Force Master Compilation of PvE Builds and Rotations (No Hongmoon Skills)

[Leroy]

Demo of various Forcemaster PvE basic (no HM skill) builds that serve as a reference point for aspiring or new FMs for endgame PvE content.

 

 

 

Burn Build 1: http://tinyurl.com/burnbuild1
Burn Build 2: http://tinyurl.com/burnbuild2
Burn Build 3: http://tinyurl.com/burnbuild3
Burn Build 4: http://tinyurl.com/burnbuild4
Burn Auto-Detonation Build: http://tinyurl.com/burnautodet
Burn Freeze Hybrid Build: http://tinyurl.com/burnfreezehybrid
Ice Build: http://tinyurl.com/icerainbuild
Modified Ice Build: http://tinyurl.com/modifiedicebuild
LMB RMB F Spam Build: http://tinyurl.com/lbrbfspam
Impact Burn Stun Build: http://tinyurl.com/impactburnstun
AoE Build: http://tinyurl.com/fullaoebuild

[Racingwind]

I know that it's a compilation, and not to say that you are using it yourself. But.... WHY is auto-det listed..... Inspiring new FMs is a good thing, but I can't agree to inspiring them to be bad.... Just the fact that auto-det embers can't crit is enough not to use it.

[Leroy]

22 hours ago, Racingwind said:

I know that it's a compilation, and not to say that you are using it yourself. But.... WHY is auto-det listed..... Inspiring new FMs is a good thing, but I can't agree to inspiring them to be bad.... Just the fact that auto-det embers can't crit is enough not to use it.

There are pros and cons to each build and its minor variants. The major strengths and weaknesses of these builds are all touched upon and highlighted for the viewers/players themselves to understand what each route entails. I truly believe experimentation is the best way to figure out what's best suited for a player's own playstyle and the different scenarios at hand, even if it means learning the hard way (and quite possibly pissing off fellow Force Masters).

[TJXX]

Get in touch with someone using a dps meter or find one of the working ones and you'll see that auto detonate is quite a bit more dps when solo.  Even with 2 fm using it the dps was higher than full burn.  

[Racingwind]

On 6/18/2016 at 11:44 PM, TJXX said:

Get in touch with someone using a dps meter or find one of the working ones and you'll see that auto detonate is quite a bit more dps when solo.  Even with 2 fm using it the dps was higher than full burn.  

Not true, I do more damage with burn than auto det soloing. I can only think that maybe they let burn fall off and don't reapply it in a timely manner. I've run many dungeons and I see plenty burn FMs don't refresh burn properly.

[TJXX]

5 hours ago, Racingwind said:

Not true, I do more damage with burn than auto det soloing. I can only think that maybe they let burn fall off and don't reapply it in a timely manner. I've run many dungeons and I see plenty burn FMs don't refresh burn properly.

90% of pug fms are pretty bad and do horrible dps.  What numbers are you pulling on Mushins solo dummy with each build?  Both my friend and I are getting over a 2k increase with auto detonate hybrid over burn because of the extra meteors. (Didn't check his links to see if it's the same builds, we just tested everything ourselves.)

[Racingwind]

8 hours ago, TJXX said:

90% of pug fms are pretty bad and do horrible dps.  What numbers are you pulling on Mushins solo dummy with each build?  Both my friend and I are getting over a 2k increase with auto detonate hybrid over burn because of the extra meteors. (Didn't check his links to see if it's the same builds, we just tested everything ourselves.)

Actually, I'm just wondering what kind of AP are you sitting at? You mentioned extra meteors, I am guessing that you are going for the dragon blaze spam? Also, did you make sure your meteor isn't hitting more than 1 dummy? Do you have HM flame palm?

 

I don't have a dps meter per se, I just look at my clear time on mushin pain on floor 8. He's pretty much like a dummy, and I clear it a whooping 10 seconds faster on full burn (50s) compared to auto det (60s), that's a 20% increase.

[TJXX]

I'm only around 570 ap, 55ish crit, 212ish cd.  Still tons of upgrades to do. My kill time on mushin varies from 30-45 seconds.

[oOnyXo]

Auto-detonante is garbage build even for solo please remove it from listing so ppl learn to rotate properly (and yes ppl still use this in dungeons pugs :( )

[SillyKitty]

Which one of the build is the best for solo leveling? And which one will be better for end-game play later on?

[oOnyXo]

7 hours ago, SillyKitty said:

Which one of the build is the best for solo leveling? And which one will be better for end-game play later on?

you can solo using regular burn build or even lmb+rmb+F just never ever ever ever ever use Auto-detonate

[SillyKitty]

2 hours ago, oOnyXo said:

you can solo using regular burn build or even lmb+rmb+F just never ever ever ever ever use Auto-detonate

Yea, I have been playing for a while and heard a lot about people hating that build so I wasn't really an option, I wasn't sure which other build I should go for.

Thanks :3

[Racingwind]

On ‎2016‎-‎06‎-‎21 at 6:17 PM, TJXX said:

I'm only around 570 ap, 55ish crit, 212ish cd.  Still tons of upgrades to do. My kill time on mushin varies from 30-45 seconds.

Ah you have slightly better stats than me, I've upgraded to 588 AP recently with 53% crit and 210 CD, doing about 40s ish. Depends on crits. What about the other things I asked about?

On ‎2016‎-‎06‎-‎26 at 0:49 AM, oOnyXo said:

Auto-detonante is garbage build even for solo please remove it from listing so ppl learn to rotate properly (and yes ppl still use this in dungeons pugs :( )

Ran a pug dungeon yesterday with a FM that has 680 AP with baleful 3 that uses auto-det because "I prefer this skill". Well, there's a problem with that if you can't grab aggro from a 580AP FM that runs burn build. Enough said I think.

[Xuekao]

which one of those would be the best one for someone who is leveling. not going with auto detonate. i prefer something more team friendly,

[Tsuchiryu]

On 30/07/2016 at 11:21 AM, Xuekao said:

which one of those would be the best one for someone who is leveling. not going with auto detonate. i prefer something more team friendly,

LMB can be any spec as long as it isn't autodetonate. I like Stage 3 to hit multiple enemies per attack, but Stage 2 is better DPS-wise on single enemies as long as you can keep burn up. If you aren't burning, then Stage 1 is also an option.

 

RMB should be Stage 1. Chill to prevent some charges and using Impact for stun and knockback when enemies are frozen (stack 3 chills to freeze) is very useful to keep enemies at bay.

 

Everything else can be whatever, to cover your defensive/healing and party support needs if your skill point pool allows them. Divine Veil for self healing (Stage 1 heals the most) combined with Frost Armor is one of the most useful things once you are able to spec them. Before that, though, your only option is to keep Frost Fury at Stage 3 for additional healing.

[ZackGTie]

What auto detonate users need to understand is that 100% of time they don't inflict burn and is really hard to hit impact before the 5 stacks detonation. I had my experience with 4 FM in my party. 1 was using auto detonate, i couldn't keep the burn and neither could any of the other 3 FM nor the auto detonate user. Auto detonate only benefits 1 FM, not the other 3.