

Arena - Easy Way.

SSP - Easy Way.

TOI, 6v6, Daily,Pleb Raids. I don't even know, it drops from everywhere. Not as Much as Non-Tradable version, but still alot. 

I mean in worst scenario you can do Misty Woods Quest for SS, if everything else is too much effort.

 

 

Well and if you have Crazy Ping, Is only you to blame. If your playing from other side of the world.

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Man... sure would like it if they finally removed the "chance to fail" option from transmutation... pretty sure that'd solve a LOT of problems...

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Neog   

Sorry @SayhaSeer but you are assuming your reality is the reality of majority of players and therefore what you said is nonsense, yes soulstones are not hard to get but saying it is extremely easy is not right.

Last time I tried arena it took me around 10 minutes for each match on 1v1 and 3v3 I gave up after 25 minutes waiting and that was during a Saturday afternoon and for SSP you gotta play for the dominant faction and have a very good burst to even get the loot.

Casual players for me are those who play 1 to 3 hours a day, not everyday of the week and no way those players can go raven 9 in one month unless they are always getting carried or swiping their cards.

If your logic was right, the prices would not be where they are now, the more the prices go higher the more players will be inclined to farm and sell materials up to a point where they would be more stable, which is not the case. The only moments where we see prices dropping is during trove.

You might as well consider going afk during 6v6 (this way you will not give free points to your opponents) and consider it a strategy, in the end it is the team with most whales that will win anyway.

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You need to look at the main sources of each material (I'm talking about the tradeable, not crystal, since you can't make PTS with crystal):

 

- Soulstone: ssp, arena, toi. Ssp you need good gears. Arena you need to win, which means good ping + decent load time (so that you don't load later than your opponents). Ssp used to be friendly, but that was long ago, before the second server merge. Now you can barely touch it unless you are very geared. Arena has never been friendly for the masses as you need to win - which requires both good ping + low load time. Which many don't. Both options are very painful. Toi is so so.... At least it's not as painful as arena imo.

 

- Sacred orb: Daily quests, toi. Which means F8. Believe it or not, the majority of people playing this game use f8 for daily, which makes F8 the main source of sacred irbs. And with Sacred orb only drop from NS and up, and that the requirement for NS is now raven and/or 1k50 ap+, it severely limits the number of orbs generated per day. Back when even low dungeons still reward orbs, you can do them with multiple low geared alts and make 30 40 + sacred orbs on top of daily gold and materials. Now unless your alt has raven, you aint making any sacred orb.... If you have multiple geared alts then I salute you I guess. On top of that, the 5 million xp charms.... ToI  has never been the main source, but it is still quite decent to farm sacred orbs from. However yeah, you kinda need gears, so you can do on main and maybe one or two geared alts and that's it.

 

Moonstone: 6v6. This one is painful. Need good gears to actually contribute to the team. Or you can just go in and barely survive.... Good geared players who frequent the place have ran outta keys a long time ago. Mid geared or low geared players who have keys, are either or both, not interested in pvp or in being fodder for the strong. They are also not welcomed by many, especially the hardcore group - just read the complaints of those players on discord and subreddit. It's only fair that such players complain after all because they like the game mode, have invested for the gears and actually want/try to win, only to be ruined by low geared or inexperienced players who are just there for moonstones and don't care if they win or lose. Overall it's really stressful and there's little fun to be have.

 

Elysian orbs: Hard mode dungeon, toi. Hard mode dungeons require good gears and good teams, which sadly many don't have. Gone were the days when it was easy to grind from EC hard mode in f8 - which took significantly less gears than the latest dungeons. People who run with their crew I doubt they are willing to sell on f5. The thing becomes less readily available thus price goes up. Overall it's more painful to grind than in the past for sure.

 

I didn't list weeklies in despite all the said materials can also drop from them because you can only do them once a week and it's Rng on top of that, which makes them unreliable source. If you however disagree with me then you can add weeklies in as well.

 

Overall, as you can see, the materials have been getting harder and harder to grind. They require more and more optimal condition in order to get them - having a group to do hard mode, having the gears, the ping, the load time for pvp... They are more and more becoming a chore. I mean it's so punishing and discouraging... I mean grinding has never been about fun and most often, it's painful - which I get. But it has never been as bad as now and only gets worse from here so ..... errr ..... I run out of things to say.

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2 hours ago, Fiana said:

you forget 1 farm spot, Yunsang

you can farm sacred orb and elysian orb in there

Yeeah, you need a bit of gears for that though. If you can't clear it in under 5-7 minutes, then don't even bother - since it not efficient farming then.

 

Sacred orbs used to be available to even story fresh characters, now they don't - and the 5 million xp charms are consuming a ton of them. You need them to craft empyrean stones, transformation stones, PTS. See how the price of these three things rose with each time NC nerfed the rewards from doing daily dungeon quests? When NC nerfed the first time, so that only DT EC NF daily quests rewarded sacred orb - it rose from over 1 gold to 1.5 - 1.7 gold each. Now only the daily quests of NS and up reward sacred orb, it became 2.3 -2.5 gold each.

 

With the story alts and other low gear alts no longer be able to farm sacred orbs - since not many alts can meet the raven+ requirement of f8 NS, the supply of sacred orbs dips. It's not helping now that new gears and new raids are coming out, which would increase the demand for materials and thus the prices by a lot.... So supply drops but demand increases, this price jump is logical conclusion.

 

The ones that get hurt the most are new or low geared players who want to upgrade their weapons to like raven 6 - since raven 3 - raven 6 start demanding PTS. The gold in come for the low geared players remain the same, but the prices are ever increasing. The geared players would care but they don't have to care as much because they already can make gold more efficiently through end game content and as you said speed-run Yunsang. And if those players did the last trove then they undoubtedly would have bought many secred safes, which means they would be so very loaded by now.

 

I don't mean to be pessimistic, but objectively speaking, the market is getting worse by the day.

Edited by Thicc Stoccpot

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Fiana   

the key is not to rushing upgrade, you can take easy... it's fine to if it's take you 6 month to get raven 9, that's what iam do

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what do you expect from the company that has a huge number of destroyed projects? from a company that clearly does not care what happens on servers? a company that only sees money. Yes, the main goal is to earning money, but greed is sometimes higher than this. Instead of having from 100 players 500 bucks they prefer to have  300 from 500. 

 

you as an American localizer would take some studies from Walmart. ....more buyers = more cash but you are doing it all for a turn ... you just destroy your own busnes only because you don't thinking and you don't learn from your mistakes..  " We hung the ad in the storefront:   - we increased prices by 300% " - the result is visible.

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Nomade13   

Need remove unbound items from 5mil exp charm recipe to starting fix market. (All recipes with its for create bound items need be using bound items)

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