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Arohk   
6 minutes ago, RanMaster said:

*cough* 6v6 but who does that.

As for the MMO's, and other regions, it has already been stated before, that a lot of people don't really have the time to grind like what Director Tseng said.
And grinding for gear isn't exactly enjoyable either, that's why this game is slowly dying... =/ Heavy gear walls, mechanics are not taught in game, and RNG can be the biggest waste of time investment, thus a lot of people find other game to go to.

The last time i enered a battleground i got oneshot by everyone in the enemy team while my attacks dealt like 1-2% damage to them.

Totally pointless if there is no stat normalization like in the arena.

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Zekken   
8 hours ago, SayhaSeer said:

I did gained them for "Free". By doing my daily routations, By "Playing the game" - If all people had same mindset as you, No one would be crafting nor transmuting. 

You didn’t gain them for free.  It cost you time to get those materials.  You may not value your time at all, but it still holds value to everyone else.  The majority of educated people in the world have the same mindset as me because that mindset is called basic economics which is: widely practiced, widely supported, widely accepted and recognized.

 

People would still be crafting and transmuting because, to them, the positives outweigh the negatives.  People who go to work and earn a paycheck know the value of their hard work.  It still doesn’t stop some people from taking that paycheck to the casino or spending it on lotto tickets.  The odds of winning are against them but they’re willing to take a risk for a potential payout.

 

This will be the last response to you as it appears I’m wasting my time trying to educate you on basic economics.

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11 hours ago, SayhaSeer said:

Lets forget that other regions are more advanced into the game then EU/NA 

Lets forget that other regions has a chance to fail on upgrades.  that's why they have it easier to obtain materials/gold because it can fail and it can fail often...

 

Lets forget that even if they make more gold then us, That doesn't mean for them is cheaper. 

First play other regions then start giving facts. Because unlike you, I actually played for 2 years before EU/NA was released. 

When i quate you i try tell you that is bad idea making comparisons with other regions especially if you give false/incomplete information.

1- i dont forget and i dont see what is your poit!!!??? you just give me reason.

2- you ignore what i told you or you dont know what am I talking about?  

3- yea you are right "That doesn't mean for them is cheaper" and i dont go do the math to be sure.

4- like i say in poit 2 you ignore the facts that I gave you and you started to assume things that you dont know. sorry but i play on CN server is why i know they have a item that gives you 100% success and you can choose try your luck or have 100% success.

 

Here check this. It seems you no longer remember

is not on video so i give you 1 more information you can buy in F10 too

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Laura099   
On 1/15/2018 at 11:21 PM, SayhaSeer said:

back then it was 33%, Now it's 50%. It's not a hidden %%%%.

Your friend must have Legendary Memory to know how many EXACTLY she tried LuL. Besides trying ONLY 20 attempts in 1.5 years. When people do 10-20+ weekly...., How can you even compare when she only tried 20 times.... in 1.5 years! LuL. I bet all these 20 times were with 33%. Because it's impossible to fail 20 times in a row now...

Okay I agree that the percentage should reamin, crafting prem stones is on you. Its a choice.
But what you're saying is some top notch bullshit. 10-20 weekly? I get enough to craft 1-2 weekly, and im no casual player.
I farmed 600 moonstone crystals in 1 day. Geared up my summoner to raven 6 in 2.
Nearly maxed out my vt neck on my wl, not had it for a week.

But no way in hell am i able to get so many ely orbs so easily. Unless i Grind hard modes and/or yunsang. The droprate on sacred orbs is not that high either. needing 56, i got enough for 1 prem stone in a day farming something that essentially gives em like candy.

Maybe 5-10 i could believe, but you must have some top notch basement if you're willing to stay in it hour after hour grinding for those damn orbs

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6 hours ago, Laura099 said:

Okay I agree that the percentage should reamin, crafting prem stones is on you. Its a choice.
But what you're saying is some top notch bullshit. 10-20 weekly? I get enough to craft 1-2 weekly, and im no casual player.
I farmed 600 moonstone crystals in 1 day. Geared up my summoner to raven 6 in 2.
Nearly maxed out my vt neck on my wl, not had it for a week.

But no way in hell am i able to get so many ely orbs so easily. Unless i Grind hard modes and/or yunsang. The droprate on sacred orbs is not that high either. needing 56, i got enough for 1 prem stone in a day farming something that essentially gives em like candy.

Maybe 5-10 i could believe, but you must have some top notch basement if you're willing to stay in it hour after hour grinding for those damn orbs

10-20 Attempts i meant, Ely Orbs drops easy, Outlaw,F20,Trial Arena,Hard Mode boxes, Weeklies. Raids. have 762 Ely orbs saved up.

Sacred Orbs, good place to farm them is Toi, weekly, F8, I get 50 orbs per alt.  have 4k Sacred orbs saved up. And all from doing daily routine. have 57 Premium stones crafted in vault, Need only to upgrade to aransu 6 and i wont even have anywhere to use them untill new items arives. I like to play the game Hard-Mode way where you collect everything on your own without ever using F5 to buy something, So when people see a maxed gear char they think it's impossible he must have swiped card, Yet everything you can achive by playing, what people must do is stop trying to be better then others, have better gear then someone, or be jelly how others gear. even if they whale or collect their own, And just play game for them selfs at their own pace. and enjoy the game. and sooner or later they will catch up to others. Premium stone is nothing to other stuff needed later on

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On 17/01/2018 at 1:51 PM, Arohk said:

SSP is not dead, there are always people there killing the bosses at any time of the day.

 it's the fastest way to get soulbound stones and moonstonse, please enlighten us where else you can farm moonstones, k thx.

 

If you say weekly quest, i didnt get a single moonstone for the last three weeks.

SSP is dead, What it used to be and now it's dead, the only reason you see people in SSP is because they doing Battles for Evolved Stones, which is still the best place to obtain them, SoulStones crystals can be obtained F8 by doing daily things. got 7k without touching SSP, For Tradable version sure, But i prefer 6v6 more. As for Moonstones it depends which ones you need (Tradable/Crystals) For Crystals Naksun is still best way to farm them. As for tradable is 6v6. If you get enemy team with maxed gear and your team with balefuls that stands no chance whatsoever, Restart game join next one.  I do My weekly quests for Ascendance stones on all alts, or farm on main, You should never sell tradable MS nor make them into crystals, Use them for crafting/Transmuting, and you do not need alot of them, And by doing so you won't run out of them easily. i always keep 300-400 in vault for that reason while still gaining them weekly, You need ms for upgrades do naksun. for every person i recommend to have atleast 5 alts, especially for events, For Soul upgrades, Soul is most expencive thing to upgrade, more alts faster you upgrade. Started my soul at stage 7 did every event and bought only oils - getting 20-25 oils per event. easy way to True Soul. Having more alts also you gain more gold and materials from weekly pleb raids. Ofc some weeks you can end up with only 50 soulstone crystals and some weeks you can end up with 50 moonstones or 20-30 ely orbs, RNG. but your doing for gold anyway, 30g+++ Per alt. The person who is playing only main and the person who is also spending an hour on each alt will have triple income then only main, If you don't want to swipe card, You play harder. Card or no card, everything is achivable.

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Laura099   
6 hours ago, SayhaSeer said:

10-20 Attempts i meant, Ely Orbs drops easy, Outlaw,F20,Trial Arena,Hard Mode boxes, Weeklies. Raids. have 762 Ely orbs saved up.

Sacred Orbs, good place to farm them is Toi, weekly, F8, I get 50 orbs per alt.  have 4k Sacred orbs saved up. And all from doing daily routine. have 57 Premium stones crafted in vault, Need only to upgrade to aransu 6 and i wont even have anywhere to use them untill new items arives. I like to play the game Hard-Mode way where you collect everything on your own without ever using F5 to buy something, So when people see a maxed gear char they think it's impossible he must have swiped card, Yet everything you can achive by playing, what people must do is stop trying to be better then others, have better gear then someone, or be jelly how others gear. even if they whale or collect their own, And just play game for them selfs at their own pace. and enjoy the game. and sooner or later they will catch up to others. Premium stone is nothing to other stuff needed later on

Okay but not everyone ahs so many alts they can do this. We're not all boosted like you. You say they're the privileged ones, but you seem to be smacking your lips.

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On 18/01/2018 at 8:51 PM, Laura099 said:

Okay but not everyone ahs so many alts they can do this. We're not all boosted like you. You say they're the privileged ones, but you seem to be smacking your lips.

Because apperantly you need to be super duper boosted to level an alt right? ^-^ . Start leveling and you will have it too. But then again if someone doesn't want to give much effort in playing, they'll rather complain then do something o/ 

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On 1/19/2018 at 8:15 PM, SayhaSeer said:

Because apperantly you need to be super duper boosted to level an alt right? ^-^ . Start leveling and you will have it too. But then again if someone doesn't want to give much effort in playing, they'll rather complain then do something o/ 

I actually have 9 alts, 7 of which are done with 55, 4 of which are stage 9, 1 of which is raven 6. All have raven mats.
Does this mean it's quick work? No, it certainly does not. I've never had that much free time tbh, especially now that I have to farm moonstone crystals to get my necklace up.

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1 hour ago, Laura099 said:

I actually have 9 alts, 7 of which are done with 55, 4 of which are stage 9, 1 of which is raven 6. All have raven mats.
Does this mean it's quick work? No, it certainly does not. I've never had that much free time tbh, especially now that I have to farm moonstone crystals to get my necklace up.

You don't need weapon higher then Baleful 1, To do Weeklies and most of the F8 Dungeons. Ofc you can, but not needed. Freshly leveled from story mode is enough. Leveling alt takes what? 1-2 Days? (Depends on your free time) Spending a week only leveling characters which later will double your materials and gold income is worth it, Don't you think? The more alts you have the more gold/mats you will make. As for my self if i Count BT/Weekly/VT i make 830gold weekly just from doing weekly quests. on all characters and x1 VT, Materials not included. Of course farming BT or VT with multiple chars might not be possible, but doing weekly pleb raids and other things also big help. 

 

Those who choose to spend their real money to gear that's fine, it's their choice , it's their monet.

But if you don't want to spend money then prepere your self for grind, Just because others can skip their way easier with money, it doesn't mean ncsoft should nerf all upgrades and make it walk in the park. 

 

Having whales there are bonuses that you get too, For example F5 Prices crashes on Rng boxes/troves and other things, Which lets you buy materials needed for half price, get outfits/pets for half price, That doesn't sound bad. 

 

The only thing i bought in this game, Is couple Outfit from F10. ( because they keep adding old,ugly) And 2 years of premium, And even without them you can play just fine, But playing a game you like without supporting even a little bit is weird. 

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Kyrrua   
il y a une heure, SayhaSeer a dit :

You don't need weapon higher then Baleful 1, To do Weeklies and most of the F8 Dungeons. Ofc you can, but not needed. Freshly leveled from story mode is enough. Leveling alt takes what? 1-2 Days? (Depends on your free time) Spending a week only leveling characters which later will double your materials and gold income is worth it, Don't you think? The more alts you have the more gold/mats you will make. As for my self if i Count BT/Weekly/VT i make 830gold weekly just from doing weekly quests. on all characters and x1 VT, Materials not included. Of course farming BT or VT with multiple chars might not be possible, but doing weekly pleb raids and other things also big help. 

 

Those who choose to spend their real money to gear that's fine, it's their choice , it's their monet.

But if you don't want to spend money then prepere your self for grind, Just because others can skip their way easier with money, it doesn't mean ncsoft should nerf all upgrades and make it walk in the park. 

 

Having whales there are bonuses that you get too, For example F5 Prices crashes on Rng boxes/troves and other things, Which lets you buy materials needed for half price, get outfits/pets for half price, That doesn't sound bad. 

 

The only thing i bought in this game, Is couple Outfit from F10. ( because they keep adding old,ugly) And 2 years of premium, And even without them you can play just fine, But playing a game you like without supporting even a little bit is weird. 

Its not the fact of leveling alts that takes time(no one cares), its the fact of playing multiple alts per day, for dailies etc and all of this to gear one main.

Kinda funny how people who claim "you can gear f2p" don't realize people don't complain about the fact that you can or cannot, but that if you can you have to spend your whole life and time dedicated to the game. And guess what ? people have a real life to take care of aside of bns.

It takes like 2/3 hours (at best)do to all dailies on one char only. (depending on ur gear, ur computer, the moment of the day, etc)

The  problem is the dedication you need to be a minimum relevant as f2p in bns.

And the other problem is that you can't enjoy new endgame content right away unless you put that dedication into work (aka put a lot of hours per day for grind instead of living your real life)and you're doomed to enjoy it 3/4 months later when its nerfed and not relevant anymore (I don't mean in term of materials but in term of fun. When you see a trailer of a new content releasing u want to play it right away).

 

Whereas in other better games (and non p2w) you can play one character only, almost catch up to real endgame in a few weeks and having shittons of things to do, to enjoy, to personalize and to grind for a very long time even playing really really really casually.

Yes I'm talking about WoW.

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1 hour ago, Kyrrua said:

Its not the fact of leveling alts that takes time(no one cares), its the fact of playing multiple alts per day, for dailies etc and all of this to gear one main.

Kinda funny how people who claim "you can gear f2p" don't realize people don't complain about the fact that you can or cannot, but that if you can you have to spend your whole life and time dedicated to the game. And guess what ? people have a real life to take care of aside of bns.

It takes like 2/3 hours (at best)do to all dailies on one char only. (depending on ur gear, ur computer, the moment of the day, etc)

The  problem is the dedication you need to be a minimum relevant as f2p in bns.

And the other problem is that you can't enjoy new endgame content right away unless you put that dedication into work (aka put a lot of hours per day for grind instead of living your real life)and you're doomed to enjoy it 3/4 months later when its nerfed and not relevant anymore (I don't mean in term of materials but in term of fun. When you see a trailer of a new content releasing u want to play it right away).

 

Whereas in other better games (and non p2w) you can play one character only, almost catch up to real endgame in a few weeks and having shittons of things to do, to enjoy, to personalize and to grind for a very long time even playing really really really casually.

Yes I'm talking about WoW.

Doing Weekly Pleb Raids, On all alts takes like 1 day, Then your free for all week. If you have such a busy life, Why do you choose to play MMO in a first place, If all your going to do is complain how the game works, Especially a KR MMO.  If your life is so busy and you decided to play, Then enjoy how it is, Or go to your so called "Better Games". Have max gear in few weeks. Every game works different. If every game was same, It wouldn't be fun. 

 

Lets say they changed how the game works, You and other half of community maybe would find enjoyement in that, While other half wouldn't. So no matter how you would like the game to be there will always be people who don't like. Same for Every update or event NCsoft releases. You say WoW is so perfect yet go to WoW forums, People complaining same as in BnS. There is no game, That every single person is happy with everything, And looking at BnS forums, 10-15% People complaining. And mostly the same people. But anyway that's not the topic to be talked here. 

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Kyrrua   
il y a 46 minutes, SayhaSeer a dit :

Doing Weekly Pleb Raids, On all alts takes like 1 day, Then your free for all week.

Talking about dailies as well, and you have to grind your alts to be able to do all raids in the first place.

il y a 46 minutes, SayhaSeer a dit :

If you have such a busy life, Why do you choose to play MMO in a first place,

Cuz I like mmos ? cuz most of them so far unless they are KR don't require to be a full time job ?

il y a 46 minutes, SayhaSeer a dit :

If all your going to do is complain how the game works, Especially a KR MMO.  If your life is so busy and you decided to play, Then enjoy how it is, Or go to your so called "Better Games". Have max gear in few weeks. Every game works different. If every game was same, It wouldn't be fun.

Well first thanks god I have the right to complain on how a game works. that is how every game gets better (or worse when ncsoft don't listen to you)

Secondly, no worries I stopped pve since I'm not into grind for grind and the only way I would go back to it would be to change it and make it better, which is why I'm complaining in my right to ask for better things. "A thing not moving or improving is as good as a dead thing"

Thirdly, I'm not asking every game to be the same, I'm just saying the game system of WoW is far better, but I can also say the game system of ff14 is better as well.are they the same ? not really, but they are still better. again don't say what I didn't say. Of course wouldn't be fun to have exactly perfect copy pasta games, makes sense...

il y a 46 minutes, SayhaSeer a dit :

 Have max gear in few weeks.

Again (again) don't say what I didn't say. I said "almost catch up to real endgame" which doesn't mean max gear at all. Because if you want to be max gear in wow it means mythic raids which are done by pros & tryhard guilds but even as a casual the game system of wow is made so that you can enjoy ALL the endgame content as a casual and still have tons of things to farm before reaching the max gear. And if you're smart and friendly you can even do raids with some of those tryhard guilds for your max gear EVEN as a casu again.

il y a 46 minutes, SayhaSeer a dit :

Lets say they changed how the game works, You and other half of community maybe would find enjoyement in that, While other half wouldn't.

Here that's why we're always talking about lack of communication. Nobody knows if half, more than half or less of community would be happy if ncsoft changed things because they never listen at all and they do what they are told by KR devs. But I guess if theres countless topics about how rcs is hard or that the event is bad it probably means that a change is needed even if theres some other people who like it that way.

And anyway, theres already more than half of the people who complained and left the game through the 2 years as a proof that they don't like how the game works. I don't even need to prove it myself, its already done.

And don't start to say "its the same as any game, first theres the hype then it dies" no I'm also talking about long term, and even without the hype theres a lot of game out there that attracts everyday more and more people instead of losing them like ncwest.

il y a 46 minutes, SayhaSeer a dit :

So no matter how you would like the game to be there will always be people who don't like. Same for Every update or event NCsoft releases.

yeah, basic. that is how life works no problem. But not liking something and asking for a change doesn't mean you're wrong.

il y a 46 minutes, SayhaSeer a dit :

You say WoW is so perfect

Did I ? again I didn't. (stop say what I didn't say x3)There's a universe between the terms "better" and "perfect".

il y a 46 minutes, SayhaSeer a dit :

You say WoW is so perfect yet go to WoW forums, People complaining same as in BnS. There is no game, That every single person is happy with everything, And looking at BnS forums, 10-15% People complaining. And mostly the same people. But anyway that's not the topic to be talked here. 

Well since nothing is perfect the world is like this.

Btw what does 10%-15% or people complaining represents? explain the figure

Between 10%-15% of 100% of the population playing.

or between 10%-15% of 100% of the population active in forums?

Numbers have a different meaning according to how u manipulate them ^^.

 

All we know is that wow forums & reddit are far more active, yes because there are more players and why is there more players ? Cuz the game is better.(overall)

How would bns get more players ?

by being better as well (or interesting enough for a larger base).

 

 

But I guess we can go back to the easy "Hey buddy ! if you don't have a lot (lot (lot))) of time to invest or money to spend, then leave beause no one cares !"

eh ?

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1 hour ago, Kyrrua said:

Talking about dailies as well, and you have to grind your alts to be able to do all raids in the first place.

Cuz I like mmos ? cuz most of them so far unless they are KR don't require to be a full time job ?

Well first thanks god I have the right to complain on how a game works. that is how every game gets better (or worse when ncsoft don't listen to you)

Secondly, no worries I stopped pve since I'm not into grind for grind and the only way I would go back to it would be to change it and make it better, which is why I'm complaining in my right to ask for better things. "A thing not moving or improving is as good as a dead thing"

Thirdly, I'm not asking every game to be the same, I'm just saying the game system of WoW is far better, but I can also say the game system of ff14 is better as well.are they the same ? not really, but they are still better. again don't say what I didn't say. Of course wouldn't be fun to have exactly perfect copy pasta games, makes sense...

Again (again) don't say what I didn't say. I said "almost catch up to real endgame" which doesn't mean max gear at all. Because if you want to be max gear in wow it means mythic raids which are done by pros & tryhard guilds but even as a casual the game system of wow is made so that you can enjoy ALL the endgame content as a casual and still have tons of things to farm before reaching the max gear. And if you're smart and friendly you can even do raids with some of those tryhard guilds for your max gear EVEN as a casu again.

Here that's why we're always talking about lack of communication. Nobody knows if half, more than half or less of community would be happy if ncsoft changed things because they never listen at all and they do what they are told by KR devs. But I guess if theres countless topics about how rcs is hard or that the event is bad it probably means that a change is needed even if theres some other people who like it that way.

And anyway, theres already more than half of the people who complained and left the game through the 2 years as a proof that they don't like how the game works. I don't even need to prove it myself, its already done.

And don't start to say "its the same as any game, first theres the hype then it dies" no I'm also talking about long term, and even without the hype theres a lot of game out there that attracts everyday more and more people instead of losing them like ncwest.

yeah, basic. that is how life works no problem. But not liking something and asking for a change doesn't mean you're wrong.

Did I ? again I didn't. (stop say what I didn't say x3)There's a universe between the terms "better" and "perfect".

Well since nothing is perfect the world is like this.

Btw what does 10%-15% or people complaining represents? explain the figure

Between 10%-15% of 100% of the population playing.

or between 10%-15% of 100% of the population active in forums?

Numbers have a different meaning according to how u manipulate them ^^.

 

All we know is that wow forums & reddit are far more active, yes because there are more players and why is there more players ? Cuz the game is better.(overall)

How would bns get more players ?

by being better as well (or interesting enough for a larger base).

 

 

But I guess we can go back to the easy "Hey buddy ! if you don't have a lot (lot (lot))) of time to invest or money to spend, then leave beause no one cares !"

eh ?

Excellent point. You nailed it! 

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2 hours ago, Kyrrua said:

Talking about dailies as well, and you have to grind your alts to be able to do all raids in the first place

You Don't, you can do All 3 Pleb raids with baleful 1 and Solak accessories. 

2 hours ago, Kyrrua said:

All we know is that wow forums & reddit are far more active, yes because there are more players and why is there more players ? Cuz the game is better.(overall)

It's not the only reason why Reddit is more active, Even BNS reddit is more active then Here. and one of the reason is that here is alot of restrictions. What you can post , What you cannot, Post an image get banned for 24h, Say player name, get banned again for 24h. Ect ect ect. 

 

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Belphe   

This is for the people who think we shouldn't complain about the rate of transmuting PST and just tell us to buy them from market if we don't want to risk.

 

Do you realize that there are tons of people out there who constantly keep buying PSTs in market then keep reselling them in market for a much higher price? PST in my server literally costs 400+ gold each while it was 250-300 gold each before. I saw a player spamming in faction chat trying to sell 20x of PSTs so I whispered and asked "hows the rate?" and guess what? The player said he/she doesn't transmute them just keeps buying and reselling them for profit. So.. tell me how is this fair?? This is cancer.

 

I have to keep saving up thousands of gold just to do one or two upgrades on one item why takes me more than a month if not two or three, it's literally the only item that slows down my gear upgrades its so frustrating. 

 

Transmuting is not very rewarding.

Buying them from the market is complete rip off

 

I'd understand if they want to make a little profit since transmuting PSTs costs 200+ each so selling them for 250 or 300 is alriiight but it got to the point where they sell for insane prices now. 

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Heldegas   

As someone with insanely bad luck regarding PTS who just failed 3 in a row, and with a success rate of 1/13 over the span of a month (estimated value of 4800 lost gold), can I say that I totally agree with this ? 

 

There needs to be a way to make it 100% from materials. The market is so unstable that it's not even funny anymore. Especially when you guys make it appear in the hongmoon store and they drop to nearly 330 in F5 for them to be back up to 400 the very next day. It's getting ridiculous and with the new legendaries coming up, and materials already being a huge stop in progress, these Premium Transformation Stones need to have another way of obtaining.

 

Jaesung's 15 fails in a row video just proves how bad it can be. We shouldn't have to depend on other players selling them to us.

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Rastei   
On 16/1/2018 at 3:39 AM, DarkEstelle said:

you should take a look at this:

 and say that again.

 

he made 15 trys and got 0 stones out. even if you FARMED all these mats (which is work for several weeks btw its not that easy as you say) its a gold loss of 225gold here + the mats. if you would sell all these mats at the moment you could buy SEVERAL stones with the gold from selling. so this is just a really bad joke and his face at the end is exactly how you feel after that massive loss which is even harder if you farmed all the mats instead of buying them like he did because you just realize that you actually WASTED DAYS OF YOUR LIFETIME farming the mats for exactly ZERO OUTCOME.

Thats inadmissible in a game.. we play games to get fun from them not to work like a ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ing robot.  It happens to me and just atumatically unistall de game.

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