Classes' power and rank distribution: the problem and solution

[Zooks]

6 minutes ago, voodooblade said:

Well if they don't rush then GG BnS. Because so far it's following nearly every trend to destroy an MMO, Only thing missing is P2W/Whaling. 

 

What makes you think the majority of the playerbase cares about arena balance enough to quit playing/paying? MMO forums are a minority opinion. The truth is the vast majority of people playing MMORPG's don't really care about a bunch of crying and doomsaying on the official forums. 

[Nightwatch]

I understand your point, but I feel like in the end it will only cause more pain to those who are already struggling to be relevant. I will agree that winning a round as summoner isn't nearly as difficult as winning as a BM as I would be a fool if I said otherwise. What I was trying to say is that by showing favoritism to weaker classes that you invite people to pick on them for their benefits. While your system is flexible who decides what class is strong? Things will shift over time, patches do matter as the strong class today may not be the strong class next patch. So another issue is who will decide who are the strong and weak classes? They have to be able to respond quickly after a patch and have a deep understanding of PvP as to not make a mistake.

[Tiara90]

guys pls relax your tits and stop this bullshit!There are no weak classes on this game every class can counter each other ,with same probability to win ,With right built on skills!If you read your skills, you would know, that ,there is not 1 built for pvp and 1 for pve .Its more complicated than that!if you look closely your skills, you ll notice that they have atributes like wind ,earth, lighting etc its atribute gives different stats on the skill so for example the frost tornado on FM that pierces and nutralizes parrie skills like the spin of Destroyer and LBD wont work on  KFM or BM, you have to switch build, to the one that pierces defence skills!So there you have it ,easy and without complaining. Switch your build ,to match your oponents class so you can counter it!

 

You know that before a match start there is a timer that gives you 30 sec!if you were smart you would know that its purpose is to let you prepare your built to counter the class incoming but guess what who cares about it lets press shift +f we have to start already!with that logic noone won a match!

 

As for summoners now 90% of the summoner i encouter in arena are shit that only spam LFB and RMB sunflower for the win!They dont even care about the cat they dont protect it at all.If the cat dies summoner is dead 99% but whoneeds to kill the cat when you can make it uncosious and *cricket* the summoner in the mean time.Anyway the only reason that there are more summoners in ranking than other classes is not because the class carries them but because pp cant play the other classes at all it seems!this game is not based on heal thats why there in not a healer class like others you have to dodge and believe me every class have more than 5 dodges!lets name them for ppl who dont even know it Tab,Q,E,SS, and (1for block 2assasin hide,4 summoners dandelion ) and some other dodge skills depending on your skill glyph built so there you go!

 

NOW lets see the dodges that a summoner have that makes it so op SS for evade and 2 backstep then he has dandelion on 4 there you go 3 dodges NO Q,E like other classes have no dash no TAB so op class with 3 dodges he also has petal for ranged atcks but most classes are melee so meh just put barrier on FM and wait frozen till the duration is over easy!

 

So how hard is it to make a class spend 3 dodges then *cricket* it and how hard is it to make it spend 5-8 dodges so if i SEE a KFM complain about dying from summoner go reroll pls or learn your skill that you cant even break free from 1 root that has 24 sec cd and any class can just SS backstep it so easily you can even freeze yourself and summoner with tab with 30 sec cd and freeze yourself again with 3 if you get controlled or grabed JESUS even FM dont have so many self freeze!

So tell me again how a KFM CAN LOSE FROM A SUMMONER when almost every dodge skill he has gives him ressist and evade 100% or immunity for 2 sec on succesfull parry or counter PLS COMMUNITY BEFORE YOU WRITE IN THE FORUMS GO AND LEARN YOUR CLASS AND OTHERS CLASSES SKILLS AND BUILTS AND STOP THE QQ.IN KOREA THERE IS NOT EVEN 1 SUMMONER IN TOP RANKING BECAUSE ITS THE EASIEST CLASS TO KILL IF YOU CANT THEN EITHER YOU SUCK OR HE JUST LEARNED HIS CLASS BETTER THAN YOU DEAL WITH IT!

[NiiaZa]

3 hours ago, Tiara90 said:

guys pls relax your tits and stop this bullshit!There are no weak classes on this game every class can counter each other ,with same probability to win

 Plz relix ur tits and stop ur bullshiettt right here and now. im begging you.  Who the hell said that KFM got disadvantages vs SMN?? no one KFM complain about dying for SMN... But there is ton and ton of ppl with assassin complain about dying for SMN, So whys that? why always assassin complain about dying for SMN but not Destroyer, FM or KFM????? Because the fking disadvantages assassin got vs SMN.

 

I know yeahh ofc there is a counter pve build for assassin vs SMN but in that build you have to going well like in 60%-80%of the time match or if u have just make 1 mistake just 1, you gonna see the nightmare about it. Once in that 3 min SMN can take hit, SMN can freely using TaB, SMN can make alot of mistake but when a assassin make 1 mistake and got the flower in their head, got grappled, they will lose alot of their hp and SMN heal back. WTF?? i can agree in matches if u make mistake you are punished and losing hp but what the hell is the healing which will heal them more than 40%-50%. So in the end in that match Sins Vs SMN, u cant make mistake or it will cost you a life, That is calling DISADVANTAGES sins vs SMN

I still not telling a disadvantages BM vs SMN yet but right now i got really tired with you

 

Just look at this and keep calling balance for yourself. They are top 5 players ohh welll there is so many pro SMN LOL:::: not SMN it self is OP

Edited 56 minutes ago by elliv

[Demiosu]

Oh noes! 2 out of 9 top players are summoners! QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ

In all seriousness, I think this screenshot shows there's plenty of other classes in the top rating atm.

 

[Jamein]

Using the top 10 in this debate is pointless, at those ELO levels it comes down to how good the person is. People like Bevv/Radeyz/Enoll/Empathy and intellect are just fantastic players.

If you want to compare anything look at the top 300, but leave the top 10 out of this discussion, they're in a completely different league.

 

Take a look at Radeyz for example, on his stream after the patch he was saying 'I'm not sure how to deal with this Summoner skill (cant remember exactly what he said)' and instead of saying it's OP, he kept changing skill builds and trying new things till he found a way. That's the difference at the top 10 between them, and the people who just alt + tab to the forums and post a new topic asking for nerfs.

 

I'm not saying balance is perfect, some classes could definitely use tweaks and some really need level 50 and HM skills, but the biggest part of the 'imbalance' is mainly due to players lack of knowledge more so than the classes themselves.

[Unexist88]

There is only one problem at this moment.. 

That is we got the 50 skill fixes for the level 50 content.. 
We are not level 50 yet so some classes have advantage over others.. Like summoners 

[Onene]

Just queue summoners and blade dancers into each other and let the rest of the players play the game cancer free.

[Tiara90]

3 hours ago, NiiaZa said:

Because the fking disadvantages assassin got vs SMN.

gg well said very well said so many disadvantages thats why the sin cancers reach the timer staying in stealth and cc only because they cant win a summoner gg the only class that shouldnt complain about losing on summoner is assasin and the *cricket* cancerous time reacher the worst class ever go learn to play the assasin and then cry about summoners!literally assasins is the only class that cat cant pin down because of 4 retaliate + f that even gives him stealth and you can even blind twice!GO see some pro assasin playing in youtube and then qq!

[Onene]

6 minutes ago, Tiara90 said:

gg well said very well said so many disadvantages thats why the sin cancers reach the timer staying in stealth and cc only because they cant win a summoner gg the only class that shouldnt complain about losing on summoner is assasin and the *cricket* cancerous time reacher the worst class ever go learn to play the assasin and then cry about summoners!literally assasins is the only class that cat cant pin down because of 4 retaliate + f that even gives him stealth and you can even blind twice!GO see some pro assasin playing in youtube and then qq!

Cant faceroll  on sins because of stealth, ncsoft buff summoners or i quit!

[Tiara90]

4 minutes ago, Onene said:

ncsoft buff summoners or i quit!

NO CLASS need buffs or ner!f Ncsoft cant buff brains to think, it seems you have issues deal with it first then come to rage me on forums like a  kid !

[Onene]

1 minute ago, Tiara90 said:

NO CLASS need buffs or ner!f Ncsoft cant buff brains to think, it seems you have issues deal with it first then come to rage me on forums like a kindergarten kid !

Try playing as a sin vs summoner and tell me how it goes.

[Tiara90]

 

 

 

HERE for you to learn and kill a summoner next time! i have an assasin already if you still lose after this i cant help you honestly you have to put effort to win not just wait for noob opponents!

 

(BTW this assasin in the video does way too many mistakes and has high ping he doesnt even checked his cds and still raped summoner ...)

[Onene]

6 minutes ago, Tiara90 said:

HERE for you to learn and kill a summoner next time! i have an assasin already if you still lose after this i cant help you honestly you have to put effort to win not just wait for noob opponents!

Lmao a summoner telling me about effort I'm outta here

[Tiara90]

1 minute ago, Onene said:

Lmao a summoner telling me about effort I'm outta here

what part of i have an assasin dont you understand exactly? You are biased and prejudised against a class that whatever anyone says to you even with a full video with commentary on how to easily win a summoner wont change your opinion on it!You just make yourself look worse and out of point i wont try to argue with someone as biased cause its just like talking to a wall.You just want to rage summoners for no reason thats all you dont even want to learn thats why the community on forums is bad because there are ppl like you who qq for no reason just to qq!

[Emezel]

15 minutes ago, Onene said:

Lmao a summoner telling me about effort I'm outta here

Lmao an assasin telling a summoner telling everyone about effort. #GoingToMars

[Onene]

1 minute ago, Emezel said:

Lmao an assasin telling a summoner telling everyone about effort. #GoingToMars

Jokes on you I main bm #StillOnEarth

[Emezel]

Hahaha I'm sorry XD That's what I thought from the conversation above.