Daily Challenge Yeti Avalanche AGAIN? This is ridiculous

[mihwK]

I ran Avalanche Den like 50+ times in the past week.

 

I ran alot of 6man to get my #7 to roll crit+acc with high rolls, to this day I didn't get it... but, I never wipe. Like literally, I Q up for 6man, I don't even bother to search for 90000+ AP players. I HOPE these playerse are on the last Boss. I even queue up, stop, and queue up again if I get into a Lobby just to fish those wipe on the Boss groups to save me clearing the trash.

 

You CC the jumps, tell everyone to take hearts and just DPS through, like it couldn't take less brain to clear it. If they get hit by the Ice-phase I enhanced dandelion all of them so they can keep their Hearts. You tell them to not stop DPS at 33% and just pull through. If we get 8 stacks we use our Hearts and don't die, if we get like 5 stacks I will iframe the entire thing and enhanced dandelion all of them again.

 

You then get to the 2nd ice phase. I will either decrease the ice fields with them or keep DPSing if it looks like we will kill him. I joined many groups where you could feel the frustration in the air, we always kill it first try. Those 1-2 guys who keep DPSing aren't fast enough to force an 8stack the second time around, you have more than enough time to clear enough ice-thingys. Honestly, if you keep spamming STOP DPS they always listen.

 

In 4man you either ask the FM if he knows how to freeze the grp, if he doesn't you tell them to stop DPS at 33%. You repeat this ingame when Nunu is at 34% aswel, just to make sure they didn't forget. It always works, it's always a first try ,first kill.

 

If I can't CC the jumps I communicate this before the fight and in-fight. Sometimes the grp has enough DMG to force the 3rd jump before my 45sec stun comes back up. I tell them this, bcause if I don't they usually don't do anything and just wait for the stun to happen. I join, I say I might not be able to Stun the 3rd jump depending on DPS. If I'm really not going to be ready, I tell them this in-fight again.

 

I understand me beeing able to save the entire group on every ice fk up with enhanced dand does help alot, this is one of the major reasons I enjoy running this dungeon. 

 

 

There was exactly one situation where I was like fk all of you, this happened yesterday:

 

These players have NO CLUE how much you actually do for them, they just blindly DPS and pray the Boss dies. I stopped carrying the LFG Teams after this and went back to the 500+ teams for a while. I can kill this dungeon with an entire group of 380 players, the less DPS they have the more easy it is, the only part in the fight where I can die is if the Boss enters his 3rd jump before my Stun gets ready again, having no DPS allows me to stun all 3 jumps without having to skill into my second daze. I can save them every single time if they get frozen outside of this, and we will only once get into the 8stack iframe part, here is where I will use a heart, all the following phases you have more than enough time to get rid of 2-3 ice thingys in order for me to not get frozen and have my dandelion up. If I'm not frozen, they can and will not die.

 

- I joined, and did everything as stated.

- I stunned the first 2 jumps, but wasn't ready to take the 3rd, 45sec of CD is just too long sometimes. They didn't do anything this time, all of them were like someone else might do something.

- This took 1 heart from everyone. (I always only take 1 Heart)

- He then did his usual freeze everyone thing. Here 4 players got hit, these 4 players I saved with dandelion.

- On the 33% mark they didn't stop DPS this time, since the first fk up from them already cost me a heart I lost my safety to survive not stopping at 33%

- Since I can't iframe 8 stacks and them refusing to do anything else beside just beeing there to DPS cost me a heart already, I died here for obvious reasons.

- They then procceeded to DPS the Boss down, the 4 players I saved before were able to participate and not die on the 8stack iframe. That is all thx to me saving their asses before, so they could maintain their last heart for the not stop DPS part.

 

Now the fight was over, not a single one would come over to rezz me. At this point I was already thinking, wtf, I carried ur ass and you wouldn't come over here to rezz me? I told them this.

One of them, the worst garbage KFM I've ever seen in my life, was then telling me how bad I must be and how I didn't deserve the kill. The only reason I was having Aggro was because I have more AP. I shouldn't blame others when I was dead during the fight, no shit this is what he said.

 

You have no idea how fking mad I was, these horrible trashs got carried by me beeing there. I was literally the reason they killed the Boss. I didn't die bcause I missplayed, I died bcause of them. Them then having the nerve to not rezz me and tell me I died and they didn't, therefore me beeing bad and them beeing good, is plain insane. Yes, this is the first time I started to aggressively insult players in the game. I probably would have punched that KFM irL if he was near me.

 

These players are so retardedly blind, all he could see was me beeing dead at the end. Therefor I must have done something wrong. Like utter garbages dude, just reminding myself of this event makes me mad as fk.

[Tupac Shakur]

I have managed to do it after 3 hours because I had to beg in a subtle way in the LFP channel inside cross-server, so a 440, 470 and 550+ AP guy joined us and we did it smoothly.

 

That wasn't using LFP, no -- so the LFP is seriously flawed if it lets anybody under 400 AP queue. It should also offer hints/tips on the boss encounter since most of the LFP players haven't a clue. 

[Lucien]

5 hours ago, spongemike said:

I have 444 AP 42k hp FM and I refuse to do yetis. Too many complain about my low AP and cross severs.  First time I went in the dungeons 90% of the time first thing ppl say is "You AP is too low you shouldn't be here" and some even refuse to progress till I drop group or they will drop party.  My guild is not very active so I can't run with them. In fact I only do the blue lvl 50 dungeons since too many ppl in cross server dungeons are like that.

 

Maybe is time to move onto other games.......

Only a noob will say that 444 is too low for Yeti. People who says that are those with high AP, but so noob and don't know how to play their class. That's why they want more people with high AP, because they know themselves they're so bad and in need another high AP people.

 

How can they say that 444 is too low? Might be because of their experience when they had 440 AP, they might have been so noobs and dying endlessly because of their poor gameplays, and that gave them a trauma, haha!

 

That explains it why, right?

[spongemike]

18 minutes ago, Lucien said:

Only a noob will say that 444 is too low for Yeti. People who says that are those with high AP, but so noob and don't know how to play their class. That's why they want more people with high AP, because they know themselves they're so bad and in need another high AP people.

 

How can they say that 444 is too low? Might be because of their experience when they had 440 AP, they might have been so noobs and dying endlessly because of their poor gameplays, and that gave them a trauma, haha!

 

That explains it why, right?

I am not sure but in cross dungeons people always want 500+AP for Yeti fast MUST know fight........ Or some random people in pug will say that......

[Sithaer]

Yea it kind of sucks but I just ignore it for now,still not comfortable with the idea of running Yeti with randoms cause I don't want to ruin anyone's run.

Even tho I did watch guide videos but I'm kinda the person who only learns from playing it myself so it doesn't help much.

 

445ap/50% crit/190%cdmg/53k hp FM.

 

Acutally I didn't even run Naryu lab yet:P just can't be bothered with it,heard too many 'horror' stories regarding random laby runs

 

My options are kinda limited,if its Yeti/Lab/Asura/PvP run then I can't do it,at least not yet. 'I don't pvp in this game and never will,so thats nope'

[KatHead]

I do Yeti every single day with pugs (never did any dungeons without them), all of us are not ignorant or sporting infernal gear and a viridian soul shield. If you dont like the skill level of your pugs try doing something to help them improve. Hiding your immaculate skills behind a wall of klan members does nothing for them. 

 

If they fail a mechanic, explain it to them. If they fail it twice try to give them a visual queue for when to execute the mechanic. Where you see a Sexy Yun BM or nasty hobbit summoner, there is actually a real life human (70% of the time, maybe / hopefully) who is capable of learning and progressing. Maybe the rate at which they can do this is not to your liking, if this is the case roll with your clan. 

 

You need to have patience to pug, last night I was with a group that wiped in cold storage 3 straight times (world record ?) due to enrage timer. All three times I was the only one living past the 2 min mark, I fought it out till enrage just to show them how and when to avoid damage and how long you actually have to kill the boss. One of them left group and the replacement dcd on pull 4, we managed to down the boss with 4 living people but even the dead guy lasted much longer the last time. Are those guys pros now ? Nope. If you are fortunate enough to queue with one of them on your next cold storage you will have a much better pug than what they were when I found them. 

 

Morale of story ? If you want a better pug culture, YOU need to get to work creating it. 

[mihwK]

18 minutes ago, Sithaer said:

Yea it kind of sucks but I just ignore it for now,still not comfortable with the idea of running Yeti with randoms cause I don't want to ruin anyone's run.

Even tho I did watch guide videos but I'm kinda the person who only learns from playing it myself so it doesn't help much.

 

445ap/50% crit/190%cdmg/53k hp FM.

 

Acutally I didn't even run Naryu lab yet:P just can't be bothered with it,heard too many 'horror' stories regarding random laby runs

 

My options are kinda limited,if its Yeti/Lab/Asura/PvP run then I can't do it,at least not yet. 'I don't pvp in this game and never will,so thats nope'

Go in there and play it. If you stay away from it you won't get that EXP, you have to go in.

 

Tell them from the get go you are new, you have never done this before. Saying this is more than enough, they now know what to expect from you. Tell them this infront of the Boss, there is no reason for them to know this before.

I'm like you aswel, I learn by doing. A couple runs and I'm good. I do learn from watching others fail when I'm playing with them tho, really strange how that works. I can run a dungeon and if the party fails somehow bcause of a player I know not to do what he did. If I see that same mistake in a YouTube video it doesn't always click the same way.

 

If you don't play and stay away you will never learn, there is no reason for you to do that. Don't let them scare you off, in reality it's really not even half as bad as some storys make it believe.

 

Also I see SO MANY FMs beeing scared to try stuff. Like freezing the grp in Avalanche Den. Players have hearts to survive even if you fk up, it's a save environment to try and learn. I'm telling them exactly what to do, I'm even telling them if they should fail we will survive anyway. You can fk up and literally nothing is going to happen, and yet they still don't want to learn and improve.

 

The answer is more often than not: "I've never done it, I rather not, better save than sorry". Don't be so scared, specially if you have the freedom to make mistakes. These Dragonhearts are saving the players anway.

[Lunakitty]

Good luck with the Yeti runs! I hope you will find teams that can finish it. I can pug in with those 500+ AP people as my Blade Dancer now has 512 AP. Unfortunately I still feel even after 20+ runs that I get carried just because I mess up the timing by 0.5 seconds and end up getting killed. I used to do it with my clan but recently no one seems to have the time or will to play with me (apparently I sucked so bad that they don't anymore invite me with them even when I ask). Q_Q Before someone says "learn the mechanism" I can tell I know the mechanism to the heart but as I am so stupid with timing I can simply mess up with that one little iframe I am supposed to do in the cold phase.

[Miku Lyn]

6 hours ago, Tupac Shakur said:

Sure it's a simple dungeon. Pretty simple boss mechanics once you've done it a couple of times but guess what? it's NOT PUG FRIENDLY WHATSOEVER and yes before you ask, I have done it in a few PUGs before but the chances are very slim.

 

I've spent over 1 hour 20 minutes at Yeti, getting him to 20-30% HP then the groups dead/he enrages because you let players with 360-380 AP join, die a few times, leave, more join who're slightly better AP-wise, die, leave and ON TOP OF THAT, due to its mechanics, even the players with 500 AP are failing basic mechanics like getting grabbed while they're tanking and standing near the group so they get the fire buff - but no that's too difficult for them AND the players who don't know how to look at where the tank got thrown to stack on them for the buff, so we get frozen and die. gg

 

Ice phase - kill mushrooms (in pugs) and throw fireballs at the ice circles or take one for the team, etc - too difficult for pugs. 

 

On top of PUGs not being able to iframe the bosses huge AOE's/one-shot mechanics, their damage isn't good enough to beat the enrage, you know why?

 

Because the way NCsoft have pushed out the new content so quickly, all the free to play players are struggling with upgrading because of the RIDICULOUS prices, so when a cool event pops up like the daily challenge, where we have a chance to get 100g/1000g TO UPGRADE our gear, we're required to choose a few dungeons/PvP/a boss, 4 out of 5? options with 1-2 of them being overtuned content FOR the average player who weren't spending crap loads on the treasure trove keys to get 500+ AP, epic gems, skill books, XP charms for HM levels, etc etc etc.

wtf?

 

I have pug'd yeti everyday like 5 times a day (at least) since it came out..

[TigerKFM]

You should see some parties that can't even do Blood Mane 2.0 (Cold Storage) and Minou, those are simple too...

[Lucien]

37 minutes ago, spongemike said:

I am not sure but in cross dungeons people always want 500+AP for Yeti fast MUST know fight........ Or some random people in pug will say that......

Heck I'm 512 AP and even doing premade parties 440+ when I wanted to recruit fast. Everything are smooth most of the runs, unless there's someone who didn't know the mechanics and didn't speak up.

 

You can also ask the party if someone is new, unless if you're one of those anti-socialists that are very timid who have never talked.

[Lucien]

36 minutes ago, Sithaer said:

Yea it kind of sucks but I just ignore it for now,still not comfortable with the idea of running Yeti with randoms cause I don't want to ruin anyone's run.

Even tho I did watch guide videos but I'm kinda the person who only learns from playing it myself so it doesn't help much.

 

445ap/50% crit/190%cdmg/53k hp FM.

 

Acutally I didn't even run Naryu lab yet:P just can't be bothered with it,heard too many 'horror' stories regarding random laby runs

 

My options are kinda limited,if its Yeti/Lab/Asura/PvP run then I can't do it,at least not yet. 'I don't pvp in this game and never will,so thats nope'

You should do it, you should experience more about that game. Only those with bad experience (Bad people who didn't know how their play their class) who says that Naryu Lab is a horror. You can even finish Naryu Lab in less than 15 mins with 450+ people, but first timers might take a little bit longer.

[Arealynn]

LOL

or u can try 6v6.

ANyway it is random I think.

[Sithaer]

24 minutes ago, mihwK said:

I can run a dungeon and if the party fails somehow bcause of a player I know not to do what he did. If I see that same mistake in a YouTube video it doesn't always click the same way.

Aye thats how it also works with me,well sure I do notice the 1 hit kill moves after watching vids but I still need to learn the timings,etc on my own.Usually that takes a few runs for me if I pay attention.

 

Will have to run it sooner or later anyway cause I want to replace some of my soul shields with yeti.

Few days away from my Pirate weapon breaktrough,gonna get that first probably just so I wont 'scare' away ppls that fast:P

 

As a FM I always try to use frost sheat in parties when I know it useful and CC with ice beam if no one does anything else.

 

[Piffers]

I had run yeti with my brother cross sever for about 2 weeks before i found some friends to run it with. I got my full max yeti shield by running pug. 

I was at about 520ap~ 55%crit rate bk then, my brother 450ap 50%crit. We always just hit the 'lfp' button and hoped for the best. About 90% of the time we got 400-470ap guys which was more then fine. About 8/10runs on avarage were succesfull without much trouble. Ppl make pug grps out to be worse then they actually are. For anyone thats scared just go for it :/

Everyone gotta learn

[kumakier]

Yeah I have nearly 450 ap and about 45% critcal and should just try jump in those purple dungeons and battlefield 6v6 and learn the hard way.

 

If I don't clear its fine got the other dailies to do and try again. Going to at least make an effort in doing those daily challenges.

 

[Syanonn]

Yea.... Yeti is less stressful as premade right now.

Asura tomorrow, GL

[Taemek]

16 hours ago, Tupac Shakur said:

Sure it's a simple dungeon. Pretty simple boss mechanics once you've done it a couple of times but guess what? it's NOT PUG FRIENDLY WHATSOEVER and yes before you ask, I have done it in a few PUGs before but the chances are very slim.

 

I've spent over 1 hour 20 minutes at Yeti, getting him to 20-30% HP then the groups dead/he enrages because you let players with 360-380 AP join, die a few times, leave, more join who're slightly better AP-wise, die, leave and ON TOP OF THAT, due to its mechanics, even the players with 500 AP are failing basic mechanics like getting grabbed while they're tanking and standing near the group so they get the fire buff - but no that's too difficult for them AND the players who don't know how to look at where the tank got thrown to stack on them for the buff, so we get frozen and die. gg

 

Ice phase - kill mushrooms (in pugs) and throw fireballs at the ice circles or take one for the team, etc - too difficult for pugs. 

 

On top of PUGs not being able to iframe the bosses huge AOE's/one-shot mechanics, their damage isn't good enough to beat the enrage, you know why?

 

Because the way NCsoft have pushed out the new content so quickly, all the free to play players are struggling with upgrading because of the RIDICULOUS prices, so when a cool event pops up like the daily challenge, where we have a chance to get 100g/1000g TO UPGRADE our gear, we're required to choose a few dungeons/PvP/a boss, 4 out of 5? options with 1-2 of them being overtuned content FOR the average player who weren't spending crap loads on the treasure trove keys to get 500+ AP, epic gems, skill books, XP charms for HM levels, etc etc etc.

Wait until you pug Asura then....

[DrowningEarth]

I won't be surprised if they troll everyone one day and make SSP Grindtooth one of the required quests.