In-Depth PvE Build and Rotation Explanation - Burn Spec

[Inevia]

 

An in-depth guide on the burn build and how to utilize it.

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[Ryunosuke]

Very clear explanation and visuals! I've been using this build for weeks but I never found a nice guide about it. Just wanted to compliment you ^^

 

I think a lot of people will appreciate this video :) Keep it up!

[KamijoTouma]

Your gear is very good, but your spec and rotation's dps won't be higher than mine. My AP is only 354

You don't utilize flame orbs(10% damage increase) and  dragon blaze(+100 flame damage)

RMB is only 500+ damage, it costs focus,it can mess up rotation, it is useless.

What's the  point of tornado? Its damage is negligible and does not generate any buff or debuff.

blazing beam is not a bad skill. but its damage is lower than  dragon blaze and stacks ember too slow. Sometime you need fast ember to keep the burn debuff.

Also you ignore windstorm. Windstorm can deal brutal damage(4000+ crit per hit with your gear, about 4 hits per sec) when the target is under some controlls. It also triggers(or affected by) no global cooldown and has no animation. Costs too much focus? true profane and 'C' can solve the problem.

Dragon blaze, damage higher than blaze beam, increases 100 flame damage(about 5%+), decreases meteor CD by 3 sec, stacks 5 ember. Best skill of FM.

 

This is my build, I complete abandon frost damage skills: https://bnstree.com/FM/Vkpp_8Wol

Initiate with short fuse, hold LMB and use meteor. If you are lucky, fire fury will be available, then enter fire fury + dragonblaze rotation. Throw infernal when you have the dragonblaze buff and 3 flame orbits(note that dragonblaze consumes orbits). Use meteor whenever available. Use impact, short fuse and infernal to keep the burn debuff on target.  If fire fury + dragonblaze is not available, use blaze beam to fill the gap. Use windstorm whenever it is available and enjoy the big numbers.

As a WoW player I can guarantee the high dps of this build. 

Edit: a RMB may be added added after dragon blaze for optimal DPS

[Ryunosuke]

What about glacial Beam? It isn't mentioned yet. The stun is quite nice and can disrupt some boss' mechanics.

[Inevia]

Oops! I suppose I forgot to talk about it^^ Yes, it is very important to switch to Glacial Beam for bosses like Blood Mane ;)

Thank you for your kind words by the way = ]

[Temjiu]

2 hours ago, KamijoTouma said:

Your gear is very good, but your spec and rotation's dps won't be higher than mine. My AP is only 354

You don't utilize flame orbs(10% damage increase) and  dragon blaze(+100 flame damage)

RMB is only 500+ damage, it costs focus,it can mess up rotation, it is useless.

What's the  point of tornado? Its damage is negligible and does not generate any buff or debuff.

blazing beam is not a bad skill. but its damage is lower than  dragon blaze and stacks ember too slow. Sometime you need fast ember to keep the burn debuff.

Also you ignore windstorm. Windstorm can deal brutal damage(4000+ crit per hit with your gear, about 4 hits per sec) when the target is under some controlls. It also triggers(or affected by) no global cooldown and has no animation. Costs too much focus? true profane and 'C' can solve the problem.

Dragon blaze, damage higher than blaze beam, increases 100 flame damage(about 5%+), decreases meteor CD by 3 sec, stacks 5 ember. Best skill of FM.

 

This is my build, I complete abandon frost damage skills: https://bnstree.com/FM/Vkpp_8Wol

Initiate with short fuse, hold LMB and use meteor. If you are lucky, fire fury will be available, then enter fire fury + dragonblaze rotation. Throw infernal when you have the dragonblaze buff and 3 flame orbits(note that dragonblaze consumes orbits). Use meteor whenever available. Use impact, short fuse and infernal to keep the burn debuff on target.  If fire fury + dragonblaze is not available, use blaze beam to fill the gap. Use windstorm whenever it is available and enjoy the big numbers.

As a WoW player I can guarantee the high dps of this build. 

You have some interesting thoughts there Kamijo! But it's not the people over there on the NA forums that you need to convince...there are players that have been playing for 5+ years in other regions, that are still using cold in the burn build. I suggest that you head over to bladeandsouldojo forums and post there for a better debate on removing the cold skills or not. It's an english website that's been up for awhile that has a much larger spread of population to discuss things.

 

In the meantime I will be continuing to use the traditional burn build that the KR folks are using...unless you have some revealing data to be able to show us. Perhaps its just the current build we have? that's possible, but again, your arguing against years of experience in this, So your in the court of proving your data.

[KamijoTouma]

2 minutes ago, Temjiu said:

You have some interesting thoughts there Kamijo! But it's not the people over there on the NA forums that you need to convince...there are players that have been playing for 5+ years in other regions, that are still using cold in the burn build. I suggest that you head over to bladeandsouldojo forums and post there for a better debate on removing the cold skills or not. It's an english website that's been up for awhile that has a much larger spread of population to discuss things.

 

In the meantime I will be continuing to use the traditional burn build that the KR folks are using...unless you have some revealing data to be able to show us. Perhaps its just the current build we have? that's possible, but again, your arguing against years of experience in this, So your in the court of proving your data.

 

I'm not saying I'm the expert here, just stating that when it comes to following advice, i tend to follow 2 things: factual data, and experience. since I don't see where your experience in this game is (sorry, WoW doesn't count), I follow the experience of the KR players.

interesting. So this that build has been long used in KR and CHN. Or maybe we don't have the same game, like skill trees, skill details? But anyway there is no damage meter for this game so its hard to make a hard judge. One guy on reddit is making a damage meter. Hope he can finish it soon.

[Temjiu]

3 minutes ago, KamijoTouma said:

interesting. So this that build has been long used in KR and CHN. Or maybe we don't have the same game, like skill trees, skill details? But anyway there is no damage meter for this game so its hard to make a hard judge. One guy on reddit is making a damage meter. Hope he can finish it soon.

that would definitely help out (damage meter). I also agree that there's possibly some differences due to build...as an example, the burn build itself wasn't very viable until we got the hongmoon patch anyways. I'm looking forward to seeing how everything turns out!

 

On a personal note: dropping ice definitely makes the rotation feel smoother. I tend to use the chill stacks playing solo, so it feels even clunkier there. But I also play a Destro, so i'm used to using an off-beat rotation. 

[Oracle]

There are definitely good builds now without using the burn build. Thanks to our current patch. It was dificult for new players like I am without good guides out there.

 

This video is one of the best burn build guide I've seen. I never completely understood the burn build until now.

 

For the new players, my tip is have fun and play with whichever build works for you. FM is a fun but can be difficult class so don't be afraid to experiment.

 

 

Thanks @Inevia for this guide!

[Inevia]

4 hours ago, Oracle said:

There are definitely good builds now without using the burn build. Thanks to our current patch. It was dificult for new players like I am without good guides out there.

 

This video is one of the best burn build guide I've seen. I never completely understood the burn build until now.

 

For the new players, my tip is have fun and play with whichever build works for you. FM is a fun but can be difficult class so don't be afraid to experiment.

 

 

Thanks @Inevia for this guide!

Thank you so much for your kind words. Glad I was able to help = ]

[InoriYuzurihaDesu]

Personally, i dont use any F, except dual dragon if i put points into it, fire fury and blaze dps is currently a loss id say. Funny explanation on ur LMB tier 4 stage 1 ahahahahahahahah!!!!

And i looked at Kamijo's build, you dont have RMB, so ur not ani-cancelling, ok... then what ru doing here..? Which does more dps from ani-cancelling vs no ani-cancelling is pretty clear i think o.o, isnt it?

[KamijoTouma]

4 minutes ago, InoriYuzurihaDesu said:

Personally, i dont use any F, except dual dragon if i put points into it, fire fury and blaze dps is currently a loss id say. Funny explanation on ur LMB tier 4 stage 1 ahahahahahahahah!!!!

And i looked at Kamijo's build, you dont have RMB, so ur not ani-cancelling, ok... then what ru doing here..? Which does more dps from ani-cancelling vs no ani-cancelling is pretty clear i think o.o, isnt it?

I don't need any animation cancelling. The rotation runs very smooth. Adding a RMB will ruin the smoothness. A LMB can fill all gaps between 2 skills.

Not using fire fury will only let you lose dps. the totally damage of fire fury + dragon blaze is basically = 2 blaze beams. But it keeps the fire damage buff and stacks ember much faster. And this rotation doesn't cost focus, you can always have 10 focus to wait for a chance to burst with windstorm. And yes I must mention windstorm. This is the MVP skill of FM i don't know why people are ignoring it. With my gear, it deals 2k per hit, 4 hits per second. It also increases crit by 3% per hit. My base crit is 42%, with 10 stack bonus is 72%. Then the dps from it is 2000*4*1.72 = 13760 dmg/sec. Is this the highest dps know in current BnS? If you have true profane buff or used short fuse. you can just spam it.

I also tried to use frost palm to provide a little bit more theoretical extra dps. But it just ruined my rotation, you need to stay in fire stance to spam fire fury and dragonblaze. 

[BaSiLB]

On 2/20/2016 at 5:34 PM, KamijoTouma said:

Your gear is very good, but your spec and rotation's dps won't be higher than mine. My AP is only 354

You don't utilize flame orbs(10% damage increase) and  dragon blaze(+100 flame damage)

RMB is only 500+ damage, it costs focus,it can mess up rotation, it is useless.

What's the  point of tornado? Its damage is negligible and does not generate any buff or debuff.

blazing beam is not a bad skill. but its damage is lower than  dragon blaze and stacks ember too slow. Sometime you need fast ember to keep the burn debuff.

Also you ignore windstorm. Windstorm can deal brutal damage(4000+ crit per hit with your gear, about 4 hits per sec) when the target is under some controlls. It also triggers(or affected by) no global cooldown and has no animation. Costs too much focus? true profane and 'C' can solve the problem.

Dragon blaze, damage higher than blaze beam, increases 100 flame damage(about 5%+), decreases meteor CD by 3 sec, stacks 5 ember. Best skill of FM.

 

This is my build, I complete abandon frost damage skills: https://bnstree.com/FM/Vkpp_8Wol

Initiate with short fuse, hold LMB and use meteor. If you are lucky, fire fury will be available, then enter fire fury + dragonblaze rotation. Throw infernal when you have the dragonblaze buff and 3 flame orbits(note that dragonblaze consumes orbits). Use meteor whenever available. Use impact, short fuse and infernal to keep the burn debuff on target.  If fire fury + dragonblaze is not available, use blaze beam to fill the gap. Use windstorm whenever it is available and enjoy the big numbers.

As a WoW player I can guarantee the high dps of this build. 

can you explain the rotation more pls :D

[KamijoTouma]

36 minutes ago, BaSiLB said:

can you explain the rotation more pls :D

start with short fuse, meteor. Try to get fire fury + dragon blaze as fast as possible. Spam fury + dragon blaze whenever they are available while keeping the burn debuff on target. If they are not available, use blazing beam  to fill the gap. Use infernal when target is under 5 ember and when you have the dragon blaze buff. Use meteor whenever it is available. Save later short fuse for possible windstorm burst.

Skill priority:

1.windstorm

2.meteor

3.infernal

4.impact if burn expiring

5.fury + dragon blaze

6.blazing beam

Also you hold LMB all the time

[BaSiLB]

35 minutes ago, KamijoTouma said:

start with short fuse, meteor. Try to get fire fury + dragon blaze as fast as possible. Spam fury + dragon blaze whenever they are available while keeping the burn debuff on target. If they are not available, use blazing beam  to fill the gap. Use infernal when target is under 5 ember and when you have the dragon blaze buff. Use meteor whenever it is available. Save later short fuse for possible windstorm burst.

Skill priority:

1.windstorm

2.meteor

3.infernal

4.impact if burn expiring

5.fury + dragon blaze

6.blazing beam

Also you hold LMB all the time

thank you !! 

[KamijoTouma]

11 minutes ago, BaSiLB said:

thank you !! 

I just found it is possible to insert a RMB after fire fury + dragon blaze. you may do it if you want.

[BaSiLB]

6 minutes ago, KamijoTouma said:

I just found it is possible to insert a RMB after fire fury + dragon blaze. you may do it if you want.

yes i think it will make the combo faster.

[Temjiu]

3 hours ago, KamijoTouma said:

I just found it is possible to insert a RMB after fire fury + dragon blaze. you may do it if you want.

yup. it's one of the reasons why the burn build works so well. you can pretty much fit 3 skills (rl2) in the same timeframe that it would normally take to do 1 skill (or so, pending ping). 

[Inevia]

On 2/21/2016 at 2:30 AM, InoriYuzurihaDesu said:

Personally, i dont use any F, except dual dragon if i put points into it, fire fury and blaze dps is currently a loss id say. Funny explanation on ur LMB tier 4 stage 1 ahahahahahahahah!!!!

And i looked at Kamijo's build, you dont have RMB, so ur not ani-cancelling, ok... then what ru doing here..? Which does more dps from ani-cancelling vs no ani-cancelling is pretty clear i think o.o, isnt it?

Hehe, people have to start moving away from auto-detonate, it hurts their DPS as well as gives every other Force Master a hard time finding the right moment to use impact. It is like a small challenge though ^^

Glad you like the video. There's more where that came from ; )

[BaSiLB]

On 2/21/2016 at 9:17 PM, KamijoTouma said:

I just found it is possible to insert a RMB after fire fury + dragon blaze. you may do it if you want.

i think u changed a bit in ur build or added something according to bnstree 

[Naruchin]

Thank you for the video, very nice explanation!

[Kurohime]

On 2/20/2016 at 8:34 AM, KamijoTouma said:

Your gear is very good, but your spec and rotation's dps won't be higher than mine. My AP is only 354

You don't utilize flame orbs(10% damage increase) and  dragon blaze(+100 flame damage)

RMB is only 500+ damage, it costs focus,it can mess up rotation, it is useless.

What's the  point of tornado? Its damage is negligible and does not generate any buff or debuff.

blazing beam is not a bad skill. but its damage is lower than  dragon blaze and stacks ember too slow. Sometime you need fast ember to keep the burn debuff.

Also you ignore windstorm. Windstorm can deal brutal damage(4000+ crit per hit with your gear, about 4 hits per sec) when the target is under some controlls. It also triggers(or affected by) no global cooldown and has no animation. Costs too much focus? true profane and 'C' can solve the problem.

Dragon blaze, damage higher than blaze beam, increases 100 flame damage(about 5%+), decreases meteor CD by 3 sec, stacks 5 ember. Best skill of FM.

 

This is my build, I complete abandon frost damage skills: https://bnstree.com/FM/Vkpp_8Wol

Initiate with short fuse, hold LMB and use meteor. If you are lucky, fire fury will be available, then enter fire fury + dragonblaze rotation. Throw infernal when you have the dragonblaze buff and 3 flame orbits(note that dragonblaze consumes orbits). Use meteor whenever available. Use impact, short fuse and infernal to keep the burn debuff on target.  If fire fury + dragonblaze is not available, use blaze beam to fill the gap. Use windstorm whenever it is available and enjoy the big numbers.

As a WoW player I can guarantee the high dps of this build. 

Edit: a RMB may be added added after dragon blaze for optimal DPS

Your build is actually rather interesting, especially considering how many people neglect how strong Meteor Shower actually is because of the way the damage is calculated. It's not as though your build completely removes the usage of Blaze Beam, and it does bring forward aspects of Force Master that are typically neglected (i.e. Flame Orbits and Meteor Shower damage, as well as windstorm). I neglected the update bringing the 3 sec cd reduction on Meteor upon Dragonblaze usage, and now that you do mention it, perhaps the optimal long-term DPS rotation differs from what has been accepted for a while now when you factor in Meteor Shower's cooldown being reduced with every usage of Dragonblaze. I agree 100% that windstorm is the MVP skill that you -should- take if you run with a destroyer/blade dancer/blade master/summoner(and chances are there'll be at least ONE of these in your party), with its stacking crit increase. I cannot guarantee that it's exactly 2 uses every second since I never bothered to sit down, record, and time the skill usages, but it's somewhere around there, and factoring in the crit increase it definitely out-DPSes standard LMB+RB+Blaze Beam (those that complain about running out of focus when using Windstorm likely either lack in weapon development or luck with focus regeneration lol). 

I'm very curious about this topic and I will do DPS tests to confirm how things play out in practice because I don't know the exact cast animation times off the top of my head, but the more frequent Meteor Showers is promising by itself.