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Legendary weapons will not be coming in the Unchained update. It is currently extremely difficult to upgrade a Legendary weapon without adding P2W components. We are keeping firm on our principle to not have P2W. Legendary weapons will come at a later time, after it is evaluated on how to provide players with more natural and more accessible means of upgrading.

Like buying gold from the china farmer of your trust?

 

Nah, totally not p2w.

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AttacKat   
44 minutes ago, DeaDBreaD said:

Nah, totally not p2w.

 

Question, do you even know what it takes to upgrade a legendary weapon, and why at current content, it can only be doable via P2W?

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Elvenmad   

 

 We are keeping firm on our principle to not have P2W  Hmmmm......................Currency Exchange ?   LMAO

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Kyojin   
4 minutes ago, Elvenmad said:

 

 We are keeping firm on our principle to not have P2W  Hmmmm......................Currency Exchange ?   LMAO

And how is that p2w?

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Soher   
5 minutes ago, Elvenmad said:

 

 We are keeping firm on our principle to not have P2W  Hmmmm......................Currency Exchange ?   LMAO

What are you winning or losing exactly?

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pay to win would be obtaining something in shop that can never be obtained in the game by normal means.Getting gold w ncoin is just speeding things up its more pay to speed up grinding process

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Elvenmad   

 NO P2W is spending cash to have a advantage over others that dont spend cash nothing to do with the shop,, yes some things can be got in game but the crazy RNG and low drop rates put grinders at a considerable disadvantage

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Meiling   

Currency exchange is crap anyways, if you want to buy something, just straight out but the item from someone with the gold you have. These things will always exist if there's a gift item options in shop and I'm sure there will be a lot more people crying about that if they got rid of it than the people crying about currency exchange.

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Elvenmad   
1 minute ago, Meiling said:

Currency exchange is crap anyways, if you want to buy something, just straight out but the item from someone with the gold you have. These things will always exist if there's a gift item options in shop and I'm sure there will be a lot more people crying about that if they got rid of it than the people crying about currency exchange.

 

they wont get rid of it because for one, its a gold sink and two, its making them alot of profit too, as with most MMO's theres always plenty of whales with far more money than brain cells.

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Meiling   
1 minute ago, Elvenmad said:

 

they wont get rid of it because for one, its a gold sink and two, its making them alot of profit too, as with most MMO's theres always plenty of whales with far more money than brain cells.

I never said they should nor want them to lol. I was just stating, if you really don't want currency exchange then if you really want to remove the concept of selling ncoins / item, you would have to get rid of gifting to fully get rid of it and there would end up with a lot more people crying over that than the amount crying over the shitty exchange.

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Nogueira   
1 hour ago, Elvenmad said:

its 100% p2w  change cash > Ncoin for gold, buy unlimited upgrade mats, how is that not p2w ?

 

Player 1 buys NCoin and use the currency exchange to get 1000g. Reaches True Pirate in 3 days.

Player 2 farm everyday, reaches True Pirate in 1 week.

 

BOTH WILL REACH TRUE PIRATE, BOTH WILL HAVE THE SAME STATS AT THE END.

Player 1 CAN'T HAVE MORE STATS THAN Player2 at the end, because there's nothing Player 1 can buy that Player2 can't farm in-game.

 

P2W is when a non-paying player CAN'T achieve the same stats as a paying player.

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PvPMS   

Anyone who denies that this game is pay to win just doesn't understand what pay to win means

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Rief   
10 minutes ago, Nogueira said:

 

Player 1 buys NCoin and use the currency exchange to get 1000g. Reaches True Pirate in 3 days.

Player 2 farm everyday, reaches True Pirate in 1 week.

 

BOTH WILL REACH TRUE PIRATE, BOTH WILL HAVE THE SAME STATS AT THE END.

Player 1 CAN'T HAVE MORE STATS THAN Player2 at the end, because there's nothing Player 1 can buy that Player2 can't farm in-game.

 

P2W is when a non-paying player CAN'T achieve the same stats as a paying player.

 

"P2W is when a non-paying player CAN'T achieve the same stats as a paying player. "

 

I absolutely agree with this Nog, that's why this is a P2W. 

 

Please tell me what are they if they are not stat...

 

http://www.bladeandsoul.com/uk/news/premium-membership/

 

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Until Premium membership available in hongmoon store, a non paying player can never obtain it in secure way, it's P2W.

Edited by Rief

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Dowra   
1 hour ago, Elvenmad said:

its 100% p2w  change cash > Ncoin for gold, buy unlimited upgrade mats, how is that not p2w ?

Its like someone paying to get on an elevator instead of taking the stairs.  You just get to the end faster. You dont win anything. Hell it aint even a race.

They just decide to rush to the finish line and no ones even there to greet em.

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Pay to win would imply you pay money to get something that would actually allow you to shit on other players in the arena or something along those lines.

 

 

The current features that you purchase with NCoin are what one could consider 'pay to skip' since they merely speed up an individual players progression to the endgame, which in some cases may not even be what the player wants anyhow.

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2 hours ago, RyceCream said:

More like pay2getbanned. What are you trying to say?

I dont think anyone has been banned for buying gold. There is people who openly admitted in faction chat to spending close to 1000USD on gold and they havent had a single thing happen to them in weeks. Still around. Some people had True Pirate and full upgraded True Siren Accs within like 3 days. Several admitted to buying gold cause in their words "Like NCsoft cares" 

Along with that apparently the gold sellers have you put items on the AH and buy that item which makes it insanely hard for NCsoft to even track that let alone confirm it is a RMT sale. Which is why you see items like Healing Potions up for hundreds of gold and actually see them sell. Yes you can look at the logs in the AH sales and go "Ok this item that has been selling for 1g just sold for 1000g thats not right" However the whole point of the AH it to put a item up for whatever price you want and see if it sells. It can be argued that you could get banned for trying to adjust prices of something and be accused of RMT. Another method I have seen talked about in chats if they have bots just bit a pisston on a item in a dungeon and you pass. They win the item and you get the gold. 

Sadly the bots have a very efficient method of getting gold to players very discreetly. While these systems add a very nice freedom to selling items and the bid system adds a unique way of players making gold even if they didnt get their item it makes it very easy to be abused. Once you start going after people for these methods it puts a stigma out there that you have to be careful on what you sell and you have to worry about bidding to high on a item. I have personally accidently over bit the hell out of a soul shield once (20g) in BSH. I meant to type in 2g(a guy pissed me off and I didn't want him getting the SS and the fight went up to 1.2g) However I didn't realize it would put that 2 in front of the 0 -.-; So I got that shield for sure.

Also it is not known if NCsoft actually keeps record of what player name the money goes to from a auction trade. Not every game saves these details. Had a issue in Ether Saga where someone got into a friends account took all their stuff and mailed it. However we found out that they do not save the logs of mail being sent. Some games do some games dont. One very consistent thing I have seen though is many games do not save Auction House name data(EX. the name of who sold what) Most games only keep previous sales numbers up. 

To put it lightly the game is currently *cricket*ed up in many ways. The sellers have a system which makes it incredibly hard to be caught. They run the KR servers pretty much and if it was so easy to ban those who bought gold the KR servers would not be 100% overrun with them. 

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news757   

These topics pop up all the time smh. Its quite simple if you think its p2w and want to complain just go play something else.

 Doesnt matter what is said this person aint never going to change their mind.

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even if it don't give stats it's still p2w if you can exchange ncoins to do it 1 day while a normal play will need 1 year of hardcore farming

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12 minutes ago, Justsomeone said:

even if it don't give stats it's still p2w if you can exchange ncoins to do it 1 day while a normal play will need 1 year of hardcore farming

Not pay to win. Pay for convenience. 
Pay to win would be buying items that boost your damage by 100% for 1 hour out of the cash shop. Buying items that boost your defense by 70% 
Buying a potion that auto heals you to full when you hit a certin % of health and it has a usage of like 10 million health(some games do have this)

Having a item in the cash shop that could be used in place of a break through item and having different tiers of this such as 
Viridian Counterfeit: Use in place of any breakthrough item up to Blighted" 
Cinderelands Jewel: Use in place of any break through item up to (whenever cincerland breakthroughs end)
 Moonwater Plains Treasure: Use in place of any Breakthrough item up to True Profane (Insert weapon type)
Poharan's Secret: Use in place of any Siren Breakthrough item
Hae Mujins Legacy: Use in place of any Pirate Breakthrough item

Mercenary's Token:Use in place of Warrior Tokens for upgrade"
Counterfeit Naryu: Use in place of any amount of Naryu Silver or Gold 

THAT SHIT is pay to win. 

Just because I can make a couple bronze a kill and maybe a full gold in 10 hours of grinding does not make it pay to win. The bronze that drops is very minimal shit that does almost nothing. Premium does not give us access to some super secret zone where mobs *cricket* Gold and shit Soul-stones and Moon water Transformation Stones are harvest items with 2 second re spawns. It does not increase our damage to kill bosses faster. It does not make our defense indomitable and tank the entire Blood Shade Harbor 4 man while we watch porn on the other screen.


EVERY CLASS is capable of soloing Brightstone Ruins. Which is what most people do to make their gold. And most people will not even use the coin exchange due to a 10% fee off anything you sell/buy. 

Edited by ThreeFeetofMagic

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Nogueira   

Let's assume the MAX atack power atm is 450.

 

Paying player will reach 450atk power in 3 days.

NON-paying player will reach 450atk power in 7 days.

BOTH will reach the same atk power.

 

If the game was P2w:

Paying player reaches 450atk power.

NON-paying player reacher 400atk power. To reach 450, he needs to buy a special gem from the NCOIN cash shop.

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Haishao   
23 minutes ago, Justsomeone said:

even if it don't give stats it's still p2w if you can exchange ncoins to do it 1 day while a normal play will need 1 year of hardcore farming

P2W implies there's no possible other way than to PAY to WIN

 

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