Make Sparring Queueable

[Zerobeatx]

I'm wondering to see how many other people feel the same way, and will show their support to see if we can have this put in game.

 

Many Competitive game communities have a Ranked (competitive) Queue to test player's skills, and a Free to Play (Less Competitive) Queue.

We know Ranked matches are where the gloves come off ,and your skill is put to the test for rewards, and this is great to keep the Pvp community active to special items, gear, and unique clothing.

But for the few that are not quite at that skill level yet are kind of forced to partake in the Super competitive, Sweaty Rank matches. We know experience is the best teacher and the only way to get better at the game, but from what I've seen from fellow players are: "Hard to improve when I go up 10 and down 22", Or intimidate of the whole ranking system, because they don't want to lose their points or derank.

Blade and Soul lacks a "Free to Play Mode", yes we do have a Spar system, but it gets tedious in the Arena lobby spamming "LF Spar" over again.

So why not just make Spar Queueable?

You would simply Queue against other players waiting for a spar. This way player's can safely  Hone/improve their skills without the worry of Ranking/points, and once they feel comfortable head into a rank match to see their results.

I'm sure this will help get players more confident in Pvp they just need more practice ,not numbers in their face showing how bad they are.

 

Thanks for taking the time to read my Topic

Zero~

 

[Hinu]

The ladder is like that cause of the lack of peoples playing arena,that's all. Making a non-ranked queue is a bad idea,peoples would get to the rating they want and then just keep queueing for spars making the ladder even more dead. Besides,top players in said queue would constantly get matched with peoples they easyli outmatch creating frustration for their opponent and possibly making them quit.

 

Rating shouldn't matter much anyway,your class ranking is what determinate your end-season rewards. With that,some underplayed classes still get equal rewards.

[Zerobeatx]

4 hours ago, Hinu said:

Besides,top players in said queue would constantly get matched with peoples they easyli outmatch creating frustration for their opponent and possibly making them quit.

Queuing into Pro's in a nothing to lose mode would really help to the "Experience is the Teacher" Quote without worry.

 

5 hours ago, Hinu said:

Rating shouldn't matter much anyway,your class ranking is what determinate your end-season rewards. With that,some underplayed classes still get equal rewards.

Class ranking only goes so far, Yes some classes are easier to Rank up because "Not many people play them" (for a reason). This still won't help in anyway about who you Queue against or how many points you lose, and further supports my idea, Where you can practice in a mode with your underrated class to find way's to counter them.

[FrozenB]

5 hours ago, Hinu said:

Making a non-ranked queue is a bad idea,peoples would get to the rating they want and then just keep queueing for spars making the ladder even more dead. Besides,top players in said queue would constantly get matched with peoples they easyli outmatch creating frustration for their opponent and possibly making them quit.

Um....I don't understand your logic here. Even without the non-ranked quene, people would still do the same thing to keep their rating, they could just LF spar or go PVE anyways. It doesn't matter if there is non-ranked quene or not. Also, for sparring, there is no reward (rating or zean beans) given if you win or lose. I don't see why top players would keep on quene in non-ranked mode. It is just like the practice mode in 6v6, do you see people quene in there? (no reward = no motivation for skilled players)

 

Non-ranked spar quene mode is just for non-skilled players to get more practices. Even if they met a pro players once in a while, wouldn't it be a good practice? By the way, with the hacks and macros, I don't see how fun it is to PVP anyways. A person without macro has to press 10-12 keys flawlessly with good ping to hit 100-0 combo, whereas a person with macro just needs to press 1 button and watch the program instantly did 100-0 combo without mistakes.

[Hinu]

High rating queues are literally two guys fighting each others for  2 hours straight until one is tired and go sleep. There is just not enough players or rather ,enough high rated ;queueing at the same time. None of them queue for beans,obviously,they just either want to get their top 5 or want to  have GAMES ,most of the time. Back then,when game was alive,peoples would frequently derank and then climb back up just to have constant queues.  Nowaday,you can barely even do that simply cause there isn't even enough peoples.

 

You're saying you want ANOTHER seperate non-ranked queue which will split the small pvp community even more. If your argument is "practicing" constantly,then just queue regular and face againts peoples around your caliber.no point going into a queue that will basically flip coin a matchmaking vs  somebody way below you or somebody way above you in terms of skills because remember that said queue would have NO ranking thus making it completly random matchmaking. That's how you want it.

[Zerobeatx]

29 minutes ago, Hinu said:

You're saying you want ANOTHER seperate non-ranked queue which will split the small pvp community even more. If your argument is "practicing" constantly,then just queue regular and face againts peoples around your caliber.no point going into a queue that will basically flip coin a matchmaking vs  somebody way below you or somebody way above you in terms of skills because remember that said queue would have NO ranking thus making it completly random matchmaking. That's how you want it.

I don't see how this will split the pvp community even if they queue in rank match that high rating player is probably too high up for it to even matter, also player's will gain absolutely nothing from it as it currently is, player's will still have to go to ranked for materials, quests ,and such.

Not everyone wants to play for Rank competitive matches, but a better way to play just to play for Pvp fun, and currenlty BnS kind of forces that onto players.

Now for your question "Yes" you'll still have the option to type in the selected Character you wish to play against so it won't be completely random, 

[Hinu]

You're implying that spar queue should also have a ranking or some sort of mmr which will literally causes the same long-ass-queue-times problem ranked has except you don't get anything out of it. Are you aware of what you want? If nobody wants to spar when you say "lf spar" that's cause either 1. Everybody currently dueling would rather  go for ranked  or  2. There's nobody actually dueling so creating a seperate queue would resolve nothing.

[Zerobeatx]

I'm in no way implying a spar ranking Queue(no clue where you got that either), yes it will be random generated, but you will still have the current option to type the name of a friend you would like to spar against, or have the game search for a opponent for you.

2 hours ago, Hinu said:

If nobody wants to spar when you say "lf spar" that's cause either 1. Everybody currently dueling would rather  go for ranked  or  2. There's nobody actually dueling so creating a seperate queue would resolve nothing

I never said I wasn't getting spars in my previous post, I said it gets "Tedious" Spamming LF Spar in arena, but the spars are there. 

As for your 2 reason that's what the Spar Queue is for to get people more into the concept of pvp in general without worry of waiting for a queue because no one is near your rating, simply get an opponent just to play a game.

 

[Shuchin]

What I miss most is a way to practice against a certain class, but I cannot really complain because I never invested the time to "LF Spar" properly.

 

Most of the times, I would just use the normal queue for random practice. That way I get beans too. ^_^

[Zerobeatx]

9 hours ago, Shuchin said:

What I miss most is a way to practice against a certain class, but I cannot really complain because I never invested the time to "LF Spar" properly.

 

Most of the times, I would just use the normal queue for random practice. That way I get beans too. ^_^

That's what BnS really lacks is just a Casual match up for practice, and thanks for sharing your opinion

much appreciated =)

[Nekonata]

I don't see how ranked doesn't satisfy your random practice/fun needs. If you're playing for fun, it's irrelevant to you if you will win/lose rating, but according to your rank, you will get paired with players of similar skill, which should make your matches a bit more fun. You also get extra beans while doing this.

If you're playing for practice, again, you are matched to similar ranked players,  which should make your practice a bit more challenging, while still encouraging you when you do well in a match. Don't get discouraged if you drop in ranking, the game is just puting you against players of your skill again - sparring lfm would have same effect, but you wouldn't bang your head to a wall when you would switch back to ranked and someone from ranked just beat the crap out of you. + you get beans +compete for season rewards at same time. You don't need to feel any stress in ranked, just do what you feel like.

 

For sparring matches lfm there should be a bit more specific search (like choosing which class you want to fight, etc.)

 

Also, what we need is a counter in the lobby that shows how many players are currently queing in certain rating ranges so you don't feel like an idiot for waiting 15 minutes in queue for a single match.

[Shuchin]

thinking about it, there's actually a real drawback in using the normal queue for class specific practice, in that you are ranked according to your overall score, not specific by class.

Which is why I never get challenging fights against the classes I am good against (SUM, WL, FM) and too often get steamrolled by the ones I am not as good with (BM & BD mostly).

So having something like the trial arena would be very helpful, but I completely agree the player base is much too small to support that. If we had 10 times more players, maybe. :P

[N3ro]

On 13.3.2017 at 7:08 PM, FrozenB said:

Even if they met a pro players once in a while, wouldn't it be a good practice? By the way, with the hacks and macros, I don't see how fun it is to PVP anyways. A person without macro has to press 10-12 keys flawlessly with good ping to hit 100-0 combo, whereas a person with macro just needs to press 1 button and watch the program instantly did 100-0 combo without mistakes.

Mostly thats just bs. Pro players might eventually use macros for ss or some "tiny" macros that press 1-3 buttons really quickly, but not for full combos (and i dont support that either, but its REALLY hard to identify even as a decent player of the same class). Macroing full combos is complete bs, youre gonna limit yourself to no end as you HAVE to be flexible in your combos in order to outplay people and deal with groundgames and so on. I play sin and half of the combos i do are pretty far from the 'conventional' sin combos, because at some point you just end up doing a lot of different things as they work better for whatever is happening. Like skipping close shaves, because it does less damage and when you dont need to you dont close shave. When you open with x dagger, or 3 kd, or lmb stun without knockup and web, your combo will also inevitably turn out differently.

[N3ro]

2 hours ago, Shuchin said:

thinking about it, there's actually a real drawback in using the normal queue for class specific practice, in that you are ranked according to your overall score, not specific by class.

Which is why I never get challenging fights against the classes I am good against (SUM, WL, FM) and too often get steamrolled by the ones I am not as good with (BM & BD mostly).

So having something like the trial arena would be very helpful, but I completely agree the player base is much too small to support that. If we had 10 times more players, maybe. :P

About that.

 

I dont usually make things bold, but if its probably cause its a good idea!

 

It would be cool if the ranking would work differently and we had more stats. As in we get matched against sins depending on how good we are against sins and against bds depending on how good we are against bds and so on and then end up with 9 different ratings and those make our overall ranking. Not only would you end up with more even matches overall all less stomping and getting stoped, youd also have actual real statistic and know witch class you strugle against most and should train most. And youd also end up getting more ques probably with true class divertity and not just the same class over and over again dending on witch class is dominant in your current ranking range.

 

I dont really think sparing que is all that great either. Especially one without some hidden rating going on. Like, hearthstone has a 'sparring' que, however they still match you against players of your skill level and collection size maybe with some sort system that nobody really knows about. So new players dont get completely destroyed over and over again and rage quit the game.

[Shuchin]

I think it could work if the match-making was based on the "by-class" elo, but the total ranking was calculated as before.

 

In my opinion it would not work to calculate the global ranking as an average from the by class rankings as

 

1) you would need many more matches, at least 10 per class or so, before rankings would stabilize. More even if you need to climb to platinum.

 

2) Matches against rare classes would count more for your overall score, as they have a stronger influence on your by class ranking. Extreme example: 1 win, 2 losses against three SFs would negate 20 wins, 10 losses against 30 BMs.

[N3ro]

1 hour ago, Shuchin said:

I think it could work if the match-making was based on the "by-class" elo, but the total ranking was calculated as before.

 

In my opinion it would not work to calculate the global ranking as an average from the by class rankings as

 

1) you would need many more matches, at least 10 per class or so, before rankings would stabilize. More even if you need to climb to platinum.

 

2) Matches against rare classes would count more for your overall score, as they have a stronger influence on your by class ranking. Extreme example: 1 win, 2 losses against three SFs would negate 20 wins, 10 losses against 30 BMs.

Witch you can just make up maths to fix that. 3 games has only 3 weight to it while 20 games have 20. If youd have 1345 against one class with 3 games and one with 1420 with 20 games your have 3/23*1345+20/23*1420=1410 overall ranking

[Shuchin]

that's the same as keeping the current system ^_^

[N3ro]

No its not youd get matched against bds depending on your bd ranking etc.

 

Now you get matched against whatever class with your ranking and you dont know how much you play and win against x class either, except you keep track of it manually.

 

I dont know for sure if it would change all that much as 'good' classes are getting played more to begin with and so class diversity in your matchups probably wont change all too much, probably. Youd still have stats on how good you do against different classes witch is nice and seems easy enough to implement in like a day.

 

I think your class specific ranking should still rise a bit though if your overall ranking gets higher, but not by nearly as much. Just because otherwise playing against a rare class once and winning could even decrease your overall... Witch is stupid.

[PKaBoo]

lol sparring queueable is a HORRIBLE idea !!!!! lol

I prefer spar vs friends... clanm8s.... even via lfg for players that wants get better vs your class...

the whole idea is to PRACTICE !!!!

queue might bring bots into sparing as well for w/e reason lol