dmoe33 Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 So this is a bit of a sensitive topic but i want an honest answer. No elitism No crying a concrete legit answer. So when are AP requirements gonna actually be relevant? when will the new gear be actually be required? As of right now all dungs can be completed with true pirate/siren accs at around 470 ish AP and about 190% cdmg and 45~crit so when will we need higher ap reqs and for which dungs? ofc im only talking about 6 mans Replies appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieryPassion Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Personally i don't think it will ever be truly necessary to have ap requirements. I imagine later on you still only benefit in faster/easier runs the higher the ap/crit/crit dmg you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkios Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, FieryPassion said: Personally i don't think it will ever be truly necessary to have ap requirements. If/when we FINALLY get a kick option to deal with the AFKers/bots in dungeons, a reasonable, enforced AP requirement will be necessary as well - along with a rule stating that if you kick a party member for low AP you can be reported an action taken against your account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunakitty Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I have no idea why but recently the only afks I have seen have been those HM 6+ with premium. But yeah kick option would be nice so at least those afks couldn't get anything and instead we could have teams that actually fight. It might take a long time until there is proper AP requirement that the dungeon needs but people can make any AP requirements to finish the dungeons faster so basically you can say there are already those 500+ AP for fast running in 4-man and 470+ AP in 6-man Yeti for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kromede Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I wonder why NCsoft don't use their brain like Square Enix (FFXIV), you can't enter dungeon if you don't meet the requirements and for those over geared will scale down so everyone will have challenge time (still easier for those got scaled down cause you still at top tier gears compare to a noob), also AFK will get auto kick if inactivity for 10 mins in endgame dungeons, (note: FFXIV has vote kick option and it does get abuse by player especially a pre-made party that short member and Queue up then kick other player if they are not meet their expectation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nurpler Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 38 minutes ago, Kromede said: I wonder why NCsoft don't use their brain like Square Enix (FFXIV), you can't enter dungeon if you don't meet the requirements and for those over geared will scale down so everyone will have challenge time (still easier for those got scaled down cause you still at top tier gears compare to a noob), also AFK will get auto kick if inactivity for 10 mins in endgame dungeons, (note: FFXIV has vote kick option and it does get abuse by player especially a pre-made party that short member and Queue up then kick other player if they are not meet their expectation). But that would require effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmoe33 Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 53 minutes ago, FieryPassion said: Personally i don't think it will ever be truly necessary to have ap requirements. I imagine later on you still only benefit in faster/easier runs the higher the ap/crit/crit dmg you have. Well AP is sort of like a general gear measure (its not completely but gives a good idea) so like when will upgrading gear be necessary/ required? is basically what im asking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukran Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 6v6 ap is relevant i think. but luckly we can assure that mostly of the times skill>>>build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enhance Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 2 hours ago, Lurkios said: along with a rule stating that if you kick a party member for low AP you can be reported an action taken against your account. I don't see this happening in a thousand years. As for AP, it's never relevant on its own. 1000 AP and 25%/150% crit/crit damage will severely lose in dps against 500 AP and 60%/210% crit/crit damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmoe33 Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Enhance said: I don't see this happening in a thousand years. As for AP, it's never relevant on its own. 1000 AP and 25%/150% crit/crit damage will severely lose in dps against 500 AP and 60%/210% crit/crit damage. You are indeed correct but the thing is half the ppl who recruit for dungs ask for AP requirements which for someone who pugs every single dung it makes it extremely hard to find a group when all of them ask for like 550 ap + for asura when u can do it jus as well with 480-500, also what u mentioned the crit factor which again they dont realize and only ask for AP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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