this game is broken summoners are too op in pvp

[King Messiah]

thats all i have to say

[N3ro]

Much post, much wow!

They are not that op, unless you play BM, then rip you.

Oh and "get good".

[Mokate369]

If you are saying that summoners are op create it... And try...

[DeadlyCode]

they are op...lol no need to create one or maybe not op per se, but wayyy too easy to play compared to other classes so while it takes u 1 year to master 1 class it may take u 1 week to master summoner and thus making it more "OP"

[Siphex]

Yes u should try one sum are no where near to be op, they might be good in low levels pvp but in endgame they lack damage and other stuff compare to other class, so ppl l2p and stop say sum are op every time u lose to one... 

[TwoPunchMan092]

 

4 hours ago, Siphex said:

4 hours ago, Siphex said:

 

Yes u should try one sum are no where near to be op, they might be good in low levels pvp but in endgame they lack damage and other stuff compare to other class, so ppl l2p and stop say sum are op every time u lose to one... 

Yeah right, thats why many lvl50 HM8 and above Sums are able to just wreck me in seconds if i do something wrong. I play a BM btw.

Seriously, there is no reason in defending the Summoner class because even in Korea by respective players such as Jaesung who won the 2015(?) BnS Esports tournament said several times during his stream that it is a widely known fact that Summoner is the easiest class to play.

So if you say SM has not enough damage think about classes like BM where you cant simply press two buttons and unleash hell on the opponent.

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, TwoPunchMan092 said:

Seriously, there is no reason in defending the Summoner class because even in Korea by respective players such as Jaesung who won the 2015(?) BnS Esports tournament said several times during his stream that it is a widely known fact that Summoner is the easiest class to play.

There's a big difference between "easy class to play" and "overpowered".

[GreenOwl]

Cats were, are and will be OP.

Deal with it.

BNS have 5 years history.

[Siphex]

3 hours ago, TwoPunchMan092 said:

 

Yeah right, thats why many lvl50 HM8 and above Sums are able to just wreck me in seconds if i do something wrong. I play a BM btw.

Seriously, there is no reason in defending the Summoner class because even in Korea by respective players such as Jaesung who won the 2015(?) BnS Esports tournament said several times during his stream that it is a widely known fact that Summoner is the easiest class to play.

So if you say SM has not enough damage think about classes like BM where you cant simply press two buttons and unleash hell on the opponent.

just make one get it to 2000k rate and tell me again sum are OP and use 2 buttons haha nof said 

[Siphex]

1 hour ago, GreenOwl said:

Cats were, are and will be OP.

Deal with it.

BNS have 5 years history.

yea right cats OP haha cmon 

[KhaosThanathan]

Nonsense.

 

Summoner may be an "easy to play" class, but it certainly isn't overpowered. You may notice that - just like Aion - BnS features a counter-class-system; meaning: certain classes are stronger against certain other classes while being weaker against some other classes. As Summoner, you may have it easy against certain classes, but you also have a hard time against certain other classes like FM or Destro. That concept applies to each class.

 

You also have to take HM-skills into consideration. Some classes HM-skills mainly are useful for PvE (like FMs LMB) while other classes HM-skills are especially strong for PvP (BM and KFM are good examples).

 

Anyway: The cat is the backbone of the Summoner; without it, the Summoner is stripped of vital PvP-skills. You simply have to consider this fact when fighting a Summoner.

[GodofWrath]

4 hours ago, Siphex said:

yea right cats OP haha cmon 

Cats follow you all the time but not like running around, they are rush towards you so you can't outrun them. They can do air combos, knockdown and most importantly they can pin you down which you have to use your tab to escape but when your tab is on cooldown they can pin you down again. And summoners can put them to sleep which in that state you can't hit them. Sure they are nothing.

[YangXiaoLong]

That's understandable that the classes has a rock-paper-scissors system, but what really annoys me to no end (others most likely feel the same as well) about Summoners is how BMs get CC'ed when they are in middle of an aerial attack when they are suppose to have 100% evasion when doing doing aerial attacks.

[Mythic]

Guarantee everyone that posted and said NOT op.. plays a sum.  My sum  pre-50 patch.. was plat by lvl 38.  its now 46 n high gold.  i dont play it much, its boring and unchallenging.  One of the easist classes ive played.. n ive leveled 4 classes.  between the grab bug, massive heals, massive damage, theyre just retarded.  can literally 2x a sums damage on my main.. n the sum still at 100% hp.  Player is in a cc.. yet their cat can still do damage n cc the opp.

[Siphex]

8 hours ago, Mythic said:

Guarantee everyone that posted and said NOT op.. plays a sum.  My sum  pre-50 patch.. was plat by lvl 38.  its now 46 n high gold.  i dont play it much, its boring and unchallenging.  One of the easist classes ive played.. n ive leveled 4 classes.  between the grab bug, massive heals, massive damage, theyre just retarded.  can literally 2x a sums damage on my main.. n the sum still at 100% hp.  Player is in a cc.. yet their cat can still do damage n cc the opp.

i play WL and FM and i can say sum is not OP as i said they might be strong in low lvls as u say lvl 38 and in plat, u try that now, and about cat well i can *cricket* cat down 100-0 in few sec so it not OP aswell, and about the cc, well its fair u can controle the cat while sum in cc, in long run it make no dif. so again in all Sum is not OP in endgame no where near OP, Sin and Kfm and Fm way more OP if u ask me. and btw im lvl 47 on my WL i took down a BM Hm8 and Destro Hm10 so is WL aslo OP ??? cmon now ppl, stop whine !!!

[N3ro]

6 hours ago, Mythic said:

Guarantee everyone that posted and said NOT op.. plays a sum.  My sum  pre-50 patch.. was plat by lvl 38.  its now 46 n high gold.  i dont play it much, its boring and unchallenging.  One of the easist classes ive played.. n ive leveled 4 classes.  between the grab bug, massive heals, massive damage, theyre just retarded.  can literally 2x a sums damage on my main.. n the sum still at 100% hp.  Player is in a cc.. yet their cat can still do damage n cc the opp.

So? Summoners have access to most of their skills very early on and from my experience you also get WAYYY easier matches on low lvl chars. I did get 1980 last season with my 46 sin alt. Oh *cricket* sin is so f*cking overpowered he got plat with 46?! Nerf pls!!! My 50hm7 sin did make it to slightly above 2k last season... i mean what!? So 17 skill points hm decoy and hm shadow slash get me 20 rating? I´m pretty sure the matches i got where wayyyy easier as i even ended up getting matched against silver medals CONSTANTLY between 1700 and slightly above 1800 this season too. Last season i didn´t even pay as much attention, it was more like i had "the feeling", but i didn´t really care to begin with. I just found it kind of mind bobbeling that it was so easy to get almost the same rating as my main on a char that lacks so much stuff.

 

I´m sure this has it´s limitations too though and also with lvl 26 or so it was almost impossible to do anything at all with my alt sin in arena, because if you face people whos level is MUCH higher than yours, then your stuns get reduced to something that you can bearly even call a stun. Basically -50% cc-duration was what i experienced every now and then (depending on my opponents level). And no i´m not retarded i even recorded this and compared it, the ccs where about good 50% shorter than normal in some cases. Then i tried to spar against a fm alt of my friend and stuns where normal (he was around my level too).

[Melodia]

The people defending summoners are not OP are obviously summoners.

Kind of obvious they don't want to make their own OP class appear OP otherwise devs might nerf them, and they won't be able to blindfold themselves and defeat any other player by just facerolling anymore.

 

[Yashuoa]

On ‎27‎-‎5‎-‎2016 at 5:49 PM, King Messiah said:

thats all i have to say

Their entry lvl seems really easy at least compared to most other classes.

[Zeykes]

Summoner is not OP at all. They were very strong (perhaps a little too strong) back in lv 45 patch due to getting most the skills they need early on, and not being as skill point reliant as many others. Now however, they are in no way considered OP. They still counter BM though, so it's natural that BMs will struggle in this match up, but every other class shouldn't struggle more with Summoners than others. Yes, it is the easiest class to learn in this game, but it is NOT overpowered.

I'm pretty sure most of you that call them OP, are having trouble with them because you haven't bothered to figure out how they even work. It seems like some of you treat the cat as having a different or separate set of skills. The cat has CCs, yes, but that doesn't mean the Summoner has more skills or CCs than other classes, because all the cat's CCs are on the Summoner's skill bars and is activated by the Summoner. The Summoner's Z, X, C, V, Tab, Q and E are ALL exclusively cat-related skills, meaning these buttons are rendered useless if the cat is CC'd or dead (with the exception of Z and E, which can be used while cat is CC'd). Another thing often causing trouble for people is Dandelion or Seed Shroud, as it's actually called (their counter). They hold a dandelion up in the air for 1.5 sec, countering the first hit recieved, and if counter, enter stealth for 6 sec as well as gaining a multitude of other benefits. This has a 8 sec cooldown. Do not hit into the damn counter, as it is very punishing if you do so. Be careful with defense penetrating skills as they can activate Enhanced Seed Shroud during the counter to apply an enhanced counter to their party (in arena that means themselves and their cat). This does the same as the normal Seed Shroud, except it resists the first hit recieved in the next 1 sec, so defense penetrating skills will not work on this. Enhanced Seed Shroud has a 36 sec cooldown which you can track by looking at their buffs (they get a buff saying "cannot be affected by Enhanced Seed Shroud" which lasts 30 sec).

 

TL;DR; Do yourselves a favor and learn what the Summoner is capable of so you can counter them, before screaming OP at the top of your lungs because you don't understand how they work.

And by the way, I do not play Summoner. I play KFM/BM and I just know all this because I actually bothered reading up on what all classes are capable of so I could get better at the game.

On 5/28/2016 at 10:06 PM, YangXiaoLong said:

That's understandable that the classes has a rock-paper-scissors system, but what really annoys me to no end (others most likely feel the same as well) about Summoners is how BMs get CC'ed when they are in middle of an aerial attack when they are suppose to have 100% evasion when doing doing aerial attacks.

By the way you worded that, it seems like you too don't know how Summoners work. They can hit anyone during aircombos, and KFMs with max agility even though you have 100% evasion because of their Petal Storm. Here's a quote from the skill description found on bnstree: "Enemies in the area cannot passively Block, Evade". Meaning if this ability is up, evasion is useless.

On 5/29/2016 at 6:50 PM, Melodia said:

The people defending summoners are not OP are obviously summoners.

Kind of obvious they don't want to make their own OP class appear OP otherwise devs might nerf them, and they won't be able to blindfold themselves and defeat any other player by just facerolling anymore.

 

I've already stated my opinion on the "Summoner is OP" matter, but I have one more thing to say to you specifically:

Whether or not we make whining posts about x class being OP on this forum will not matter at all. The devs are in Korea, and they don't read this forum. There is a common misunderstanding that we have our own devs. We do not. All our patches, fixes etc. come from the dev team in KR. The people over at NCWest are just responsible for moderating the game/forums, and sending feedback/suggestions/requests to the KR dev-team, and these do not include class balance. Class balance is handled solely over in KR, and we're unlikely to have any influence whatsoever on that.