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Moonstones drop on F14... really? Do I need a microscope to see it?

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1 hour ago, Jem said:

u wot? lol

 

Tell me, what class are you currently playing? Just curious.

Oh, summoner of course. I need every advantage I can get, heh.

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Windy   

The entire thing should be GUARANTEED drop MINIMAL. Because i damn hate that the stupid RNG shows mid finger to my efforts and let me with 1 moonstone in few runs.The devs need to adjust this situation not as a fake ''help'' but as a real measure for the entire lot of players that need to gear up and spend time and effort for this.Ain't gonna play 4 H in Mushin Tower for 5 moonstones ,this is ridiculous ,and since we can't do SSP -many of us -because the lag/freezes issue - i suggest the devs to have the decency to correct the ridiculous drop rate for some items that we really need.Make the game enjoyable ,not frustrating.I simply hate the drunken idiot (Naksun ) now and entire Mushin Tower area,as much i hate SSP. Not because i can't beat him .Because my efforts aren't REWARDED at it should.PLS ,NCsoft -stop treating us like clicking slaves and understand that this situation IS NOT FUN.

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Finally finally managed to beat Naksun. Got very lucky in the ice phase. Reward was 1 moonstone and 5 Mujin's NutZ. Never going through that hellish tower again.

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KingiDb   
10 hours ago, Windbrand said:

Reading is a great skill, you should learn to use it.

Lmao at "get new net or quit". Sure fund me a couple million to upgrade NCW's garbage servers, or develop some common sense to realize lag is not the player's fault. I prefer the latter route.

And make a video of your 400AP beating Naksun. Can't? Silence is a great skill too, learn to use it if you have nothing intelligent to say.

Gotta love these people saying retarded things like "you can solo Asura at 600AP" or "you can beat XX at XX AP", even though they can't do it themselves, they just say it to grow their e-peen.

i dont have any video but here a screen for you from my alt this char sits still at 400~

my guild mate farms naksun as destro with 440 ap so even meele can do this just learn the boss.

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Grimstar   

Windbrand is right tho, ofcourse there will be good players among us who can do naksun with 400-450ap, but thats probly like 5-10% of the players. Most people with 500-600 cant even beat naksun. I have to admit, i even sometimes have trouble beating him with my 650ap fm, he aint easy.

I'm in a normal guild, with average players, and there are alot of classes with 500-600 ap who simply cant beat him.

It's as Windbrand said, why put a midgame material as a drop from the hardest boss ingame?

 

People saying to do the seed event should think, what will happen if the seed event ends? Prices of moonstones will simply go up again.

I'm not complaining, i have a high ap fm, i can do ssp/naksun without much trouble. But lower ap players DONT stand a chance in ssp for getting a key (even if u get chest, it's still RNG), or doing naksun. Why not add moonstones to PvP? Since people who like PvP can only earn money with selling soulstones (which are 25s/ea atm), why not add a 100% moonstone income from doing the daily challenge?

 

I wouldnt wanna be a new player atm, cause it would be hell to upgrade your stuff...

 

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KingiDb   

you dont need to be good to beat naksun u just have to learn his pattern lol.

and naksun hardest boss ingame XD? even f13 is harder than naksun with 650 ap is naksun dead in 1 min before he even jumping to the middle lel.

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I play a wl whose at 594/597 ap (standard faire 55%crit/209%cdmg/201%acc) 

 

I haven't gotten to floor 14 yet cus I got ganked by the fujin/raijin....

Beeeeccccaaaaauuuuse I dont pay attn sometimes. Lol, i got too used to cheesing. I haven't touchd tower in like forever. Time for me to learn to fight q.q

 

I will probably get served by naksun

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16 hours ago, NightFer said:

 

1 hour o.0 I do 9-15 for less than 10 mins (yes, not every class can do it but still, 1 hour O.O)
Also NC still havent added the F13 ticket, so expect that. ALSO the fire will not be added in ANY version of the game just because its supposed to be challenging, just like ToI.

only for f12 you need 4-5 min regardless of your ap. So f9,10,11,13,14, 15 in 5 min? Pls... keep your lies for someone else.

 

PS: imo there are higher chance for moonstone in f14 and bundle in f15 if you do it at 1st try, without dying.

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Mucski   

I also suspect that drops in this game are timer related. The faster you can clear a dungeon the higher chance you have to get something cool. Live example of this my friend with his 750AP gets a 10-100moonstone bundle almost every 3rd run in F15. While I get 1 or 0.

 

I also ran gloomdross with my AP range several times (4man). All I ever seen drop was cat mask and a bunch of stingers. Nothing else from that awesome loot table.

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26 minutes ago, Mucski said:

CI also suspect that drops in this game are timer related. The faster you can clear a dungeon the higher chance you have to get something cool. Live example of this my friend with his 750AP gets a 10-100moonstone bundle almost every 3rd run in F15. While I get 1 or 0.

 

I also ran gloomdross with my AP range several times (4man). All I ever seen drop was cat mask and a bunch of stingers. Nothing else from that awesome loot table.

Could it be...that you are saying my extremely bad luck in this game is no  coincidence??? You might be on to something. I too have ran 4 man gloom a lot of times, like over 20 times, 4 man sogun over 20 times, 4 man mast over 10 times and never seen a Offai, Ember etc drop. Naksun drops 1 moonstone and 5 mujin balls for me. So if what you're saying is true, the rich gets ricker and the poor gets poorer. People who have legendary 700ap+ probably spend hundreds or thousands and Ncsoft might want to keep them in game by giving them better luck. I don't think RNG is true random luck since just like casinos, its digital made luck so can be controlled oppose to actual luck like flipping a coin etc. I hope its not true but i can understand why Ncsoft would wanna do this, best to keep their highest paying costumers happy.

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Grimstar   
14 hours ago, KingiDb said:

you dont need to be good to beat naksun u just have to learn his pattern lol.

and naksun hardest boss ingame XD? even f13 is harder than naksun with 650 ap is naksun dead in 1 min before he even jumping to the middle lel.

Which class are u playing? A summoner? then ye, naksun aint hard. I'm a 650 ap fm, and i cant kill him under 2 min so far.

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aSin   

14F is like 5% drop moonstone ...i dont think it is even 10%.

and 15F is like 15% drop moonstone ...its all about RNG ...if you lucky 1st run u got bundle 10

if not 10 maybe u get 5 moonstone out of it.

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13 minutes ago, aSin said:

14F is like 5% drop moonstone ...i dont think it is even 10%.

and 15F is like 15% drop moonstone ...its all about RNG ...if you lucky 1st run u got bundle 10

if not 10 maybe u get 5 moonstone out of it.

f15 is 100% chance for moonstone. Or at least for me so far

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KingiDb   
18 minutes ago, Grimstar said:

Which class are u playing? A summoner? then ye, naksun aint hard. I'm a 650 ap fm, and i cant kill him under 2 min so far.

my 400 alt sum beats naksun my main is also an fm and im farming naksun since 530~ ap got the achievment with 590 and now with 690 it just took me arround 1:10-1:40.

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United17   

Ask Grimoir supposedly he had 560 drop his 1st week doing it he said in another thread. Did it actually happen....no.

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8 minutes ago, Jem said:

Summoners should have NO problem doing tower.

I could do floor 9, but could not beat enrage timer on floor 10. I break all the boxes, but my dps is just not high enough. I do not have LMB HM skill (no access to HM pellet) so focus is a huge problem to build up to the sunflower.

 

been through 2 runs of Gloomdross 4m yesterday, both dropped seeds, but I couldn't bid, so, yeah....

 

moonstone prices are dropping though so it's not necessary to do this stuff, thankfully.

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Jem   
Just now, DomiSotto said:

I could do floor 9, but could not beat enrage timer on floor 10. I break all the boxes, but my dps is just not high enough. I do not have HM skill, so focus is a huge problem

No idea what you're doing wrong then. Summoner's can literally cheese through tower with cat grapple and sunflower spam. :/

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aSin   
1 hour ago, SilentOne said:

f15 is 100% chance for moonstone. Or at least for me so far

NO , it is not 100%

If I do 5 run ...there will always be like 1 or 2 run no moonstone.

You maybe lucky get it every run on 15F, but again it is not 100%, people usually call it RNG

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Rhy   

Just...learn his attack pattern...

 

He's so easy once you learn his attack pattern..just..stand there and let him do his thing, side step, block, Q your cat and watch...how is it hard? o.o

 

I could probably teach the fight to someone who's never played before as long as they can pay attention for 5 minutes...

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Jem   
1 hour ago, Rhy said:

Just...learn his attack pattern...

 

He's so easy once you learn his attack pattern..just..stand there and let him do his thing, side step, block, Q your cat and watch...how is it hard? o.o

 

I could probably teach the fight to someone who's never played before as long as they can pay attention for 5 minutes...

^ This.

 

My 420 (BLAZE IT) ap summoner alt literally cheezed Naksun. Just summoner cat Q or cc him, grapple and go to town on him with sunflower.

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2 hours ago, Jem said:

No idea what you're doing wrong then. Summoner's can literally cheese through tower with cat grapple and sunflower spam. :/

I have troubles making sunflower go into overflow because my focus management is unfortunate. Again, I hear that LMB HM helps, but I don't know how much. Without the overflow, and sometimes being stuck in the LMB grind to get the focus back up, dps is not exactly great. Summoner survives admirably, and is very easy to play, but I have not really get to the point of being able to reliably have it oveflow. Curiously, it procs very easily on mobs, but on the bosses by whatever reasons it takes a lot of time for me, and it tends to proc just as I need to get defenses up. Mostly it's the focus management that I find not particularly simple. In a couple of months if I put my time in, I can get the HM pill via arenas, but until then it's LMB, LMB, LMB.....

 

maybe there is a reliable way to proc overflow, but I have not manage to decipher it.

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Yunzu   

Not sure what's going on here, but like... Summoner is the one that can easily blast through the whole tower, in the reason of the well-known cat taunt and grapple. What's so hard when you can control Naksun more than 50% of the battle(except special phases like ice phase)?

 

Learn to control your cat against single target/humanoid or human targets which only require 1 CC... Naksun is no problem at all as a Summoner.

Fought him the first time when I was at 480APish, and of course, didn't manage to kill him the first time, but after a few times, looking closer to videos about strategies and how others fight, it gradually became easier to fight Naksun. The ability too look up things and learn is also key to success. Don't complain. Asking is better, or simply look it up and try out yourself.

 

Just fighting Naksun alone definitely isn't JUST fighting Naksun, it really helps you in future with other kinds of fights.

Well, that was a bit off-topic I guess, but once you're willing to move on and not complain but start to learn stuff, you won't complain, trust me.

 

There are tons of videos out there explaining almost every single detail about Naksuns patterns. Just go search on YouTube.

 

Good luck :)

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Grimstar   
On 6-8-2016 at 6:25 PM, KingiDb said:

my 400 alt sum beats naksun my main is also an fm and im farming naksun since 530~ ap got the achievment with 590 and now with 690 it just took me arround 1:10-1:40.

U got the title with a 590 ap fm? Tell me how u managed that? Atm i'm coming near the 2 min mark, mostly between 2.10-2.20 with my 650 ap. U have rmb specced on freeze? use impact? Or u just burst with force blast? 

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