Enemy Silence

I'm officially done spending money with NCSOFT

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NightFer   
19 minutes ago, Enemy Silence said:

1. who gave you NCSOFT's cost analytics?

 

2. If people like me have no effect on the costs then who does? Free to play? 

 

3. You admit to spending money and doubling your investment, don't you think your view in opposition to my view is a bit biased? Why be that guy that waves his fortune in the face of the unfortunate? 

 

4. Do you really think your post helps anyone? You offered no solution, you offered no advice, you literally just came in here to rub dirt in my face. You may not know it, but you're a terrible person. Your entire motive was to add salt to a wound. Maybe that explains the smiley face at the end of your post. 

1. Its none of your business where I have my information from. But its a reliable source at least.

2. Your money in particular pays little to none of the expenses, but the combined funds of all the products NCSoft have does. So you have the same rights as everyone else across all platforms and games.

3. I just gave an example with myself who spent money, didnt get what I want (yes, I wanted the wings so badly and didnt get them), and still doubled the investment I got by the combined costs of the items I got. Call me lucky, thats how life works.

4. Do YOU really thing your QQ post helped anyone?

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3 hours ago, Beleth said:

"I'm never going to spend money on this game" 

 

Ahh... the sweet lie we tell ourselves until they put another very fancy set of items in one of those cash grabs and we blindly throw money at it and in worse case scenario there's always the forum where we can share our threats and frustration until next fancy cash grab event. 

 

This is to all displeased people.

 

Aren't you guys tired? The moment you press the purchase button it's ON YOU! The only time you have a right to complain is if they promised you a guaranteed item and you didn't get. If there's 100% to get an item and you didn't get! When you're buying RNG box nobody is giving you 100% success rate so nobody owes you a thing! Now get back to work and save up till the next event because we all know you're going to make one of those "opening 1000 event boxes" video.

 

 

You don't know me so don't lump me in with people who make false threats. To correct you, i never made a THREAT. I made a statement, there's a difference you should learn it but i'll help you by giving you an example. A threat would be, "change your business or i'll stop buying". A statement, like i made is, "I'm officially done buying". So you tell me how i made a threat? Learn to use words properly before addressing my topics attempting to put me in my place. You sound jealous of people able to afford those 1000 box videos, why even bring it up? Who ever said anything was promised or guaranteed? I'm pissed at the rates of failure and how outlandish they are for the price to participate. It's not worth participating is the take home point here. That's anti company AND anti consumer. 

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9 minutes ago, NightFer said:

1. Its none of your business where I have my information from. But its a reliable source at least.

2. Your money in particular pays little to none of the expenses, but the combined funds of all the products NCSoft have does. So you have the same rights as everyone else across all platforms and games.

3. I just gave an example with myself who spent money, didnt get what I want (yes, I wanted the wings so badly and didnt get them), and still doubled the investment I got by the combined costs of the items I got. Call me lucky, thats how life works.

4. Do YOU really thing your QQ post helped anyone?

This is too easy, i shouldn't even go in on you. 

 

1. and 2.: Your sources huh? Suuuuuure! I'll give you the  undeserved benefit of the doubt and play along. So you have the overhead from NCSOFT and you refuse to tell your fellow gamers if their money is being used properly because WHY? We still have shitty servers and bugs out the yin yang. You single handedly have the opportunity to whistle blow, but for no money at all, you choose to keep quiet? *cough* bullshit *cough*

 

3. Since you spent your own money and know where it's going because....."sources" (sarcasm and yes i did air quotes) i'll assume our money is going to the right places amirite? amirite? come on, you can let me in on the secret "wink wink" (rolls eyes)

 

4. YES! YES actually YES...my "QQing" as you would so juvenile-ly call it is raising awareness to not only people who are viewing this forum, but people in game who i'm saving from an overly anti consumer RNG event. Almost no one in my clan spent what they originally were going to, thanks to me. So YES....i helped save pockets. Now it's YOUR TURN. given you have sources and all.........who did YOU help? (plays jeopardy music)

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I will just share what i wrote in another similar thread regarding this whole case.

20 minutes ago, fruiteaterz said:

Before any1 accuses me coming off as rude please think before doing so and carefully read what i have to say about this matter. Im not sure whats with all these self entitled anger towards lootboxes within bns. Yeah the percentage of winning anything good is slim to non-existent. So what? Thats how gambling is designed and how it should function to begin with. 

 

Here is a simple scenario. Not sure if its lotto6 or lotto5 you play but imagine getting angry over lottery tickets you have purchased in the past for the number one prize based on the rationale that you purchased multiples therefore you ought to win the grand prize, only to find that none of your tickets won at all. Then because of that visit the lottery stall where you bought those tickets from, raging and complaining to the seller, demanding a recompensation for your losses. Don't you think that is beyond irrational? What makes you eligible to receive what you desire from a multitude of rng boxes? Or in the context of lottery tickets, what makes you eligible to win the grand prize? If you can give reasons other than risking more money to increase your chances by buying large stacks of lotters tickets/bns loot boxes then i'm all ears.

 

It is agreed by many that if one partakes in gambling, whether digital ingame, off-line horseplay and the likes, just because one put in more money, doesn't mean he/she would win. It's all rng, whether one likes it or not. 

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Beleth   
1 hour ago, Enemy Silence said:

You don't know me so don't lump me in with people who make false threats. To correct you, i never made a THREAT. I made a statement, there's a difference you should learn it but i'll help you by giving you an example. A threat would be, "change your business or i'll stop buying". A statement, like i made is, "I'm officially done buying". So you tell me how i made a threat? Learn to use words properly before addressing my topics attempting to put me in my place. You sound jealous of people able to afford those 1000 box videos, why even bring it up? Who ever said anything was promised or guaranteed? I'm pissed at the rates of failure and how outlandish they are for the price to participate. It's not worth participating is the take home point here. That's anti company AND anti consumer. 

No that's exactly what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna lump you with others because that's exactly who you are. One of those others. Who spend money on these cash grabs every time and think this time their luck will change but it doesn't so they make these "statements" and then end up spending cash again. Don't get pissy at me, get mad at yourself for falling for their scheme. You participate into gambling and then you have complaints because you played yourself big time. Smart people know to stay away from those boxes but people like you take a risk and usually end up on a losing side. 

 

Anyway, if you're really done giving them money which I highly doubt, I couldn't be happier. Others should do the same and maybe then, just maybe we won't have these cash grab events anymore and forums full of complaints. 

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1 hour ago, Beleth said:

No that's exactly what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna lump you with others because that's exactly who you are. One of those others. Who spend money on these cash grabs every time and think this time their luck will change but it doesn't so they make these "statements" and then end up spending cash again. Don't get pissy at me, get mad at yourself for falling for their scheme. You participate into gambling and then you have complaints because you played yourself big time. Smart people know to stay away from those boxes but people like you take a risk and usually end up on a losing side. 

 

Anyway, if you're really done giving them money which I highly doubt, I couldn't be happier. Others should do the same and maybe then, just maybe we won't have these cash grab events anymore and forums full of complaints. 

That makes no sense. This is literally my first time taking part (for 100 bucks) in an RNG event and you're putting in a group with people that have already been burnt. You see how over reaching you are now? It'd be different if i was saying this a few months ago or even saying this last event. (which i only spent about 20 bucks) So what you'd rather me do is shut up and tuck my tail so NO ONE ELSE CAN LEARN WITH ME? 

 

My message is LOUD and clear. Even youtubers are making videos warning people NOT TO BUY. So i have no effect at all? You're severely underestimating this thread's view count and how many people (who may be sitting on the toilet) is reading my posts. Whether they agree with me or not, my message is getting heard. You're accomplishing nothing by attempting to down play my "statement" as a knee jerk reaction to failure. I'm most likely older then you and i can assure you i don't play those type of games. Just because i spent 5k on something i enjoy doesn't mean i'm some type of fool. 

 

A fool would be someone that does the same thing they've done before expecting a different result. I got burned once and said i'm done, yet here you are to call me a fool early. Allow me to make my mistake, voice my complaint and move the hell on. Instead, you're trying to shut me up like you work for NCSOFT hoping i'm all talk and can't wait for winter trove to make it rain again. I may have played myself but don't you dare imply i lost a damn thing out of all of this, okay? 100 bucks lost or thousands bucks saved? You saw my past spending venture, so you tell me if i really lost here!

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Beleth   
23 minutes ago, Enemy Silence said:

That makes no sense. This is literally my first time taking part (for 100 bucks) in an RNG event and you're putting in a group with people that have already been burnt. You see how over reaching you are now? It'd be different if i was saying this a few months ago or even saying this last event. (which i only spent about 20 bucks) So what you'd rather me do is shut up and tuck my tail so NO ONE ELSE CAN LEARN WITH ME? 

 

My message is LOUD and clear. Even youtubers are making videos warning people NOT TO BUY. So i have no effect at all? You're severely underestimating this thread's view count and how many people (who may be sitting on the toilet) is reading my posts. Whether they agree with me or not, my message is getting heard. You're accomplishing nothing by attempting to down play my "statement" as a knee jerk reaction to failure. I'm most likely older then you and i can assure you i don't play those type of games. Just because i spent 5k on something i enjoy doesn't mean i'm some type of fool. 

 

A fool would be someone that does the same thing they've done before expecting a different result. I got burned once and said i'm done, yet here you are to call me a fool early. Allow me to make my mistake, voice my complaint and move the hell on. Instead, you're trying to shut me up like you work for NCSOFT hoping i'm all talk and can't wait for winter trove to make it rain again. I may have played myself but don't you dare imply i lost a damn thing out of all of this, okay? 100 bucks lost or thousands bucks saved? You saw my past spending venture, so you tell me if i really lost here!

You're not the only one who got or is still getting burned and this isn't the first time RNG boxes  screwed players over so you're not warning anyone here, we all know how it is and that's precisely why I'm mad because people know what they're dealing with yet still keep doing same over and over again then complain and then do the same all over again. This is why I think your post is pointless because even though with your post there are few other posts about how these  RNG boxes are BS people still spend money on it and this been going for very long time already. 

 

You've learned your lesson good for you, but save your time and effort with warnings, it's just pointless. Also your topic has very misleading title. Nobody's gonna think this was your first time spending. "I'm officially done" means you've made such statements before but now it's official. 

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2 hours ago, fruiteaterz said:

I will just share what i wrote in another similar thread regarding this whole case.

Typical...okay...

Casino's don't offer any form of vertical progression. Casino's don't allow children under the age of 18 to enter. Casino's don't offer refunds. (yes i could get a refund if i dispute with paypal) Casino's offer monetary trade. Casino's take taxes from anything you win. (except vegas) To compare this event to a casino is just wrong. Gambling? yes! but gambling is not another word for casino. This company cannot use a casino's business practice and they don't. Instead they use their own form of anti consumer practice conjured up around 2007 in the form of microtransaction and double dip percentages coded by a random number generator.

 

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17 hours ago, Enemy Silence said:

i'm the type of person that keeps this game running. Do i expect to have the heaven's fall from the sky? NO but i do expect a reasonable trade off for the money i spent. What i don't understand is why you would rather have people spend money and hate it, then spend money and at least agree with it?..and fix your servers.

I have to agree some with the OP, sure he bought a ticket to a lotto, or raffle whatever; it is a game of chance; but one want to have some sense the chances are real. If the chances are so aweful; well publish them. Never seen a slot machine without a Chances/Payout table. And while I might spend $10-20 at most at a time, I'm surely no whale. It is those of us who patronize the gem store that, pay the bills, and sign the paychecks. However indirectly.

 

I think the OPs real point was to say to the devs nothing more than, "Dont bite the hand that feeds you." And dont feel to sorry for yourself about what follows if you do.

 

 

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@Enemy Silence man, i want to salute you for being here and for having the right answer/reply to give to our fellow players attacking you in this post. I couldn't agree more with you! Also, want to say thank you for your post, i just wish i saw this earlier so i wouldn't fall for the same trap as you did.

 

Moreover, i feel the need to say this. Whoever is replying/attacking you here, i'm curious how much they actually spent on this game and how much value they got for their money, especially in this rng event. I bet they probably bought max 2-3 boxes and have no idea what you're going through exactly.

 

anyway, good luck. if you find a better game, let me know lol :D

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