Saksoy Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Is there a way to see the old style skill tree? Because this one sucks ass. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munifex Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Mark the "Show trainable skills" in top left corner and it'll be much easier to spec abilities. Even easier than the list one. If you don't have it on I'll also agree it's very bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstruck Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 just check the "Show trainable skills only", which means no scrolling since you've got it all on screen. And the old skill tree was kind of unfair. Now the only unfair thing is that low level gain more points in arena, loses less points and face weaker opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irisdina Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 17 hours ago, Moonstruck said: And the old skill tree was kind of unfair. Now the only unfair thing is that low level gain more points in arena, loses less points and face weaker opponents. lol. how old skill was unfair? it was 100% fair. and how unfair is lower lvl fight weaker enemys? in theory they are weaker too so... onyly thing which make sense in your post is this about losing/gaining more points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstruck Posted May 20, 2017 Share Posted May 20, 2017 3 hours ago, Irisdina said: lol. how old skill was unfair? it was 100% fair. and how unfair is lower lvl fight weaker enemys? in theory they are weaker too so... onyly thing which make sense in your post is this about losing/gaining more points. 1. How the old skill was unfair ? I meant that the boost you were getting via levels made arena way harder for a HM8 than for a HM11. Also, the purpose of arena is the make players without advantages (except class matchups). 2. How unfair is lower level fight weaker enemies ? They are part of the same standing as higher level, but their progression is much more easier for them than for high levels. Either split the arena in 2 rankings ("under lv45" and "lv45+") or make everyone fight under the same rules. A 1600+ lv36 summoner who loses only 6pts against a 1450 HM10 isn't fair. It's pretty much giving the low levels a free pass to gold or even plat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irisdina Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 but even now you have advantages of higher HM lvl. but now its not in skills but in AP which now give you much higher bonuses than skills in old days. And decide: once you said its not fair to made diffrent lvl fight, and in next moment its ok for you just becouse he can lvl up to gold fighting olyly ith low lvl players. You wanna lvl 30 fight lvl 50HM20 all time? for me no sense. Onyly thing i see which isnt fair is that more points gaining/losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirukaru Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 8 hours ago, Irisdina said: but even now you have advantages of higher HM lvl. but now its not in skills but in AP which now give you much higher bonuses than skills in old days. And decide: once you said its not fair to made diffrent lvl fight, and in next moment its ok for you just becouse he can lvl up to gold fighting olyly ith low lvl players. You wanna lvl 30 fight lvl 50HM20 all time? for me no sense. Onyly thing i see which isnt fair is that more points gaining/losing. these bonuses are not in PVP (arena) they are in battleground though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstruck Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 10 hours ago, Irisdina said: but even now you have advantages of higher HM lvl. but now its not in skills but in AP which now give you much higher bonuses than skills in old days. And decide: once you said its not fair to made diffrent lvl fight, and in next moment its ok for you just becouse he can lvl up to gold fighting olyly ith low lvl players. You wanna lvl 30 fight lvl 50HM20 all time? for me no sense. Onyly thing i see which isnt fair is that more points gaining/losing. As previously stated, the ap doesn't matter in arena... Also, who said I want to reach gold by farming lv30s ?? What I want is to make any level gain or lose the same number of points in arena depending on the points gap. In this elo ranking, points should be the only thing that matters. A level 50 HM20 who's got 1700pts should face someone of +/- 100pts and the same goes for a lv18 @1700pts. The ammount of points you get from a win should depend on the points difference between you and your opponent, not on the level gap. If a lv18 wants to be competitive in the PVP ranking, he should not be awarded an easier road to 1700pts, he should just level up and reach lv45 (which is fairly easy tbh). And last but not least, I previously stated that making 2 rankings (one for players under lv45 and one for lv45+) could be a solution. Because seriously, earning 6pts after a fight with a lv36 summoner who's got 150pts more than you in the ranking is plain dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irisdina Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 1. lets start from that i didnt said you want to reach gold by farming lv30. I just said it dont have sense for me to have that kind of matchups. 2. I agree with you that low lvl characters gaining more points is not fair and i said it from the begining (its onyly point of your 1st post i didnt writte about, and agree in previous one). 3. About AP = my mistake, sorry, but arena isnt onyly pvp in this game. there is battle groud and faction to, where you have AP, so... but still my mistake. 4. At start you didnt want 2 rankings, but said: " Now the only unfair thing is that low level gain more points in arena, loses less points AND face weaker opponents. " 5. Low lvl got matchup with low lvl is giving them enemys on same lvl difficulty. At least in theory, becouse game dont known if they are new players or is this new acc/character of some pro/good, returning/active player which wanna eassy wins and fast rank up. Looking at this i dont think NCSoft gonna make 2nd ranking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonstruck Posted May 21, 2017 Share Posted May 21, 2017 When I said weaker opponents, I meant it isn't in the +/- 100pts. Also, yeah, I didn't talk about having 2 rankings at first, because the lv30s could just reach lv45 if they want to have every skills. However, it's easier for them to get high in rankings while staying low level... I don't think it's unfair to ask for people to reach lv45 if they wanna get all of their skills tbh. Finally, we had both "arena lobby" and "battleground lobby" before the big patch, so I consider them 2 different things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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