BnS P2W now?

[voodooblade]

So you can swipe to get gold instantly, this means you can swipe to get gear up for pve quickly, but more importantly swipe to buy your HM skill impacting pvp. Furthermore the economy now will inflate, meaning instead of spending ten days to farm the gold to get your gear up, the value of Moonwater stones will inflate, as more gold will be circulating. So do you consider the ability to swipe your credit card, to get gold to get faster upgrading and HM skills easier as paying for an edge? Or do you find paying real money to fund your HM/gear as p2w? 

I personally find it p2w, and was applauding NCSoft for keeping the coins use for cosmetic. 

[Cogbyrn]

If you aren't winning without your HM skill right now, you aren't going to win with it.  For FM, it is the difference between your Inferno auto-critting on a stunned/dazed opponent, and your Inferno maybe critting on a stunned/dazed opponent.

 

Then again, I don't think it's P2W for PvE either, because you don't win anything.  You just finish your gear-up journey faster, and all PvE is in most games is the journey.  If anything you're spending money to sell yourself short.  Any competition in PvE is imagined, really, so it's only P2W if you make it your business to be the most geared person on the server.  

[fhoeng]

sigh... for the love of RNGesus, p2w only apply if there is something u can get ONLY ONLY ONLY if you pay real money.

 

like a power up that can't be gotten anywhere else in game aside paying cash.

 

or equipment that can't be obtained without paying cash.

 

As long as it is possible to grind/play for the same power, it is not p2w.

[Ninfu]

1 minute ago, fhoeng said:

sigh... for the love of RNGesus, p2w only apply if there is something u can get ONLY ONLY ONLY if you pay real money.

 

like a power up that can't be gotten anywhere else in game aside paying cash.

 

or equipment that can't be obtained without paying cash.

 

As long as it is possible to grind/play for the same power, it is not p2w.

True and not true. P2W can be also defined just how fast ppl can get their max level gear and get huge advantage over others. Currently i dont ming currency exchange but its element of it but if the prices stay even close to what they're now then gl spending thousands to get your gear fully upgraded :D

[Akula69]

I LOVE when this topic comes up. FREE games are going to spend a LOT of effort trying separate you from your credit card. Its a fact of life people. The fact that we still find it surprising is the real surprising part. I hate games that are F2P(yes I am playing this one, yes only because of the awesome combat system and fun arena), I really do. I would much rather pay a sub....buttt, everyone (by everyone I mean most) hates the "old archaic" sub based system. So this is what we get. You get marketed and tempted ALL THE TIME. Sometimes we just have to be careful of what we wish for. 

[fhoeng]

16 minutes ago, Ninfu said:

16 minutes ago, Ninfu said:

True and not true. P2W can be also defined just how fast ppl can get their max level gear and get huge advantage over others. Currently i dont ming currency exchange but its element of it but if the prices stay even close to what they're now then gl spending thousands to get your gear fully upgraded :D

True and not true. P2W can be also defined just how fast ppl can get their max level gear and get huge advantage over others. Currently i dont ming currency exchange but its element of it but if the prices stay even close to what they're now then gl spending thousands to get your gear fully upgraded :D

no, u r wrong.

 

a possibility of dominance is not 100%

 

p2w need to be 100% cash payer win over non-payer. You can call it psuedo p2w, but it isn't a true p2w.

[Ninfu]

3 minutes ago, fhoeng said:

no, u r wrong.

 

a possibility of dominance is not 100%

 

p2w need to be 100% cash payer win over non-payer. You can call it psuedo p2w, but it isn't a true p2w.

The definition is there but currency exchange is somewhat good thing due its in control of players instead of ncsoft generating high end materials and destroying economy.

 

Yeah this is not definetely the same thing as you described but it still can be caunted as p2w. But well personally i dont mind i can sell gold and buy costumes and stuff

[fhoeng]

9 minutes ago, Ninfu said:

The definition is there but currency exchange is somewhat good thing due its in control of players instead of ncsoft generating high end materials and destroying economy.

 

Yeah this is not definetely the same thing as you described but it still can be caunted as p2w. But well personally i dont mind i can sell gold and buy costumes and stuff

yea, i dont mind neither.

 

I am just really a-nal about definition when I have time to waste on a forum =p

[voodooblade]

Calm down I never said it is p2w I said IMO it is. Meaning I find the notion dangerous I don't find it definitive, time will tell. 

[Waynedetta]

1 hour ago, fhoeng said:

sigh... for the love of RNGesus, p2w only apply if there is something u can get ONLY ONLY ONLY if you pay real money.

 

Thats just not true.

If i can get an big advantage for which you have to farm like 2 months and i get a high rank in the season because i have this advantage i got the rank due to money spend its p2w. Basically its p2w, the question is how much p2w is it. How big is the advantage you can get. Only because it theoretically possible to get something trough farm doesnt removes the p2w aspect.

In this game, imo, the advantage is small. PvE content is easy enough to be farmed up after 2 weeks of upgrading gear. Gold will inflate a bit, but who knows how much it will.

[Masqava]

Getting an extra hongmoon skill won't suddenly make you diamond.

This thread gave me a good laugh.

 

The skills are accesible for everyone, just PvE for them or something? get a royal zen bean in pvp? 

[Zooks]

As long as none of it has any effect on arena, I couldn't care less. Thankfully gear is normalized in arenas, so I don't think it's ever going to become a problem. 

[Slayn]

People already sold Nccoins for Gold before, so nothing changed

[sychopad]

23 hours ago, voodooblade said:

So you can swipe to get gold instantly, this means you can swipe to get gear up for pve quickly, but more importantly swipe to buy your HM skill impacting pvp. Furthermore the economy now will inflate, meaning instead of spending ten days to farm the gold to get your gear up, the value of Moonwater stones will inflate, as more gold will be circulating. So do you consider the ability to swipe your credit card, to get gold to get faster upgrading and HM skills easier as paying for an edge? Or do you find paying real money to fund your HM/gear as p2w? 

I personally find it p2w, and was applauding NCSoft for keeping the coins use for cosmetic. 

some times i wonder if ppl even know what P2W means