Daily Challenge 50 Dungeon Req Problem

[EssVeeCee]

So for your new daily challenge system, I was forced to try the dungeon content at 407AP.

 

I learned the mechanics quickly and it was going fine, except for these things;

1- When you join a dungeon with less than 500 AP, everyone quits

2- When paired with people, no one reads the chat, and therefore the content is too complicated for the level of organization available to us (I.E. group finder)

3- Upgrades are too expensive, and I am not willing to buy gold as everyone else on my server has done (The RWT going on is insane on Mushin)

4- Any group that knows how to do the dungeon views AP as more important than knowing how to do it, so you can't join them

 

Conclusion; I can't gear because I can't play, and I can't play because I can't gear

P2W confirmed.

[Brainy]

Make friends and play with them. My group does Yeti (4 man) with 2+ min left on the timer and nobody is overgeared (we have between 440-520 ap).

People want high AP so they can afford to make many mistakes - which they do.

 

If it's really that bad, try PvP, you can make a lot of gold selling soulstones. You do need to have a good win percentage, though, but at least you don't need gear for it.

[Choco Wack]

^^ This, The thing about Mr. P2W here is that he does not use hes brain fully to think about other ways to gain gold. He just complain. that's it. I had the money and the gear  before I had chance to do level 50 dungeon dailies. Prices go up coz people have tons of gold already and they know how to earn it, except you.

[EssVeeCee]

Just now, Choco Wack said:

^^ This, The thing about Mr. P2W here is that he does not use hes brain fully to think about other ways to gain gold. He just complain. that's it. I had the money and the gear  before I had chance to do level 50 dungeon dailies. Prices go up coz people have tons of gold already and they know how to earn it, except you.

Constructive.

[Nilkemios]

Well, this is what happens when you have a shitty upgrade system that forces players to either group up in cross-server and hope they have enough gold, or be stuck at the mercy of the market to upgrade, with no means to do so on their own....from Awakened Infernal onward.

 

While it isn't quite pay to win, it definitely gives off that feeling.

[vita]

17 minutes ago, Choco Wack said:

^^ This, The thing about Mr. P2W here is that he does not use hes brain fully to think about other ways to gain gold. He just complain. that's it. I had the money and the gear  before I had chance to do level 50 dungeon dailies. Prices go up coz people have tons of gold already and they know how to earn it, except you.

Because complaining is easier than finding alternative solution to the problem. 

[Nilkemios]

What alternative solution? Be stuck at the mercy of the market and have to grind gold constantly rather than being able to gear up properly? That's pitiful.

[xtclikeafox]

lol this thread though.

 

Just do what all the other free users have done...grind dailies until you're over 550AP

You dont have to rely on pay to winners carrying you to advance in the game.

Run the dailies that match your current abilities.

With Low ap, even if you have mechanics down and can survive, your dps output is low which can make melting the bosses before enrage difficult.

With all the time it takes you to complete newest dailies on a low AP character you are losing gold. Spend your time more effectively by grinding lower level material to get the gold you need to upgrade.

I promise you that everyone on your server does not buy gold. Many free users had over 500AP pre-silverfrost.

[vita]

9 minutes ago, Nilkemios said:

What alternative solution? Be stuck at the mercy of the market and have to grind gold constantly rather than being able to gear up properly? That's pitiful.

What's so pitiful with buying from the market, not everyone like to craft and wait 12 hours for something to come out, some players prefer to do dungeon runs instead and earn gold to buy it from the market, how is that pitiful at all? Some players prefer to play the market and earn gold from selling and buying. All valid method that allow them to progress. None of that is p2w, it all comes out of the players own hardwork and dedication.

 

So you are saying if I grinded gold and buy stuff from the market I am not gearing up properly? What kind of logic is that. I am now geared with Awakened scorpio with oath accessories, with enough gold to go to True scorpio if I wanted to, I did this purely from running dungeons, no I don't think it's pitiful at all, it just how I prefer to do things.

[Nilkemios]

9 minutes ago, vita said:

not everyone like to craft and wait 12 hours for something to come out

Fair enough on that...this crafting system is the worst I've seen since Aion. Apparently there wasn't even going to be a crafting system at first, they just put it in as an afterthought, yet then they go and make an item necessary for upgrading only available from it...bad design.

 

12 minutes ago, vita said:

Some players prefer to play the market and earn gold from selling and buying.

Good for them. They have an option they like. Those of us that would rather not be forced to rely on the market have no good option.

 

13 minutes ago, vita said:

None of that is p2w

I already said that. It isn't pay to win, since there is no upgrade level not attainable without real money so far...but with all the gold one has to grind for trans stones, soulstones, and the ever increasing upgrade costs, it gives off a similar feeling.

 

16 minutes ago, vita said:

So you are saying if I grinded gold and buy stuff from the market I am not gearing up properly?

From my perspective, no. You may find grinding gold like a bot to be fun, but I don't.

[KzE]

1 hour ago, EssVeeCee said:

So for your new daily challenge system, I was forced to try the dungeon content at 407AP.

 

I learned the mechanics quickly and it was going fine, except for these things;

1- When you join a dungeon with less than 500 AP, everyone quits

2- When paired with people, no one reads the chat, and therefore the content is too complicated for the level of organization available to us (I.E. group finder)

3- Upgrades are too expensive, and I am not willing to buy gold as everyone else on my server has done (The RWT going on is insane on Mushin)

4- Any group that knows how to do the dungeon views AP as more important than knowing how to do it, so you can't join them

 

Conclusion; I can't gear because I can't play, and I can't play because I can't gear

P2W confirmed.

Dont worry, you will wipe even with 500+ ppl @ yeti 6. Upgrade system is forcing you to grind the low lvl content too, there is no fast catch up, like in other games.

[vita]

9 minutes ago, Nilkemios said:

 

From my perspective, no. You may find grinding gold like a bot to be fun, but I don't.

Way to look down on other players hardwork to gear up by learning the dungeon and perfecting it, running it with less than desire AP until they can clear if fast. So that they are able to farm materials to sell and to upgrade. And these are 4-man dungeon with AP that are lower than what you find in party finder for 6-man. So yeah not proper gearing, when we actually use our skills to clear dungeons and to earn gold to help us with gearing.

[Tsuchiryu]

9 hours ago, KzE said:

Dont worry, you will wipe even with 500+ ppl @ yeti 6. Upgrade system is forcing you to grind the low lvl content too, there is no fast catch up, like in other games.

This is why you still find a good chunk of people running Moonwater Heroic dungeons still. I'll be doing these myself on my main for quite a while, I'm sure.