What is unique about Destroyer among classes ?

[Valiant]

I'm really asking that question, Yes I do play Destroyer.
 

So may I ask for game point of view or you people point view about destroyer, What make it unique among all classes ?
 

Myself I did play Destroyer at first place because " Fury" , When I used to play Neverwinter I picked a class called "Great weapon fighter" That class suppose to be similar to Destroyer.

Anyway Great weapon fighter had a skill called "Unstoppable " That skill transform him into the berserk mood  which increase Max HP, Increase AP, Increase Crit, Make him immune to all effects, Increase his skill cast speed and yes if I did used it on anyway he is dead for sure like fury.

 

Now when I did want to try Blade and soul from 2 years, I went over the China version and did  check every class and it did appear that destroyer is the berserk class that I did want to play with Cause of it's fight style, Berserk mood "Fury" .

 

But back then I was playing china version for fun only, Cause of lag and such problem with their server.

 

So back to our NA/EU server I start to learn my class for real and climb that leader board trying to reach the top, But always I hit that wall of 2050 and I can't pass it no more except if I pushed on myself the boring way of using Persistence instead of Fury to make it another escape and I can't kill someone 100-0 that easy no more.

 

Myself I start to not enjoy Destroyer no more and infact I don't see it unique among other classes at all , Why ?

 

Because KFM and Assassin got their Fighting spirit which similar to fury and worst part that they able to 100-0 aswell without it, Red spin is useless and only used to escapes from people as a Iframe and it cost tons of focus, Blue spin is nothing special because BD got one similar to it and even better with immune, Shield is useless shield that used for stun only now and I can't use it for heal or to protect myself like FM shield, Blue fury or Persistence even not that unique since FM got 2 escape aswell and now for last special skill "Grab" It useless it need stun/daze/knockdown/someone blocking to apply it and it don't do that much of dps while FM Can grab you easily and fire spam you or BD grab you and if you unlucky you will get into blade storm to huge dps. 
 

Nothing is special about destroyer, I understand now why I always enjoy fighting destroyers because they not that unique all of their skills are know well and easy to avoid/escape.
 

If we looked at every other class unique mechanism:
 

FM : Heal ice shield(Total immune),2 escapes, Easy phantom grab, Ice and Fire skill and ofcourse their ice frost thing when they take hit they turn into ice, Immune to ranged attacks.
BM: Block (Perfect thing against destroyer ),Many CC include knockdown (That rekt destroyer blue buff) and stuns, Double block when they get knockdown,5 second resist when they hit, Resist 5 seconds after blocking, Escape from grab.(Able to 100-0)

Assassin: Lotus Escape that is almost spamable or Fighting spirit to use as a second hugh dps, Stun counter from knockdown, 5 second resist and heal while hit someone,Freeze bomb, Hide and run skills.(Able to 100-0)
Summoner : Special cat that able to control even if you under cc, High dps, High heal for Cat/Summoner,   Immune to ranged attacks, Cat grab that you can't counter like other grabs.
KFM : 3 Iframe with short CD, Evade 6 second , Many leading stuns escape, Counter, Fighting spirit/Frost when get hit, Grab, Able to 100-0 without fighting spirit, Frost escape from grab.
Warlock : High dps that bypass parry (Yes blue spin is useless ), Many immune, Block , Able to reset it's escapes , Got another escape using it's summoned.
BD : 5 second immune, 2 second immune, Blue spin, Phantom grab , Able to blade storm with high dps, Escape from grabs, (Able to 100-0)
 

So if every class got something similar to Destroyer skills, What is the point or unique about it ? Like BD got better Blue spin ,KFM/Assassin Spiriting fight, FM got better shield and worst/fun part is that KFM/Assassin able to 100-0 you without having fighting spirit while having tons of way to escape but if a destroyer the only way to 100-0 is by fury.
 

Which is fun special that youable to get phantom grab or knockdown while you in your Berserk mood -.-

So what do you think about it ? Is me right ? Is Destroyer just not that unique no more ?

[Skyblade]

destroyer weak class .. dont play with it .. reroll another class .. or quit the game

[Valiant]

14 minutes ago, Skyblade said:

destroyer weak class .. dont play with it .. reroll another class .. or quit the game

I didn't mean it weak or not, If you ask me I think it well balanced but other classes I don't know really.
 

But I ask what is the special about it's mechanism like what make people kill destroyer easily not because it weak, It because it easy to see what it going to do.
 

Destroyer very slow, All of his charge you can see it coming so you can IFrame easily, Focus are wasted over it's TAB and Q and fun part it not that berserk Class that it used to be because every class now can have their own berserk or 100-0 you easily.
 

What I say it unfair to push destroyer to this point of game, That it don't have much ways to avoid attacks and in same time can't 100-0 because he  change it's berserk mood into defensive


And I know you could be trolling, But me not in mood for troll so I will answer you anyway 

[Insane]

I started to play BnS bc Destroyers class, Giant axe and grab giant bosses, WOW. Soo badass, But nowdays Im play as FM just bc Destroyer suck in pve and pvp too. I love Destroyer gameplay but after playing like it since beta and like you cant climb pvp arena and in pve even a FM using True Prophane can beat me on dps using true pirate. So, Yes its a weak class, pvp and pve. And I totally agree with you, Not special at all.

[Valiant]

3 minutes ago, Insane said:

I started to play BnS bc Destroyers class, Giant axe and grab giant bosses, WOW. Soo badass, But nowdays Im play as FM just bc Destroyer suck in pve and pvp too. I love Destroyer gameplay but after playing like it since beta and like you cant climb pvp arena and in pve even a FM using True Prophane can beat me on dps using true pirate. So, Yes its a weak class, pvp and pve. And I totally agree with you, Not special at all.

You know I not talking even about the power levels or such, I talk about that every class got same berserk mood like wtf it suppose to gave Destroyer little escape and Iframe but ability to 100-0 with berserk
 

But now all what I see, All classes got tons of way to evade your attacks and escape while able to 100-0 with their own berserk mood or without, But destroyer got little Iframe with big CD and low defensive ability while not able to 100-0 like any other class without his fury which sadly he must get rid of it to able to avoid more attacks like other classes.

[Dagma]

The only reason destroyer's r even a decent class is that they can anti cancel, if they do there dam jobs and get rid of anti cancel then that class would be crap. 

 

 

If you don't believe face a destroy that doesn't anti cancel.

If you make it possible for one class to kill with one mistake then all class should have it the same way, yet bd, fm, summoners, warlocks don't have that skill

[Valiant]

18 minutes ago, Dagma said:

The only reason destroyer's r even a decent class is that they can anti cancel, if they do there dam jobs and get rid of anti cancel then that class would be crap. 

 

 

If you don't believe face a destroy that doesn't anti cancel.

If you make it possible for one class to kill with one mistake then all class should have it the same way, yet bd, fm, summoners, warlocks don't have that skill

I believe you on the ani cancel, as I said I was playing for fun over  chain and wasn't ani cancel so yah.

But KFM, BD can you punish you for making mistake and use your escape , That is my point that classes punish for making mistakes while they got ability to escape and Iframe alot.
 

But Destroyer punish his enemy only if he using fury, So if he using fury as I said before he going to hit that 2050 wall so easily cause he will need to use the blue buff not the fury no more.
 

So a Destroyer using blue buff that mean he won't punish anyway no more, What make destroyer use blue buff instead of fury ? Simple because all classes punish other classes for making mistakes and destroyer don't have much of Iframe, Escape to avoid that punish so he go for blue buff.
 

wish you do understand what I mean.
 

And for FM, I think it well balance except the part that it keep disable melee classes alot while it able to make decent dps

And summoner won't worry me because in future game, It will get more weaker 

And don't get me wrong, KFM/Assassin should punish you for making mistake they got lotus/Iframe/counter/Stun/High Evade beside having atleast  escape and then you give them a free Fighting spirit that is unfair if you ask me.

 

And for Warlock, Summoner they don't need a punish skill, Warlock dps > Destroyer anywayday.
 

infact summoner already got his own punish skill somehow, You can escape his first grab but second grab you won't escape and get alot of dps till death.

[Valiant]

And now I go against warlock two times in a row, Make me feel like quiting
 

The *cricket* is this shit, tons of dps that I can't Iframe like other classes and in same time I can't catch or dps him because many immunes and resist
 

*cricket* this game man for real, *cricket* it

[MasqavaBnS]

Destroyer isn't weak.

 

If you go against Warlock, take defensive spin, try to avoid their standard tether cheese at the start. 

Don't use your hongmoon emberstomp or stone shield BEFORE they go into time distort.

When they time distort: Use HM emberstomp + Shield, allows you to tank it.

 

Against sins, I have a lot of experience against Sins and fighting top tier sins. It's frustrating yes, but you gotta capitalise on the fact that once they're out of stealth, they're going to body swap you as soon as they can usually. This is where the I-frame comes in (or stone shield for block). Once they used it, they'll probably counter, this is where you use your gapclosing kick. They'll probably blow atleast one escape on this.  Another thing you can do is spec I-frame ram, and charge straight at them when they use place swap.

When they put a dagger in you, make sure you're ready to press F so they can't knock you up and then instantly punish them as you're right behind them.

Assassin is one of our biggest challenges because every cooldown we have is massively important for punishment.

 

KFM, if KFM charges at you, that's where they can't block and you can ram them straight in the face. try to be patient and bait out their Q/E/SS. If you see them make a weird uprising arm movement, they're probably placing a counter. We can't go superaggresive against them that's for sure. Again this is all about using your cooldowns efficiently and don't having them all get dodged. During maximum agility the KFM will usually run away, so you just back off and wait if they don't decide to punish you.

 

Destroyer is a well-rounded class that focuses on the punishment game, but has a hard time staying in the neutral game. They're well balanced.

[Phytolacca]

Just now, MasqavaBnS said:

Destroyer isn't weak.

 

If you go against Warlock, take defensive spin, try to avoid their standard tether cheese at the start. 

Don't use your hongmoon emberstomp or stone shield BEFORE they go into time distort.

When they time distort: Use HM emberstomp + Shield, allows you to tank it.

 

Against sins, I have a lot of experience against Sins and fighting top tier sins. It's frustrating yes, but you gotta capitalise on the fact that once they're out of stealth, they're going to body swap you as soon as they can usually. This is where the I-frame comes in (or stone shield for block). Once they used it, they'll probably counter, this is where you use your gapclosing kick. They'll probably blow atleast one escape on this.  Another thing you can do is spec I-frame ram, and charge straight at them when they use place swap.

When they put a dagger in you, make sure you're ready to press F so they can't knock you up and then instantly punish them as you're right behind them.

Assassin is one of our biggest challenges because every cooldown we have is massively important for punishment.

 

KFM, if KFM charges at you, that's where they can't block and you can ram them straight in the face. try to be patient and bait out their Q/E/SS. If you see them make a weird uprising arm movement, they're probably placing a counter. We can't go superaggresive against them that's for sure. Again this is all about using your cooldowns efficiently and don't having them all get dodged. During maximum agility the KFM will usually run away, so you just back off and wait if they don't decide to punish you.

 

Destroyer is a well-rounded class that focuses on the punishment game, but has a hard time staying in the neutral game. They're well balanced.

Almost every class has "punishment" game though, and let me tell you destroyer isn't anywhere near the best at this if u are using persistence instead of fury

[MasqavaBnS]

Just now, Phytolacca said:

Almost every class has "punishment" game though, and let me tell you destroyer isn't anywhere near the best at this if u are using persistence instead of fury

You're probably doing something fundementally wrong then. I'm in the top 100 in EU. Fought most of the people in it. Maybe your punishment is weak, arms are heavy. There's emberstomp on his hongmoon uniform already. Destroyer spaghetti. Against anyone but BD/Des you should run the 3 second stomp, your ram has a decent extension time. Stone shield another 3 seconds. Also, if they don't have backtumble, you can throw them up, piledriver them straight into HM emberstomp and they can't get up because they'll get hit by the emberstomp effect. We can punish hard if we do it well, and I already explained some things about hard matchups above.

[Brainy]

You should specify you're only talking about PvP, because from the title I was thinking "Why is he asking that ? Destroyers are unique".

 

Well, I guess the character/weapon models/ animations are pretty unique.  I find the shield unique, especially that you can jump while still "wearing it". Also, even if you don't take Fury, you can still do decent damage with persistence, the attack speed is there. So the anicancel is also pretty unique. Another thing is the red spin, complete immunity while you can stun with it, then you have the power slam and knee, they look pretty neat to me.

 

If you just talk about pure skill mechanic / damage then none of the classes are unique and this thread is pointless.

 

[MasqavaBnS]

It sounded a bit like a rant, while in fact, destroyer isn't weak. I first though the same. That destroyer was weak.

Changed a bit in my playstyle, changed a bit in my specs, practiced new tricks.

You can't expect to just be good. if you don't wanna practice like the others.

 

[Phytolacca]

Just now, MasqavaBnS said:

You're probably doing something fundementally wrong then. I'm in the top 100 in EU. Fought most of the people in it. Maybe your punishment is weak, arms are heavy. There's emberstomp on his hongmoon uniform already. Destroyer spaghetti. Against anyone but BD/Des you should run the 3 second stomp, your ram has a decent extension time. Stone shield another 3 seconds. Also, if they don't have backtumble, you can throw them up, piledriver them straight into HM emberstomp and they can't get up because they'll get hit by the emberstomp effect. We can punish hard if we do it well, and I already explained some things about hard matchups above.

Err..I don't think dest is weak..just not great at all if that makes sense. And again..every class has great punishment game soo yeah there really isn't  anything unique about destroyer in pvp.

 

Destroyer is great in pve though idk how some of these people could think otherwise though...

[Suna]

Funny thing is, you see from every other 7 classes unique, but your main class. Have you ever played anything else than destroyer?

[N3ro]

Derpstroyers are a lot different from other classes... They are the punish machines in b&s, much more than any other class in the game imo.

 

And also persistence is kind of an offensive escape you get 5 seconds of godmode where you can just mash my face and not care about anything. Now i at least have hm block and get out, because you´ll also hit into that instead of using your f key for a change. Before hm decoy you also didn´t even care. You just hit me 10 times before i could even ss away.

Also i did get 100-0´d from persistence derpstoyers when i didn´t have my escapes up.

[xCandyBear]

destroyers are good classe not even close to be weak if played decently like every class. Just no melee can compete with ranged classes in this game even a noobie fm or summ can easily beat u! Nothing will be changed about it, so get over it as i did, practice a lot, enjoy your character and let's hope fm and summoner become weaker in the future :)

[Rina Lockhart]

Candybear the no. 1 bait. Pvp is for melee in this game. Too many gap closers and gay damage for the lame "melee-range" argument

[Brainy]

16 minutes ago, xCandyBear said:

destroyers are good classe not even close to be weak if played decently like every class. Just no melee can compete with ranged classes in this game even a noobie fm or summ can easily beat u! Nothing will be changed about it, so get over it as i did, practice a lot, enjoy your character and let's hope fm and summoner become weaker in the future :)

I agree about FM being a bit hard for Destroyer, but Summoner ?

Summoners are the easiest matchups for Destroyer. But let's not go off-topic.

[xCandyBear]

26 minutes ago, Rina Lockhart said:

Candybear the no. 1 bait. Pvp is for melee in this game. Too many gap closers and gay damage for the lame "melee-range" argument

i didn't even understand what you said. Just a salty comment with no valid arguments? Don't get flammed so easily you should be happy when i say fm and summ overpowered means u playing one of the best classes at the moment in this game.

[Veral]

Doesn't matter really Eu servers laggs so much in the evening that any form of playing is sick joke. So every class will be equally shitty. As for Destroyer it's totally badass class. Lot of high ranked destroyers in Korea and China [espacially now when skill trees were reworked].

[InstantDeath]

In my opinion, you hit a new level of ignorance. All the skills that you call useless are game changer.

Tab spin gives you deflect, against force masters you remove 1 snare in each use. Blade dancers also have this, but it doesn't change tha fact that this skill is not useless.
Grab fills up your stamina and decreases 50% defence of your enemy.
Red spin is basicly my nightmare ( as an assassin ) if i don't have my ss or tab.
You talk about assassin's lotus flower as it was spammable. It has 45 seconds of cooldown, like your Persistance. Does exactly the same job, same cooldown time.
If you decide to use fury, best burst dps i've ever seen. Stun>Fury>X>Wraith and i'll be dead before your buff ends.
20% health regen shield which has 45 seconds of cooldown. Now, considering a match lasts 3 minutes, you get to use your shield 4 times and heal up to 80% of your hp.

But i think Destroyers are still weak. They should give them a cat + thrall at the same time. Not enough, a smoke bomb which gives 10 seconds of invisibility, they should remove the cd on V, like blade masters' block or assassin's decoy...
 

[Valiant]

44 minutes ago, InstantDeath said:

In my opinion, you hit a new level of ignorance. All the skills that you call useless are game changer.

• Tab spin gives you deflect, against force masters you remove 1 snare in each use. Blade dancers also have this, but it doesn't change tha fact that this skill is not useless.
• Grab fills up your stamina and decreases 50% defence of your enemy.
• Red spin is basicly my nightmare ( as an assassin ) if i don't have my ss or tab.
• You talk about assassin's lotus flower as it was spammable. It has 45 seconds of cooldown, like your Persistance. Does exactly the same job, same cooldown time.
• If you decide to use fury, best burst dps i've ever seen. Stun>Fury>X>Wraith and i'll be dead before your buff ends.
• 20% health regen shield which has 45 seconds of cooldown. Now, considering a match lasts 3 minutes, you get to use your shield 4 times and heal up to 80% of your hp.

But i think Destroyers are still weak. They should give them a cat + thrall at the same time. Not enough, a smoke bomb which gives 10 seconds of invisibility, they should remove the cd on V, like blade masters' block or assassin's decoy...
 

• Pierce parry would solve the problem, Most of classes special KFM and warlock pierce parry easily
• Go ahead and I dare you to grab any other classes for first time (Except destroyer or summoner ) you will get punished by freeze or knockback for grabbing them/
• Then sir, Don't be sad that is your fault because I never saw anyone stand in that Red spin at all.
• Persistance got a *cricket*ing 1 min cooldown not even close to 45 and beside without it destroyer can't 100-0 while you can 100-0 easily with right combo.
• And that what this class suppose to do and this what I was talking about, Why the hell every class able to 100-0 punish if they got tons of escape while I can\t escape much.

First, Shield used as stun skill because we leak from the stunning skills while if you assassin and saw Destroyer use shield a happy free time out winning.

But now, Please learn your class in the right way before you post a thing about destroyer cause your class is the troll one against destroyer.
 

6 hours ago, xCandyBear said:

destroyers are good classe not even close to be weak if played decently like every class. Just no melee can compete with ranged classes in this game even a noobie fm or summ can easily beat u! Nothing will be changed about it, so get over it as i did, practice a lot, enjoy your character and let's hope fm and summoner become weaker in the future :)

 

8 hours ago, MasqavaBnS said:

Destroyer isn't weak.

 

First, Please read the what I said very carefully and ignore the rest
I didn't mean or say Destroyer is weak, even I did say it very balance and the only balanced classes.
 

What I was talking about , That every other classes like KFM/BD for example can punish you for using tab with 100-0, Yes they do can do and if they can't do it sorry they are not expert with there class.

@MasqavaBnSI'm ranked between the 1-100 Destroyer in EU like you, So yes I understand everything you talking about but still you must admit that every other classes got something like fury that able to 100-0 (Punish method ) I know it slower than Fury but still able to 100-0 combo you.

Here the thing I was talking about the whole post, That Destroyer is balance because it the only class with less defensive and long IFrame CD but got the mechanism to punish from 100-0 if you made mistake.
 

But let's move to BD/KFM/BM for example, Every class of them got 1 escape from grab and the normal 36 second escape, Q,E and SS Iframe beside either block/counter or Resist 5 second ,2 second for BD.
 

They can do high dps over your head either as KFM lead with stun and some combo to 100-80 atleast or BD with perfect focus regain and air combo, Or Using Blade storm during phantom grab OR BM who can just with his new HM skill spam 10k Crit and do alot of light dps.
 

But if you look at destroyer, Just got tab like BD, No resist skill , SS and C Iframe that last around 12-22 second and his Q skill which is 45second or 1min second(Cost tons of focus this  version of it )
 

 

And that what I talk about, If Destroyer used his escape against BM/KFM/BD then they catch him he will get 100-0 as punish for using his escape.

So what is the difference ? The difference that destroyer leak from many escape, Resist and Iframe methods like other classes.
 

And how they can balance that  ? Not by change skill build but by change the stats for Destroyer, Destroyer suppose to have higher HP and higher defense that make it able to take their punish but no die 

[Valiant]

7 hours ago, Suna said:

Funny thing is, you see from every other 7 classes unique, but your main class. Have you ever played anything else than destroyer?

I did try summoner, FM, BD and BM 
 

 

7 hours ago, Phytolacca said:

Err..I don't think dest is weak..just not great at all if that makes sense. And again..every class has great punishment game soo yeah there really isn't  anything unique about destroyer in pvp.

 

Destroyer is great in pve though idk how some of these people could think otherwise though...

Sir, You almost the only one here who understand what I want to say.
I didn't say destroyer weak or deserve a pump , I say that every class if you made a mistake and used your escape against them they will catch you and 100-0 like a Destroyer, Maybe in a slow way but still a 100-0 no matter what.

like a KFM, Destroyer against each other, If both used escape and KFM catch Destroyer first he will win and visa versa .
 

But here come the tricky question what if both classes didn't use their Iframe, What will take them down? Here I will answer :
Destroyer(Using fury) : 2 Pierce parry(For Spin), 2 Stun, combo till he use escape (Cause KFM can do hell dps if you are stunned without using Pressure point),,2 Pierce Parry, 2 stun(Cooldown already done )

Destroyer(Using Blue buff) : 2 Pierce parry(For Spin), 2 Stun, combo till he use escape (Cause KFM can do hell dps if you are stunned without using Pressure point),,2 Pierce Parry, 2 stun(Cooldown already done ) till he use Blue buff, Repeat
Kung Fu Master : 2 Block/counter breaker atleast (Destroyer got only 1 block breaker from range and the other one will be messed anyway due to short range ),3 stuns(So he can make a good ani-cancel) , Need to make a fail grab at first due to frost escape then make a successful grab to put them down for another ani-cancel till he use his escape,Then fury if you use fury or else you will repeat same old method in a slow way till you take it down and can't 100-0.
 

Now let's add the Iframe for both classes : 

Destroyer(Using fury) :Try not to hit him into his Iframe that have 22 second CD and 12 second CD, 2 Pierce parry(For Spin), 2 Stun, combo till he use escape (Cause KFM can do hell dps if you are stunned without using Pressure point),Try not to hit him into his Iframe that have 22 second CD and 12 second CD,2 Pierce Parry, 2 stun(Cooldown already done )

But for Kung fu master: Try not to hit his IFrame of 2 second x3 times or else evade for 6 second(Cause it short Iframe CD), 2 Block/counter breaker atleast (Destroyer got only 1 block breaker from range and the other one will be messed anyway due to short range ),3 stuns(So he can make a good ani-cancel) , Need to make a fail grab at first due to frost escape then make a successful grab to put them down for another ani-cancel till he use his escape,Then fury if you use fury or else you will repeat same old method in a slow way till you take it down and can't 100-0.


See the difference now that I talk about ?

[Phytolacca]

Pretty much what Valiant said. Destroyer's kit is just trash if compared to other classes. I mean I played BD and Kfm too bd was just..LOL why did they even create this class?..

and as a kfm i caught players rather easily most of the time without their escapes but quit because its simply too hard to 3rf properly with high ping(srsly fix this)