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Zuzu   
3 minutes ago, MassiveEgo said:

@Zuzu It makes no difference what gear an alt is sporting (but for the sake of answering the question, the alt I use the most is currently sitting on 854 with all hepta gems I possess). And I have no idea how you came to that 50-55 number, when a full set of hepta, not even sparkling ones, sits on over 80AP total increase. And I'm currently wip on getting all my gems to sparkling brilliant heptas, except diamond and periot (cause reasons -cough- -cough- xD), which would result on over 100AP gain from gems alone. That can literally unlock lobbies for end game dungeons. But if meeting these dungeons would cost solid 120g/day, that would mean it costs more to do dungeons on alts, than to not play on alts. That's really uncool in an RPG game.

Where I got the 50~55 number was from the Heptagonal gems. I subconsciously added a 25 AP gem while replacing a Diamond Heptagonal because I just assumed that would be used in place unless you had a 35 AP diamond lying around somewhere so my apologizes on that.

 

But really, being put down between 750~800 AP isn't going to halt your progress on an alt. You'll still be able to do dungeons easily. Just because you make a lobby asking for 750+ doesn't mean you'll only get 750 AP players(even though being at that AP is still pretty damn high and efficient for majority of dungeons), you'll still get people of higher AP and can clear dungeons just as fast if you asked or joined an 800+ party.

 

Though I'm not condoning the change I'm just trying to look at the positive side from it since this doesn't exactly negatively effect me and my alts. Since I still work from the ground up on my newer alts and really don't use AP gems unless they get it from the Storyline now.

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Absolutely this is a dumb thing when they prevent mailing gems to alts - speechless

Who care about them gem's upgrade cost ?

When the problem is that how to get another Hongmoon Gem set for alts? They are not  drop nor craftable.

If you had to farm hongmoon gems from events like a horse for the bright future of all characters in your account, and now it becomes meaningless with that costs. What do you think?

 

 

 

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@Zuzu Well technically speaking, I view my gems as account assets. If they retain this insane transfer price, they will practically become char locked (because 20g per gem transfer is as unreasonable as giving a million dollars to a 12 year old and expect the kid to roll out a business that can gain back the investment money and double it in reasonable time). This brings down the "quality" of my alts quite a bit. I mean, those are AP, those are crit rolls, those are hp regens and what not. All these stats+effects and their presence impact how I play and what kind of damage I can dish out.
Also on another note - you'd be surprised how many low AP people are literally sharking for a lobby that won't kick them for high profile dungeons. The thing is, if you have say 890AP for DT, you can do the dungeon for (arbitrary number incoming/never measured since it never actually bored me) 20 min/ But when you take the gems out of the equation, include the sharks in, you suddenly start looking at over 30 min long runs. And you can't just kick people out cause they lack at least story gems as that's a sure way to gain instant infamy and make people avoid you. I don't know. You say you're trying to have a positive outlook on this, but for the life of me I can't find common ground with you on that stance xD

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6 hours ago, Puffys said:

They are telling us to quit the game. 

HAH! THEY ACTUALLY ARE TELLING US TO PLAY SOMETHING ELSE!   

 

IN GAME!

 

WAIT! WHAT!?!?!?!?!?

 

"Play MXM and we give you lame outfit in game we don't want you to play"

 

"Golf clap"

 

 

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This is a bad choice on NC this is just another reason not to level up alts.. I my self just started testing out some other toons was waiting on the gunner before I made my mind up on which to go with. We already have to pay extra for more toon slots. Most FTP games your clothes and achievements are account bound.. This will take away money that people would be spending on there alts .. its already so expensive just to keep up your main toon... so for me that is a paying member no alts for me or extra spending money BAD CHIOCE NC...

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Britt   

I am a 1 toon kind of person but was planning on making a gunner alt. Already have the draken acc, the leg weapon mats, was going to work on farming the Xanos disc but what's the point? The gem fee will be a deal breaker for me.

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Dotimus   
3 hours ago, RevivedTera said:

If I cant comfortably play my 9 alts I wont EVER BUY NCOIN AGAIN. EVER. Stupid move REALLY STUPID MOVE

 

1 hour ago, Britt said:

I am a 1 toon kind of person but was planning on making a gunner alt. Already have the draken acc, the leg weapon mats, was going to work on farming the Xanos disc but what's the point? The gem fee will be a deal breaker for me.

 

ya, because reducing gem upgrade costs to 1/3 is too hard on you...

i wonder if you read the page article or just stuck your head on the sand and came here complain

 

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4 hours ago, Dotimus said:

 

 

ya, because reducing gem upgrade costs to 1/3 is too hard on you...

i wonder if you read the page article or just stuck your head on the sand and came here complain

 

Reducing cost doesn't mean much when crafting those requires HM gems which are only obtainable through events, or by doing the gem transmute casino. You're talking as it everybody has all the hexa/hepta they'll need to make octa in their bank and are just sitting there and wondering when the patch will come. That is not the case my good man. Not at all.

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I got rid of my character bound 35 AP diamond as I was able to trade the 48 AP gem. My bad on that. I guess I should have realized it would be useful one day. BnS is one of the only games I have played that doesn't have an account warehouse. If I remember correctly, Aion, a NCSoft game, had one.

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Kyrrua   

Just the fact that you have to pay tons of gold to mail account bounds items (some are very expensive) is kinda stupid for me.

Same for the fact that you have to buy ncoin first to be able to mail lol.

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Leyren   

I think it is useless to increase the prices, although I don't understand all this flame here. I mean, most of you wouldn't even bother if the prices would always have been this high, so that you never had the option to freely move your gems around. It's not a gamebreaker.

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Lukka   

I just love how people are defending this move, all I see is just a big middle-finger NC$oft is trowing at us, daring us to quit or swipe.

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Dotimus   
2 hours ago, MassiveEgo said:

Reducing cost doesn't mean much when crafting those requires HM gems which are only obtainable through events, or by doing the gem transmute casino. You're talking as it everybody has all the hexa/hepta they'll need to make octa in their bank and are just sitting there and wondering when the patch will come. That is not the case my good man. Not at all.

i don't know about you, i never troved, but just by doing the story and the shitload of gem events from last year, i do have gems to get 2 sets of octas in my account if i wished to do so

 

and if you are that low on gems, just level up a toon, do the story (about 2 days to one week  depending on how lazy you are) and get a set of HM gems ) except the diamond, rinse and repeat...

 

oh, wait, probably you don't do the story and never ever got to the point of getting the gems and just came here bitching cause you can.....

 

soo...

 

no need of trove , gem events or anything else but level a toon to get HM gems to transmute, mail gems ( about 20g each set, not that expensive), delete char, create char, level up, get gems, ad infinitum.... and ya, i already wrot the mat costs for transmutes will be abou 1/3 what they were

 

some play the game, some others just come to the forum to ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ about changes....

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Bim404   
26 minutes ago, Dotimus said:

i don't know about you, i never troved, but just by doing the story and the shitload of gem events from last year, i do have gems to get 2 sets of octas in my account if i wished to do so

 

i call total bullshit, dont believe it a second.

 

If u play from start, u maybe can do :

1 octa citrine with heavy farm of Whirlwind event with at least 4 chars

1 octa diamond with VERY heavy farm of event (even with 9 char i feel a doubt)
2 octa amethyst with last Bassin event is the only reasonable one, still huge time consumiong and many alt involved (means daily challenge on 4+ chars and buy key with ncoin everyday)
not even 1 octa ruby, this wasnt a farmable event
not even a pentagonal aquamarine, it never came to event
1 octa peridot means 1st merchant event heavy luck then christmas event heavy farm on 6+ char

 

that's so so far from 2 full octa set, oh and remind me the amount of mysterious cristal u got without trove ? cause you would need 300+

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Kyrrua   

event for octa requires hard farming and a loooooot of time just to get on one character.

Not everybody has no life to get it on all alts.so what we did before was sending it everyday to alts to be able to do dailies and not be kicked.

 

" and if you are that low on gems, just level up a toon, do the story (about 2 days to one week  depending on how lazy you are) and get a set of HM gems ) except the diamond, rinse and repeat...

 

oh, wait, probably you don't do the story and never ever got to the point of getting the gems and just came here bitching cause you can....."

 

Now talking about the gem from story, I think no ones gives a *cricket* since you have it from story  OBVIOUS MISTER OBVIOUS and that's not the topic here, its more about the ap requirement, and you can't meet al the ap requirement in dungeon with just those 3-5 ap gems of the story.

 

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Dotimus   
51 minutes ago, Kyrrua said:

Now talking about the gem from story, I think no ones gives a *cricket* since you have it from story  OBVIOUS MISTER OBVIOUS and that's not the topic here, its more about the ap requirement, and you can't meet al the ap requirement in dungeon with just those 3-5 ap gems of the story.

 

one of MassiveEgo's problem was getting the gems themselves to be able to do the transmutes, which is a non issue as you know (except for a couple of them, the diamond is one of them) as i wrote and i dont really believe that everyone of your toons has all 6 gem slots open as in 9 toons i got 1 with 6, 2 with 5 and the rest 3-4, so, no, the most probable is you wont need a FULL gem set for all your alts

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YuriKat   

Outrageous. If you wanna match the costs according to the other regions then match the rewards as well.

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Bim404   

I actually have 5 chars, all with 6 slot, and that's a flat 78AP cut down from them (and i have stage 1 gems for all exept diamond , would be 100+ without), that means 3 of them are goin below the BT requirement for most raids, are loosing much efficiency in 6v6, lower stage in Infinite tower,  higher time in F20, lower rewards overall. Who cares about common dungeons rly, u can do everything with 750ap, that's not the problem at all.

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1 hour ago, Dotimus said:

i don't know about you, i never troved, but just by doing the story and the shitload of gem events from last year, i do have gems to get 2 sets of octas in my account if i wished to do so

and if you are that low on gems, just level up a toon, do the story (about 2 days to one week  depending on how lazy you are) and get a set of HM gems ) except the diamond, rinse and repeat...

oh, wait, probably you don't do the story and never ever got to the point of getting the gems and just came here bitching cause you can.....

soo...no need of trove , gem events or anything else but level a toon to get HM gems to transmute, mail gems ( about 20g each set, not that expensive), delete char, create char, level up, get gems, ad infinitum.... and ya, i already wrot the mat costs for transmutes will be abou 1/3 what they were

some play the game, some others just come to the forum to ❤ ❤ ❤ ❤ about changes....

1. You're an exception then. If you assume everybody is like you, you'll have to take a course on reason and logic.
2. I'm not that low on gems but most certainly don't have enough for a full octa set.

3. I guess strawmanning is a trend with people in this forum. Come back when you learn to make arguments based on facts not assumptions. But I'll entertain the notion that you legitimately don't know what you're talking about - I have seven toons, finished story on four of them, leveling the rest. So your point is void through and through. Next time build a jab that actually reaches the opponent. Maybe you'll manage to pull some aggro.

4. I'm glad you recognize your own participation in the forum. Self awareness can be really beneficial at times like those. [edit] If you decide to make a retort on this one, keep in mind it's not a sophism ;)

Edited by MassiveEgo

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hwalien   

I have 9 characters on different accounts all HM9 +

I use to play which ever I feel like playing but after Ebondrake Citadel update i feel more and more being force to play less character. after Basin update, I'm now only playing my KFM. BM, Des and FM. although this mailing fee will not effect me at all, I don't like how NC is forcing us to give up on our alts every time we get an update.

 

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Dotimus   
7 minutes ago, MassiveEgo said:

1. You're an exception then. If you assume everybody is like you, you'll have to take a course on reason and logic.
2. I'm not that low on gems but most certainly don't have enough for a full octa set.

 

>> oh, wait, probably you don't do the story and never ever got to the point of getting the gems and just came here bitching cause you can.....

 

probably is hard for you to understand sarcasm

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Kyrrua   
24 minutes ago, Dotimus said:

one of MassiveEgo's problem was getting the gems themselves to be able to do the transmutes, which is a non issue as you know (except for a couple of them, the diamond is one of them) as i wrote and i dont really believe that everyone of your toons has all 6 gem slots open as in 9 toons i got 1 with 6, 2 with 5 and the rest 3-4, so, no, the most probable is you wont need a FULL gem set for all your alts

In short you're saying what I'm saying, talking about gem through story like you did is useless. (Not insulting I mean theres no point talking about it ^^)

 

14 minutes ago, Bim404 said:

 u can do everything with 750ap, that's not the problem at all.

My heart. its crying.

Well in a sense its funny cuz in the paper with 750 you can do sogun/masts but even DT & ebon in normal mode.

You have to know the mechs and the run will take a lot more time than those on 800+

But in reality ? no one will take you under 800+ for those dungeons. (tho sometimes ppl recruit for 750ap but it takes ages to make the group and people leave, comeback then leave then comeback inside the room).

You don't have the time to wait 3 wipes for a run or explain the strat, you have to run the dung fast to get your dailies and farm it with another char.

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@Dotimus Well your sarcasm isn't well defined nor has the necessary structure to give itself away. 8/10 for the bail though.

In a more serious note - doing the story for gems is something I'm actually doing. But that's an incredibly tedious procedure in on itself and doing it, like what, 9 hexa gems for a brilliant sparkling hepta*3? That's 27 toons from level 1 to end of story basically. I appreciate that you pointed out the obvious by saying it doesn't take long for one toon. But we aren't talking about one toon here. If this game requires me to drop some 21 weeks just to get one set of (not even all of the gems I need from a set) gems, I dare say that's one hard bargain. Especially when tossing this gem set around is gonna cost so much.

Edited by MassiveEgo

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Cyan   

Hello all, 

 

after all of your feedback, we've worked with the devs to lower the amount of gold it costs to mail the gems so it is more appropriate for our region. Tomorrow when the patch goes live they will be half of what we originally posted. We have updated the news post to reflect the changes, which you can view here.

 

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Thank you.

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