achika Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 supposedly this program is to stop hacking but all the bots and hackers are still around playing. so apparently it does not stop hacking. what I seen it do is hide itself like a virus, slow and stop my computer like a virus. makes it to where whenever I play this game, It's crappy experience. And whenever they remove it. The game functions like it should. Playable no lag, no problems. Exactly what is the point of this program. I'm beginning to think it's just here to steal information. Or, provide a nice big back door for anyone else to be able to come in my computer Through this program. I think this program needs to leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dode Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 why would they release a crappy update if they can't even fix it? shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassiveEgo Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 They'll eventually give up on trying to force this program on the players. The more they try to enforce it, the bigger the backlash will get, especially when we consider how much it cripples the performance on machines that aren't sporting top of the line i7s and accompanying entourage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSpirit Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Even my i7 4790k got crippled by GG, already said in another thread, they should remove permanently the Gameguard, and find another one to use if they really needs one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassiveEgo Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Well if they don't have it in Korean version, that goes to show that they don't need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XO Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Well what's weird to me is people have said they have had troubles with gameguard with their other games? But they keep trying to use it here? Like why?lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pkmdz Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Shade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeless Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Just because you see a bot doesn't mean system doesn't work. I bet w/o any protection we would be seeing only bots. Not defending anything you trying to offend :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassiveEgo Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Let's review the facts: It cripples performance - we are not okay with that; It has functionality which could be used for malicious purposes - we are not okay with that either; It has the potential to disrupt our privacy - I assume we are totally not okay with that as well; So in an essence, it stops some bots from playing, at the expense of ruining our comfort, which should be their top priority, by constant lag spikes and fps drops. It has enough rights to spy on us and no real warranties in place that it's not doing so (we can't just take the company's word for it. We aren't that naive I presume). So yeah... I'd say it's more of a hindrance than an asset. Maybe it's no problem for them, but they aren't the ones that get 70% fps drop and lag spikes and having their privacy at risk at all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsuzor Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Well the GG wasnt rly good idea in general it has already bad rep from ages ago that it doesnt do anything just uses your pc resources and lags the game, i have never seen a game where GG rly is working as anti cheat and somehow prevents cheating, usually its easy to bypass and u can cheat w/o any problems, as we can see there are bots, cheaters and spammers in game and GG doesnt stop em. For the best would be to remove the GG from client side and work on some security and anti cheat from server side. And i can give u good example Aion Eu had tons of cheaters and no GG and they where planing to put it in, but than there was a tool that was made by community to be able to detect so called no animation cheaters, it took some time for Aion Eu publisher to accept that tool, but in the end when they did cheaters started to disappear cuz that tool was accepted to be as proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashrem Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 GG isn't to stop bots. It's to stop cheating, and it's the only thing that can work because of they way the game works. The servers accepts input from the clients. For example: I cast SB, wait for it to finish, cast SB again, no cooldown. I'm spamming Dragoncall! The server will accept all those commands! "Look ma! I can fly!" Server will be like, "alrighty then, you have fun up there!" I imagine it's to reduce server load. The only way to stop that from happening is to have GG monitoring any weird input from the client. When they took GG out to do whatever they were doing, hacking went through the roof. Everybody could do it, not just the well versed. Sure, it doesn't prevent it 100%, but it is a lot worse without it. If they could make a program that didn't hijack your computer like a Ransomware, that would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryzz Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 They won't remove it while whales continue to spend money on the game. As a business their #1 priority is your wallet. If you want them to remove it you simply stop buying stuff. Apparently it worked for Aion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yolie Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 All I ask is that NCwest tell us what the net benefits are to using game-guard that justify the pain. Because, it is painful for them too. Maybe much more so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlockUndead Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 I've searched for 30 secounds on google to find an opinion, which perfectly fits into my thoughts. Im not shitting with Rootkits like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashrem Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 25 minutes ago, FlockUndead said: I've searched for 30 secounds on google to find an opinion, which perfectly fits into my thoughts. Im uninstalling this game till they remove it. Im not shitting with Rootkits like this. Cya man. GG is no more dangerous than using Microsoft Windows. You should probably uninstall that to and switch to Linux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlockUndead Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, dashrem said: Cya man. GG is no more dangerous than using Microsoft Windows. You should probably uninstall that to and switch to Linux. Dude, do u even realise what you compare ? U compare an entire Operating System which is most likely the only one which works completely fine, with a "anti hack software" which servs no purpose and is more damaging than helping you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiya Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 The ultimate problem here is NC is brazenly refusing to acknowledge the community on this issue. GG is a failure of a defence against hackers, it can be easily defeated using simple dll workarounds and its an untrusted rootkit by the majority of the community. Not once has NC even been willing to debate or reassure the community on this expecially since it has a tendancy to misbehave and interfere with the operation of peoples computers on some older systems. The real problem people have is twofold: 1)Why does NC keep insisting on using this effective malware even though it has a NOTORIOUS reputation for being unreliable, unsuitable for modern MMO gaming and completely defeatable by the same so called hackers and cheaters theyre supposed to be using this to protect players from. This isnt korea where the majority of gamers play from internet cafes the near entirety of the western player-base are playing with their personal computers and really dont appreciate this software being installed on their systems and causing problems for regular players and destabilizing their systems when the first thing cheaters do is bypass the thing. 2)Why do they fail to even acknowledge the community bringing these points up and repeately ignore threads that bring this up or make occasional side remarks about fixes coming when the Vast Majority want this thing REMOVED. It only causes problems for legitimate users of the game it certainly DOES NOT STOP CHEATERS because they've already neutered or disabled the thing before they even began cheating. It doesn't work, it certainly doesn't do what its meant to protect the game from and it's only good at reducing game performance and interfering with LEGITIMATE players and processes. Honestly there's little point in NC keeping this its actually in an ironic sense costing them potential customers and players because GG is making a mess of their computers and causing problems for noone but them. Hackers and cheater will disable and bypass this before they even begin messing around it protects nothing and blocks legitimate players. Above all its a rootkit and its the kind of software that people have hated for more than a decade since Sony's first screwup with it. This kind of software is 20 years past it sell by date its not suitable for todays gaming expecially a game with a damn good budget. If NC cant afford or be bothered to build in server end cheat detection or build anti-cheat measure into the game client itself and NOT a 3rd party rootkit they shouldn't be bothering to sell MMO's in this case. Refusing to even acknowledge the community on this issue is only inflaming the matter as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaMouseGW Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 I have only ever once experienced an issue with GG, and that was wit another game. What GG does is client side and it checks the packets sent out to the server and then again checks those sent to the client, and if it detects any anomaly beyond the normal it will either shut the game down (which is annoying and I believe a big part of the dcons in BnS) or it will notify NcSoft that something is going on that they should look at. There are a lot worse systems to combat cheaters, hackers, botters, and spammers, which we definitely do not want. I may have a high end machine with an I7 in it but I also have an extremely low end machine I tried BnS out on. The only problem I had was the game's visuals looked like someone drew them with crayons. I did a task search for GG and it showed that GG did not use but maybe 1% of the system processes, so its impact is pretty much nil. What I believe is going on with the slow people is they are attempting to run the game at higher than their computers can handle graphics settings. Turn them down some and see a big improvement, eye candy is not everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashrem Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, FlockUndead said: Dude, do u even realise what you compare ? Yes. Windows is constantly having to update security issues. Just using a browser on Windows without some sort of script blocker is like a walk through an alligator filled swamp wearing a beef jerky necklace. Mind you, there are a billion people in that swamp with you and only 500 alligators, but, do you feel lucky? It's like being afraid of leaving the house cause a car might hit you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlockUndead Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, dashrem said: Yes. Windows is constantly having to update security issues. Just using a browser on Windows without some sort of script blocker is like a walk through an alligator filled swamp wearing a beef jerky necklace. Mind you, there are a billion people in that swamp with you and only 500 alligators, but, do you feel lucky? It's like being afraid of leaving the house cause a car might hit you. Its like blindfolded leaving your house, passing a street. Because exactly thats what Gameguard is, it makes you so damn Vulnerable man, if you are too blind to see that, u most likely have no idea what exactly a "rootkit" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashrem Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 16 minutes ago, FlockUndead said: Its like blindfolded leaving your house, passing a street. Because exactly thats what Gameguard is, it makes you so damn Vulnerable man, if you are too blind to see that, u most likely have no idea what exactly a "rootkit" is. I know what a rootkit is. Just having one installed doesn't suddenly make you any more of a target though. Where are you going and what are you doing that is making you look like good prey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiya Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Just now, MegaMouseGW said: I have only ever once experienced an issue with GG, and that was wit another game. What GG does is client side and it checks the packets sent out to the server and then again checks those sent to the client, and if it detects any anomaly beyond the normal it will either shut the game down (which is annoying and I believe a big part of the dcons in BnS) or it will notify NcSoft that something is going on that they should look at. There are a lot worse systems to combat cheaters, hackers, botters, and spammers, which we definitely do not want. I may have a high end machine with an I7 in it but I also have an extremely low end machine I tried BnS out on. The only problem I had was the game's visuals looked like someone drew them with crayons. I did a task search for GG and it showed that GG did not use but maybe 1% of the system processes, so its impact is pretty much nil. What I believe is going on with the slow people is they are attempting to run the game at higher than their computers can handle graphics settings. Turn them down some and see a big improvement, eye candy is not everything. Unfortunately your wrong if you think its just people setting their settings too high. I've first hand experience of the crap this software can cause it actually can interfere with legitimate programs and processes I remember it wreaking havok on my own OS during the Aion beta to the point I ended up having to purge it manually from my system and using a crack to outright disable the bloody thing from starting in the first place. I even made it clear to NC then I was refusing to allow this sofware to run on my computer because of the effect it was having on it. In the end NC got rid of it ONLY because of being under the imminent threat of a massive amount of the community bypassing or threating to cancel their preorders because of the havok it was causing its the reason why I'm so hostile to this software. It messes with normal players not cheaters. I didnt even begin paying any money into this game initially until NC removed GG the first time. Then they kept bringing it back and removing it. They then brought it back but didnt update it for the best part of the year. Now they bring out the 64bit client and the same issue's that are wrecking peoples heads from before are back YET AGAIN. I mean seriosly is ANYONE over there in NCwest not learning yet? The penny not dropped yet? It doesnt work or do whats it's intended to do and its why I'm personally getting tired of this argument. All anyone wants is to play the game not have to fight a disruptive rootkit on their systems thats only good for blocking players rather than cheaters but how long does this have to go on for before someone in NCwest finally cops on and realise this isnt the right approach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlockUndead Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 12 minutes ago, dashrem said: Where are you going and what are you doing that is making you look like good prey? U seem to like comparing things, so here is one. Do u leave your house open if u go out? If no , why not ? It does not make you look like more prey, but if someone comes for your house, u will regret to think that nobody tried to break in. Because if someone does , he has no single problem to get in. I hope u get what im talking about and what exactly my point is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiya Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, dashrem said: I can guarantee people are running the game at above spec settings. Now your trolling! C_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashrem Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, Raiya said: Unfortunately your wrong if you think its just people setting their settings too high. I can guarantee people are running the game at above spec settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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