Guidelines how to FM and looking for opinions how to play better

[oZackisu]

Hello hello. So, I actually wanted to share my builds with you and improve it if possible. And I also want to see how this community plays FM.

Here we go!

 

First of all, I wanted to say. I usually go for Fire Builds as they can output more Dps than Ice, but recently I've taken a liking to Ice Builds and find them quite useful if you're duo-ing something or if you can't stand it always getting agro from bosses. Besides that, I also want to mention that I'm not a great Ice FM as I just started practicing how to handle them.

 

For those who don't understand what I'm talking about: Force Masters who skill their skill points on Fire skills can achieve higher Dps than those who skill their skill points on Ice.

The difference is that Ice Builds usually have a greater advantage against bosses (and also kinda in PvP) as they can just permanently stand behind them and freeze them all they want.

So, in other words. Fire is great as Dps dealer and Ice is great at tanking and support.

 

 

Fire Build and my main combo:

Fire FMs focus on keeping their debuff "Burn" on the boss 100% of the time, as it increases their Dps significantly. They can achieve that by either shooting Inferno, using Short Fuse or by detonating 5 Ember stacks. Having a rythm when you use those methods is what we call "Burn Rotation". (Btw, having more than 1 Fire FM in a party is a pain ;_;)

Their Burst-Dps is: LmB+C+LmB+V+LmB+2 then just repeat: LmB+2

 

F-Build

First things first, I included "LmB - F1 T4" in there, because once you're able to handle your burn rotation, you should be able to deal more Dps with that on. I mean, handling your and other FMs burn rotation shouldn't be all too hard to do if you pay close enough attention to it. But, it's easier without it.

 

People may ask: "Why did you have your 1 skilled on F2 T3, not on F3 T3?". My answer to it: "Hm... Same global Cd on it, right? Same range on it, right? Less damage, right? But it has AoE and more Utility on it, so i prefer that one. I can still stun frozen people."

 

Ice Tab and Fire Tab, both of those are completely customizable. Tbh, I don't mind if you change my whole build.

If more questions come why I skilled it like that, instead of that, just ask. I don't mind being questioned.

 

 

My main fire combo: LmB+F+LmB+F

*uproar uproar* "What? He doesn't use LmB+2+LmB+2? What a noob!"

Yeah, yeah. I kinda get that alot. But see for yourself! Using my method does generally more Dps, but it also has the benefit of reducing the Cd of Meteor Shower (your burst) AND you don't take quite as long to detonate 5 Ember stacks.

You usually take around 1.5-2.5s to create 5 Ember stacks with the normal method. With this, you can reduce it down to 0.7-1s. So, imo it's an overall benefit. But if you don't like my method, I'm just gonna go in a corner and cry that nobody believes me...

 

 

Ice Build and my main combo:

This is where I need opinions about how I play, just started doing this build.

Anyway, Ice FMs are in my opinion easier to play than Fire FMs as they don't have to keep an eye out to a god cursed debuff called Burn. 

As Ice FM, you have a wide array of options about how you go and handle your stuff. You can for example either play half support half Dps+burst Dps or full support +burst Dps. I'm sure there are many more ways to play.

Their Burst Dps: 2+2+2+2+2+Y+hold 2

 

I-Build

As a Ice FM, you can customize a little bit more than Fire FMs. For example, your Ice F or your RmB.

"Ice F - F1 T3" has more Dps, but with "Ice F - F3 T3" you can "Tank" better.

 

Ways you could play:

-Tank

 You may think that I'm crazy for thinking that FMs can tank instead of kite. But no, they can... Probably.

We all know that you need 6 Ice stacks to freeze a boss, right? Ice FMs can easily just achieve that within 5s. Heck, they may even be able to do 8 in 4s if they try hard enough.

So, how do tank? As long as there are no Adds you can just go up to a boss and do this: Burst Dps+3+E+RmB+F+RmB+F and then just repeat RmB+F+RmB+F.

Ice FMs, even though they're Dps is worse than that of a Fire Fm, their overall Dps is still great.

 

-Dps-Dealer

 There is actually almost no difference to the Tanking method. Just spam Ice X and your Burst more often and hope that the Kfm/Destro can tank.

 

My main Ice combo: Burst Dps; RmB+F+RmB+F; when Cd of X is finished, then use X; Ocasionally press 1.

 

 

So, I hope this helped alot of people that are in trouble configuring their builds or if they can't decide between Ice and Fire. In my opinion, every build has its own time when it has to be used.

[Tikku]

You can do lot of dmg with ice builds also.Try cold snap+ice rain combo. But careful of the agro :)  Also impact specced on the last line for extra freeze damage is great for spamming in pve

[oZackisu]

Yeah, you can do like 6k crit continiously very fast with that combo.

I will try to squeeze extra 1 in my Ice combo if I can.

 

Thank you F3

[Oumpaloumpa]

I have been playing the ice build since I got into this game and I have aggro all day, even with fire FMs in the party. My guess is that ice is just that simpler to play^^ 

Got an awakened siren wep and I beat tower F7 with no problems and can solo Brightstone Ruins =D 

I don't even play with Ice rain.

on any boss I open with LMB, RMB + Force Blast (1) spam till boss is frozen > Frost Fury (F) > Frost Dragon (F) (for damage buff) > 3x Cold Snap for 10% dmg (with a decent crit% and a 170 heal/crit gem this heals like 3k) > Snowball (Ice X) > Glacial Beam > Short Fuse (specced for Deep Wounds, used on bosses that regen a lot of hp) > Inferno with the new T5 during Glacial Beam stun for extra dmg + guaranteed crit.

That Rotation may or may not be the best, but it has gotten me thus far and yields 14k Inferno crits, 9k Snowball crits and 5,8-7k Force Blast crits.

 

The weakness being AoE in the above build, but usually I just 3x Cold Snap to freeze as many as possible, then spam Dragonchar (2) and mobs are dead in seconds anyway in group play^^

 

I prefer ice over fire for its simplicity and what seems to me a very minimal difference unless fire is played really optimally which just increases the chances that some mechanic will slam you in the face from watching Burn :P

 

also most non boss mobs that block you can simply freeze and EE or QQ behind it and you got yourself a frozen punching bag unable to block^^

 

My 2 Icy cents!

[InoriYuzurihaDesu]

1st: auto-detonate on LMB basically means u will never have a 100% uptime for burn, unless u have more than 2fms with voip and strict burn rotations. And of course missing burn debuff = big dps loss for 2, and LMB, usually tier 3 form 2.

2nd: F at current version is not much of a dps increase, infact i think slightly lower. Im not saying ur a noob because reducing meteor shower's cooldown is a good thing.

3rd: Things that i commonly see nowdays at force master on the forum is that they easily mix up auto-detonate with burn. These basically are 2 different build concept same as ice 1/2 build.

Lastly, seems to me that ur fire build is much more abt ember detonate rather keeping burn 100% up. Id say this is a nice ember detonating build.

[Oumpaloumpa]

1 hour ago, InoriYuzurihaDesu said:

 

3rd: Things that i commonly see nowdays at force master on the forum is that they easily mix up auto-detonate with burn. These basically are 2 different build concept same as ice 1/2 build.

Idd this. Also believe that the auto detonate kinda destroys the play for a non-auto detonator fire FM in group play, something that should really be fixed :( - although multiple ice FM's only makes it even less effort to keep stuff frozen.

 

[oZackisu]

5 hours ago, Oumpaloumpa said:

on any boss I open with LMB, RMB + Force Blast (1) spam till boss is frozen > Frost Fury (F) > Frost Dragon (F) (for damage buff) > 3x Cold Snap for 10% dmg (with a decent crit% and a 170 heal/crit gem this heals like 3k) > Snowball (Ice X) > Glacial Beam > Short Fuse (specced for Deep Wounds, used on bosses that regen a lot of hp) > Inferno with the new T5 during Glacial Beam stun for extra dmg + guaranteed crit.

The weakness being AoE in the above build, but usually I just 3x Cold Snap to freeze as many as possible, then spam Dragonchar (2) and mobs are dead in seconds anyway in group play^^

 

Thank you, I will try to keep that in mind.

Do you mind posting your build? I want to adjust my Ice build a little.

[Strindberg]

7 hours ago, oZackisu said:

Hello hello. So, I actually wanted to share my builds with you and improve it if possible. And I also want to see how this community plays FM.

Here we go!

 

So, I hope this helped alot of people that are in trouble configuring their builds or if they can't decide between Ice and Fire. In my opinion, every build has its own time when it has to be used.

As for how the community plays it's basically burn build or ice rain build. 

 

Ice build isn't really worth it imo. It's fun to watch (because ice rain tickles my funny bones) but I find you'd be sacrificing too much damage from burn builds. Once we get elemental enhancing accessories the damage gap between fire and ice builds just gets even bigger. 

 

Freeze on bosses is pretty OP when leveling up but at endgame messes up a lot of fights. 

 

As for everyone pulling aggro, it's not you, tanks are just bad. Yell at them.

[oZackisu]

26 minutes ago, Strindberg said:

As for everyone pulling aggro, it's not you, tanks are just bad. Yell at them.

 

Well, luckily I've got a friend who can tank and deal high amount of damage. We've been duo-ing end-game dungeons with no real issues. Haven't tried BsH yet, because we think that we would die on the Twins/Widows, as said by you. FMs shouldn't really tank.