New patch and fm vs bm

[Captain WeebM@ster]

Can someone explain the logic of making the already worst match up in the game EVEN worse? why are they buffing the already top pvp class for the 4th time...

[Suna]

Those bm changes not affect pvp like in any way.  

[Avalyn]

4 seconds of conflagration 100-0 you anyways, why do you care if it's 6

[Stensatsu]

How do you think I feel with Warlock buffs as Des lol.

[SkFy]

Have to agree with this, doesn't make any sense at all..
Really wonder why they feel like FM needs to be nerfed and BM has to be buffed...

All I hear in arena is people QQ about how retarded BM is...
Didn't hear a word about FM this season... + where are they in the top pvp list lol? the highest is number 12 atm.... and the rank 1 a BM......... DAFUQ ARE U GUYS THINKING?!?!!

 

oh wait... I know the answer to that.. ur not..

[sinforlife]

12 minutes ago, SkFy said:

Have to agree with this, doesn't make any sense at all..
Really wonder why they feel like FM needs to be nerfed and BM has to be buffed...

All I hear in arena is people QQ about how retarded BM is...
Didn't hear a word about FM this season... + where are they in the top pvp list lol? the highest is number 12 atm.... and the rank 1 a BM......... DAFUQ ARE U GUYS THINKING?!?!!

 

oh wait... I know the answer to that.. ur not..

See the thing is, our server is just getting the patches from korean server. Just because our server dont have OP FMs doesnt mean it does in the kr server too. This FM nerf is bcas a OP FM Yoon Jeong Ho won the korean tournament season 1 2016. But we could expect some nerf on BM as well in sometime because after that on season 2 2016 BM HanJoonHo won the tournament. So just saying our patches relates to the purely tournament results of korean servers 

[SkFy]

12 minutes ago, sinforlife said:

See the thing is, our server is just getting the patches from korean server. Just because our server dont have OP FMs doesnt mean it does in the kr server too. This FM nerf is bcas a OP FM Yoon Jeong Ho won the korean tournament season 1 2016. But we could expect some nerf on BM as well in sometime because after that on season 2 2016 BM HanJoonHo won the tournament. So just saying our patches relates to the purely tournament results of korean servers 

Whatever the reason is... it's really lame..
It was already hard as hell this season and now they gonna nerf us some more while the class who is already raping everyone + their grandma's gets buffed.....

They should wait with these changes... there is no reason for them considering the number 1 at PVP atm is already a BM and FM's are not even in the top 10...

 

I don't care about what Koreans do, the way we got the game is totally different anyway.... they had much more time to farm their HM skills..

[sinforlife]

16 minutes ago, SkFy said:

Whatever the reason is... it's really lame..
It was already hard as hell this season and now they gonna nerf us some more while the class who is already raping everyone + their grandma's gets buffed.....

They should wait with these changes... there is no reason for them considering the number 1 at PVP atm is already a BM and FM's are not even in the top 10...

 

I don't care about what Koreans do, the way we got the game is totally different anyway.... they had much more time to farm their HM skills..

Just saying that the reason NA and EU got no FM in top 10 is because they dont know how to skillfully play FM. DO u know why china server, japan server , taiwan have no FM in the world championships? because they cant play FM skillfully. I do know FM is hard to master. Just saying korean server is the only server to have top FMs. And u cannot ignore the fact that this is korean game xD but yeah BM is OP as hell dont worry BM will get a nerf

[sinforlife]

6 minutes ago, SkFy said:

That dude is a cyborg, shouldn't nerf humans cause he does something.
Nerfing cause 1 person wins a tournament is ridiculous.

thats true hes a cyborg xDDD

but this one bothers me " nerfing cause 1person wins a tournament is ridiculous"

think about it in when only 1 warlock from korea rekt the whole tournament in 2015 world championships. it just just 1 warlock from korea that won xD and they had to nerf it XD well not to ignore the fact that warlock is a broken class.

And yes the tournament was not full of warlocks here as well and yet they nerfed it so i guess it could mean the same as if any class did

but ofc even the players of korean server still complain about it but we cant help it xD

[SkFy]

1 hour ago, sinforlife said:

1 hour ago, sinforlife said:

Just saying that the reason NA and EU got no FM in top 10 is because they dont know how to skillfully play FM. DO u know why china server, japan server , taiwan have no FM in the world championships? because they cant play FM skillfully. I do know FM is hard to master. Just saying korean server is the only server to have top FMs. And u cannot ignore the fact that this is korean game xD but yeah BM is OP as hell dont worry BM will get a nerf

Just saying that the reason NA and EU got no FM in top 10 is because they dont know how to skillfully play FM. DO u know why china server, japan server , taiwan have no FM in the world championships? because they cant play FM skillfully. I do know FM is hard to master. Just saying korean server is the only server to have top FMs. And u cannot ignore the fact that this is korean game xD but yeah BM is OP as hell dont worry BM will get a nerf

That dude is a cyborg, shouldn't nerf humans cause he does something.
Also nerfing cause 1 person wins a tournament is ridiculous...

If the tournament was full of FM's I could understand it, but it wasn't.

 

Anyway hope its more balanced soon cause been waiting so long now and it's only getting more ridiculous...

[Devilwithin]

BMs won't get nerfed afaik. When we get the legendary ss and amulets the classes will be balanced again because most of the classes will benefit from it and BMs will not.

[Suna]

Problem with fm vs bm is that it is actually favoured by force master in high level play. In low level it is highly favoured by bm. If they balance the game based on low level, some classes are gonna be op in high level play. In low level it works like rock paper scissors, but in high level any class can win any class as long they outplay and mindgame their opponent. 

[Captain WeebM@ster]

BM changes might not change TOO much but the FM changes sure as hell will (a lot less healing and longer cd on our 2nd guard break) 

11 hours ago, Suna said:

Those bm changes not affect pvp like in any way.  

items dont really do anything in arena 

 

1 hour ago, Devilwithin said:

BMs won't get nerfed afaik. When we get the legendary ss and amulets the classes will be balanced again because most of the classes will benefit from it and BMs will not.

I might be wrong on this one but i dont think being in the top 20 FMS for 4 seasons is "low level play"

 

1 hour ago, Suna said:

Problem with fm vs bm is that it is actually favoured by force master in high level play. In low level it is highly favoured by bm. If they balance the game based on low level, some classes are gonna be op in high level play. In low level it works like rock paper scissors, but in high level any class can win any class as long they outplay and mindgame their opponent. 

 

[Suna]

If you wanna see some high level game play watch this how fm punish this bm after trinket 

 

[SkFy]

6 minutes ago, Suna said:

If you wanna see some high level game play watch this how fm punish this bm after trinket 

 

So BM makes a mistake and he punishes him for it... whats ur point?

Also obviously a different version then what we have.
The BM damage is much, much lower then here.

[Devilwithin]

BM damage is the same over there. We got the same multipliers, they just don't use fire build for pvp.

[Suna]

We have all same hm skills than other regions.

 

" I don't care about what Koreans do, the way we got the game is totally different anyway.... they had much more time to farm their HM skills.. " That sentence make literally no sence. Koreans make the balance patches and all is balanced with all hm skills up. NCwest just copy paste updates here. All regions have pretty much same patch now. Only russian is bit behind from other regions. We are not getting additional "balance" patches because we did not have that much time collect our hm skills. 

[Captain WeebM@ster]

Thats all nice and good but i cant for the life of me pull this off with 170+ ping, the key to his first win was how damn fast he kept ccing/guard breaking him which is literally impossible for most eu players with these shitty servers. this sounds like the excuse people made for BMS in the PlayBNSclient(Unofficial russian servers that was around before EU launch) "hurr since Bevv and some other KFM actually made it to plat and almost won some tourny bm is not op" When literally 97% of the players in 1800+ were BMS i shit you not go look for pvp videos from PlayBNS server if you dont believe me. Just because one or even a couple of people got god like ping and are simply amazing at playing "x" class does not mean "x" class is balanced or not 

1 hour ago, Suna said:

If you wanna see some high level game play watch this how fm punish this bm after trinket 

 

 

[Suna]

It sucks if you have 170ms and in all seriousness if you have that high ping, you can never play this game at competitive level. Everything over 80ms is too much for pvp. But they can not balance classes based by that somebody have 170+ ms either. I wonder how you can even have that high ping because i can play 150 - 180 ms in na servers from eu with wtfast. In eu i have ping between 30 - 60 ms.

[Captain WeebM@ster]

Its not my fault i have this ping, i get around 60-70ms in all valve EU servers and maybe max 80-90 in  some other  EU servers. (I'm from Israel)

I agree they shouldn't balance a class just for high ping players, however they should not make a matchup that is SO bad that if you want to stand a chance of winning it you are required to have near perfect ping either

[Athaya]

8 hours ago, sinforlife said:

 but yeah BM is OP as hell dont worry BM will get a nerf

I can't wait for it. The level of retardation with "BM buff" is waaay too high. It's just unacceptable.

[Hirukaru]

16 hours ago, Stensatsu said:

How do you think I feel with Warlock buffs as Des lol.

Just stunlock a warlock the soulburn didnt change a thing in pvp. 

 

@Suna wonder how you get 30-60ms from the netherlands if I ping to frankfurt I get 15ms however in this game I get 150ms. (still blaming Ncsoft for their bad infrastructure)

[Suna]

26 minutes ago, Hirukaru said:

Just stunlock a warlock the soulburn didnt change a thing in pvp. 

 

@Suna wonder how you get 30-60ms from the netherlands if I ping to frankfurt I get 15ms however in this game I get 150ms. (still blaming Ncsoft for their bad infrastructure)

Maybe you are watching your in game ping that is not actually correct ping? In game ping show me 100+ all of the time.

[ARC1276]

So I just got back from sparring with a BM who isn't even using the right build for PVP. But however he's using fire build. If I made just 1 mistake the match would have ended just like that. Even if I didn't make a mistake it would still be hard AF.

 

When I was doing flawlessly, I won by a narrow margin. If he messed up, well....I deal a lot of damage. The problem is when the combo ends and he's not dead I basically loose the match.

 

 

BMs are like this now: Kill them in one rotation or die. Simple as that. You can't afford to f*ck up against a BM anymore because not only will they punish you for it. They will end the match faster than you can say "oops". And that is what really bothers me. That now FMs here can't afford one mistake against a BM or it's an instant win for them.

 

These guys need to be nerfed, and they need to be nerfed hard! I've been sick of loosing to these guys ever since the game released and now that they're God-like, I'm ready to quit and play Overwatch, or just PVP on my SF.

[SkFy]

10 hours ago, sinforlife said:

4 hours ago, Suna said:

We have all same hm skills than other regions.

 

" I don't care about what Koreans do, the way we got the game is totally different anyway.... they had much more time to farm their HM skills.. " That sentence make literally no sence. Koreans make the balance patches and all is balanced with all hm skills up. NCwest just copy paste updates here. All regions have pretty much same patch now. Only russian is bit behind from other regions. We are not getting additional "balance" patches because we did not have that much time collect our hm skills. 

Just saying that the reason NA and EU got no FM in top 10 is because they dont know how to skillfully play FM. DO u know why china server, japan server , taiwan have no FM in the world championships? because they cant play FM skillfully. I do know FM is hard to master. Just saying korean server is the only server to have top FMs. And u cannot ignore the fact that this is korean game xD but yeah BM is OP as hell dont worry BM will get a nerf

What I meant is that most people on the Korean servers were already hm 14/15 with full hm skills when they released these nerfs/buffs..
Here its still a lot of work to farm them, there its much easier...