You had one job, NC.

[TheRealElvis]

Took 4 years to "westernize" the game, but that one thing, that most important of them all, remains unchanged. Toning down RNG is a must, and biasing towards indexed fixed rate mechanic. THAT is the most important job in westernizing Any MMO.

 

I've ran Tomb Of Exiles close to 90 times now, out of those runs, only 8 Spider Matriarch spawns have occured, and none of them have resulted in the cosmetic drop. Is this your idea of "enjoyable changes for western markets"? Get real, how long were you planning to keep achievers on the game?

[Pohwan]

1 hour ago, TheRealElvis said:

 indexed fixed rate mechanic

Yes, this is precisely how I would describe this game's RNG. Without the 'indexed'. And with a "low, really low" after 'fixed'. Either you get stuff on your first runs or you're punished. BnS NA/EU is just a sad joke. And this is how NCSoft feels about it: https://goo.gl/hNa0sp

But in the end the biggest joke is me.

[moveZneedle]

Gotta calm down a bit dont you think..

[UltimateFurball]

Do you have an intention to rip off as much money as possible from those meat ATMs?

NCsoft: No, we don't have that.

 

Do you have the policy of putting as little effort/investment into this game as possible?

NCsoft: No we don't have that.

 

Do you have a plan to localise this game as much as possible for  western players ?

NCsoft: No we don't have that.

Actually, you can have this one.

NCsoft: No, this one we really don't have.

 

[Zuzu]

So you got the bad end of the stick with RNG and now it's NCsoft.

Cute.

[TheRealElvis]

2 minutes ago, Zuzu said:

So you got the bad end of the stick with RNG and now it's NCsoft.

Cute.

Lazy coding and forgetting one the primary cornerstones of making an enjoyable core mechanic in the west? Yes, that most certainly is on NC.

 

Which really is a shame. The game's packed with great ideas and nice practical design choices, yet falls to the very same, simple failures as any other eastern MMO. Such a wasted potential.

[TopKEK]

I won't lie, RNGesus on this game is definitely something of a huge flaw when it comes to certain aspects of the game, a boss being one of them.

 

I haven't really seen an MMO outside of Guild Wars (first one) where mobs are RNG. And even then, in Guild Wars the RNG is their location, not necessarily the boss themselves. Why a boss is RNG to begin with is weird to me. 

[MinaTakashi]

Enjoyable core mechanic in the western area is "uh candy can i have it" "yes of course here you have it without needing to do a shit for it"

 

Sorry but RNG is RNG. A 1% chance of getting something with each run is only a 1% change. If you are unlucky you will not get it within 200 runs.

 

I played Ragnarok online where Mob Card drops had a chance of 0.01% This means theoretically, killing 1000 mobs would give 1 card. But no its not like this.

Its a 0.01% chance for each mob you kill to drop it, and this chance "resets" every time if you want to see it that way.

 

[TheRealElvis]

15 minutes ago, MinaTakashi said:

Enjoyable core mechanic in the western area is "uh candy can i have it" "yes of course here you have it without needing to do a shit for it"

Confirmed for never, ever played a western rocket propelled grenade. By all means, of course consecutive runs to farm become easier with upgraded virtual hardware on those buttcheecks, but do you know what makes a fixed rate system objectively superior as opposed to RNG? Well I'll tell you anyways;

 

Because with a fixed rate mechanic, it doesen't matter how low you drag the droprate, it's for a reason often sub-1% for rarity ware. This means you will always, eventually, get rewarded for your work. Yes it will take possibly hundreds of runs, but you know for certain that the item you desire is there, slowly coming for you, just gotta keep your mind at it.

 

This game's design flaws are already dragging it down the same path as ESTSoft, albeit ESTSoft was technically a more competent developer. Years to tailor for western markets, and missing half the foundation.

 

It is also the reason why Ragnarok was a failure in the west, nothing more than a virtual social room with combat, and only good for pixel porn.

@Hime @Avenger

Do you sell luck in this game? Because if you, let me know.

[MinaTakashi]

Ragnarok used a fixed rate, as well as any other MMOrpg that i know about, uses some sort of fixed rate for rare items. There are of course games that makes the "desired" Item available through some sort of shop but for the drop it is alway a fixed rate that comes in for every monster you are hitting on its own.

 

Ragnarok was sort of popular but it was too early and the appearance does not appeal to everyone. As it is always a preferences thing. Also Ragnarok in EU had not that much of a advertisement and stuff like newer age MMOrpgs.

[TopKEK]

Personally I think the Exile Spider should always be there to begin with. 

 

I see no reason for a boss to be RNG, let alone one from a dungeon. 

[Succubus Lilith]

Oh, you farmed for Spider Fang too?

 

While the RNG can be....painful to indescribable levels, I at least find the item itself to be of much higher value because of such.

 

Maybe I'm just used to heavy RNG.

 

To each their own.

At least achievement shop will give an optional way to get certain cosmetics.

[Exaration]

First it's the game is too easy make it harder...Now it's this game is too hard! RNG is kicking my ass make it easier! BabyRage

Mkay...

[HamletZ]

Part of what makes that cosmetic valuable is it's hard to get. 

 

Anyway, you don't need it.  Going for RNG cosmetic drops should be just something to try for when you have free time.  They aren't necessary or help you fight or anything.

 

If they were easy to get everyone would be wearing them and they wouldn't be as cool.

[XIAO]

Oh boy an RNG thread

 

How about that hay quest where you can spawn a drunk, a pig, or the quest objective, which takes three hours to complete because lolrng!

 

Woo!

[Bummer]

With the horrible ping in NA, I am surprised you all re not playing in other offices like Japan, Korea or China. Japan is the best, practically no RNG and on their version of the daily dash we actually get dragon tokens that can be collected to buy cosmetics from the online cash shop.

Daily dash here, potions and repair tools + some other stuff you can buy or just get as drops. In Japan at the very end you get a cool outfit, just for playing

Instances in NA, most of the boxes dropped from bosses are ripped off and what you get?  Potions, Manju and more Potions.

If you don't understand Japanese, just use the English .xml file and get going.

Since I am learning English, NA is good for me. But as I play the game and I experience all the shrinking they've done to drops and prizes... I see how much disrespect for their community of customers this office of NCWest shows.

 

[Lenia]

When it comes to PvE progress at last

I'm a paying user, made a Warlock 2 Weeks ago and already have better gear than my friend who plays the same character since release(Could be done within a few days, but had to farm tokens for pirate weaps etc). He's a 100% free user, never invested a single penny into the game.

[RiddleTrickster]

When it takes you running a dungeon over and over for SEVEN CONSECUTIVE hours for an equipment WEAPON THAT YOU STILL DON'T HAVE that you need, there is a problem.

[Dray0s]

I've always wondered if these posts are over-exaggerated, never had to farm a weapon 90 times over..

 

 

[Magdaelena]

Stop being lousy...RNG that...RNG this...

90 runs??? OMG that must take like 90 days you are my hero....oh wait...ammm....no...ehm...propebly 5-6 hours.

And yes in my opinion these posts are over-exaggerated .

For those who complain about  RNG  and hard work  and all...Play  Lineage 2 Classic...And please try to gether materials for SoE or equivalent weapon.

After that come back here and try to complain again.

And if you have "Bad Luck" ...well then look for guilty person in the mirror...life sucks sometimes even in games

 

[877567_1452550445]

You are complaining about the low drop rate of a cosmetic item? LOL Unless it is something required to make progress in the game you have no case.

[xArinx]

3 hours ago, Bummer said:

With the horrible ping in NA, I am surprised you all re not playing in other offices like Japan, Korea or China. Japan is the best, practically no RNG and on their version of the daily dash we actually get dragon tokens that can be collected to buy cosmetics from the online cash shop.

Daily dash here, potions and repair tools + some other stuff you can buy or just get as drops. In Japan at the very end you get a cool outfit, just for playing

Instances in NA, most of the boxes dropped from bosses are ripped off and what you get?  Potions, Manju and more Potions.

If you don't understand Japanese, just use the English .xml file and get going.

Since I am learning English, NA is good for me. But as I play the game and I experience all the shrinking they've done to drops and prizes... I see how much disrespect for their community of customers this office of NCWest shows.

 

You forgot the fact that JP BnS charged us a hefty 3000yen per month here just to play, it's free now, cos it's almost dead. But there was a reason why things were easier, we payed triple the NA prem rate. I would say that's fair, specially considering it also has the cash shop to rip moar moniz.

[RiddleTrickster]

2 hours ago, Magdaelena said:

Stop being lousy...RNG that...RNG this...

90 runs??? OMG that must take like 90 days you are my hero....oh wait...ammm....no...ehm...propebly 5-6 hours.

And yes in my opinion these posts are over-exaggerated .

For those who complain about  RNG  and hard work  and all...Play  Lineage 2 Classic...And please try to gether materials for SoE or equivalent weapon.

After that come back here and try to complain again.

And if you have "Bad Luck" ...well then look for guilty person in the mirror...life sucks sometimes even in games

 

I joined the dungeon at 12 AM. ran it, joined it again, ran it, then waited to join the dungeon again, ran it, ran it, waited. 2am. ran it, waited ran it, waited, ran it, nearly 4 am- all the way to 6AM. I didn't once leave my seat. and I still don't have my EQUIP WEAPON. I am not exaggerating. Btw, this RNG is wrong, I got a weapon twice or more for practically every class. It is rigged, period.  If this wern't a problem people wouldn't point it out.

2 hours ago, Dray0s said:

I've always wondered if these posts are over-exaggerated, never had to farm a weapon 90 times over..

 

 

I have yet to do that, and I hope I don't. 

[Magdaelena]

30 minutes ago, RiddleTrickster said:

I joined the dungeon at 12 AM. ran it, joined it again, ran it, then waited to join the dungeon again, ran it, ran it, waited. 2am. ran it, waited ran it, waited, ran it, nearly 4 am- all the way to 6AM. I didn't once leave my seat. and I still don't have my EQUIP WEAPON. I am not exaggerating.

I have yet to do that, and I hope I don't. 

. I didn't once leave my seat.  sorry mate...i wont belive in that  :)

and its ONLY 6 hours...Like I said...Try  L2Classic and then complain.

And again "like I said" life sucks sometimes even in games  Maby next time you will get lucky.

 

In diferent topic...

I dont get it why ppl now have this  need of "geting everything fast...faster...gogogo"

When there was server opening and someone buy 3 days headstart and he wanna be quick fast and all just to be one of first on the finish line...That I can understand.

But now???...theres no need of that cos if someone dont have good guild party / isint maxed out and dont have ton of gold and another ton of naryu silver then he wont be anything near of geting first on finish.

Now is best time to stop the "Rat Race" and start to enjoy the game.

 

[TofuChicken]

i can rly understand the hate on farming the lvl 20 and 36 breaktroughs, they should include an essence so u can buy it after atleast 20 or 30 runs.

 

But dudes, costumes? it just HAVE to be rng, its a cind of Prestige just to have a skin out of laby e.g, otherwise u wouldnt go and say "Jeah lets run a bit maybe i get it today that would be awesome" u would just check ur clock instead and say "Nah i dont have the hour today maybe tomorrow" also it would destroy the whole feeling after finaly getting ur wished costume it would just be "done with work lets go home" ...