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Prioritize Updating Premium To Match Other Regions Please ^_^

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Other regions get "points" for logging in daily when they are a premium member. These points can be used to buy items from cash shop and offset the costs of dragon pouches and outfits. I was talking to a player from TW that didn't even spend half of what I spent and had all outfits on all of their characters + fully unlocked vaults + fully unlocked inventories due to these points. If I recall correctly, points don't count towards your premium rank, so they are different from hongmoon coins. They also had all skill tabs unlocked. He was able to do all of this with sub and a few hundred dollars worth of tdn. I agree with this model wholeheartedly as it allows people to either go with the F2P microtransaction model or the sub model. They can even go both if they want to enhance their subscription with a little extra ^_^.

 

I've spent $1460 so far and only have a few outfits since I have had to put almost everything I spent into Dragon Pouches for 7 characters.

 

 

 

I think that all of these complaints are going to go away (or atleast most of them) if we get the same premium benefits as other regions : ), so maybe prioritizing that over things like Warlock would be good. The TW guy said that he'd be raging if he didn't have any way to buy Dragon Pouches but through the regular cash shop too, because they are crazy expensive : P.

 

 

Everything else seems cool ^_^. Yea, some hackers and stuff, but we'll hopefully see that die down over the next few months : ). Not a fan of weapon skins, but they apparently sell a little in other regions, so I guess they just aren't my thing ; p.

 

 

If Premium Benefits can be updated within the next month to match the other regions, that'll be very cool : ).

 

 

Keep up the good work guys! : D

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Senzura   

Maybe they dont want to make it easier to get "free" costumes because at the end of the day they need to make money to stay open? this is a business. So far i've seen people do nothing but complain at every single thing NC does to make money which is stupid considering the only reason it's even releasing games is to make money why did you think they decided to make games one day just so people will have fun and be happy? le no they're a business like any other.

 

And if you really spent $1460 after the game was pretty much just released then I have bad news for you~

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Er... I'm asking about a thing that we're going to eventually get and that every other region has and I'm asking if it can be prioritized in the rollout...

 

It sounds like you are against us ever getting the same benefits that other regions get ; P.

 

I mean, I'm open to most of the current pricing. However, Dragon Pouches are indeed *INSANELY* priced, and players in other regions would be complaining just as hard about them if they didn't have their benefits. I know. I spoke to some players in those other regions yesterday. They also actually had the same opinion on weapon skins that I have, but said that people do buy them =). I'm not asking for special treatment here. I'm asking to get the same treatment as every other region a bit earlier than we otherwise would : ). It's nothing radical.

 

I've already bought all of my dragon pouches for all of my characters, so I'd probably just use those points to.. I don't know.. buy new outfits and maybe save them up to fully unlock Warlock on release date : D. I'm subbed for 2 years after all... lol. Maybe even a partial unlock.

 

NCSoft still makes money. It just lets players choose between micro-transaction and sub.

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9 minutes ago, Senzura said:

Maybe they dont want to make it easier to get "free" costumes because at the end of the day they need to make money to stay open? this is a business. So far i've seen people do nothing but complain at every single thing NC does to make money which is stupid considering the only reason it's even releasing games is to make money why did you think they decided to make games one day just so people will have fun and be happy? le no they're a business like any other.

 

And if you really spent $1460 after the game was pretty much just released then I have bad news for you~

 

The entire point of his post was to explain how it'll help people buy more and make more money and keep subscribers using the premium that many people feel isn't even worth buying as it is now.

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Houlon   
23 minutes ago, nestharus said:

I've spent $1460 so far and only have a few outfits since I have had to put almost everything I spent into Dragon Pouches for 7 characters.

 

This is why we have the current version of premium.

 

After looking at their bank balance they will say it's working as intended.

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This is why we have the current version of premium.

 

After looking at their bank balance they will say it's working as intended.

 

 

That's untrue. Please stop spreading misinformation : ). We have the current version of premium because later versions are in a later patch.

 

Also, either way, my aim was to put in $1500 worth of ncoin for rank 10 ^_-. Dragon pouches were just there as something to spend on that wasn't a total waste = D.

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Vengerin   

I think the idea they don't give free Ncoins is because you can use them in every other NcSoft games, like Wildstar. 

But a monthly allowance on hongmoon coins shouldn't suppose a problem.

I also think wardrobe should be free for all or at least it let you keep your store outfits, that will impulse the sales of them because I get people will end up don't buying for the lack of space to keep the fluff.

And they should add an option to buy directly the sub via real money or make a Ncoin bundle with just the amount of the different sub plans.

But... those are my two cents, I doubt NcSoft makes any change, they aren't known for that =_=

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Alukah   
1 minute ago, nestharus said:

 

 

That's untrue. Please stop spreading misinformation : ). We have the current version of premium because later versions are in a later patch.

 

That has nothing to do with patch, you know? They could have added it at the start if they wanted to.

 

Our premium is less generous than other versions because other versions are plain pay to win. NCWEST is trying to keep pay to win off the cash shop (no legendary upgrades in cash stuff) but this comes at the cost of either more expensive cash items and less generous premium.

 

So yeah, they do have to make money and they have to redirect the profit loss from p2w cash stuff to more expensive cosmetics/QoL stuff.

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I for one will not be spending another penny until they adjust what premium players get. So far I have subbed for the first month plus Ive spent a ton in the cash shop in order to unlock bag space and bank space. I have spent way more than I would normally pay for a premium game and I still havnt unlocked everything. I think the way the cash shop workd currently is pretty much a dsgraceful cash grab and some of the tactics are downright un ethical. Such as buying outfits to break down for clot to onluy get a chance of a new outfit that you paid a lot of money for. The practice of charging a lot of money for what might turn out to be nothing is just disgusting. 

 

But really premium players should have a greater discount. I would say 50% is a fair amount for things like bags char slots and talent slots. when these are things you get for free in all other sub games. If pricing where fairer more people would spend money rather than walk away in disgust and not spend any.

 

Even better games should just drop the f2p con and go back to subs where you knew what you where paying for.

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23 minutes ago, nestharus said:

I've spent $1460 so far

 

The publishing sites for each region usually operate completely independent from each other, even when selling the same game. This is due to the different target group, based on country, mentality, and so on.

 

From your experience, I would say that the TW site is working towards a model similar to crowd funding; a broad player base that pay only small sums but have the paying masses. Looking at your spendings so far you surely are a customer which is called "big whale" in the MMO section. This is the other model to finance a F2P game; this cash shop model usually consists of high prices, a lot of RNG paywalls and other premium products. Usually the low payment entry (subscription) is not in focus. So the premium perks are not gonna change much, based on the current monetarization politics in NA/EU.

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So yeah, they do have to make money and they have to redirect the profit loss from p2w cash stuff to more expensive cosmetics/QoL stuff.

 

Actually, the prices aren't more expensive. They are the same : ).

 

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I think the idea they don't give free Ncoins is because you can use them in every other NcSoft games, like Wildstar. 

 

In my post, I mention that other regions get "points," not ncoin. Points aren't even the same thing as hongmoon currency because they don't count towards your premium rank ^_^.

 

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Looking at your spendings so far you surely are a customer which is called "big whale" in the MMO section.

 

I actually spent that money primarily for rank 10 because I plan to be on this game for awhile and want to have it fully unlocked. I only invest this heavily into a game when I'm going to be around for several years ^_^. It's pretty much everything I'm going to spend for the next 2 years ;D.

 

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The publishing sites for each region usually operate completely independent from each other, even when selling the same game. This is due to the different target group, based on country, mentality, and so on.

 

That's sad : (

 

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If pricing where fairer more people would spend money rather than walk away in disgust and not spend any.

 

Based on most other MMORPGs, pricing is pretty fair. The only thing that isn't is Dragon Pouches, which it sounds like you yourself have also encountered : P. Other regions offset the unfair cost of dragon pouches with premium daily login stipends : ).

 

Take a look at what the TW region gets for premium.

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Houlon   
11 minutes ago, nestharus said:

That's untrue. Please stop spreading misinformation

 

Premium isn't based on current patches, it's based on what NCWest want it to be. Take the wardrobe for instance, they use that as a premium "perk" which is available on other versions without it.

 

Because we don't have the obvious P2W that others have they make their money other ways.

 

How that is misinformation is beyond me.

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Meerkat   
1 hour ago, nestharus said:

That's untrue. Please stop spreading misinformation : ). We have the current version of premium because later versions are in a later patch.

 

Also, either way, my aim was to put in $1500 worth of ncoin for rank 10 ^_-. Dragon pouches were just there as something to spend on that wasn't a total waste = D.

 

Oh god.  You don't exist.  You can't.

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Just now, nestharus said:

 

I actually spent that money primarily for rank 10 because I plan to be on this game for awhile and want to have it fully unlocked. I only invest this heavily into a game when I'm going to be around for several years ^_^. It's pretty much everything I'm going to spend for the next 2 years ;D.

Haha, now you're fooling the poor monetarization specialist :-)

You are one weird big whale. Being able to spend $1500 in one batch still makes you a big whale. Usually people spend money on new things like costumes, mounts, events (e.g. Valentines' outfit), server transfers, appearance changers and so on.

 

Nevertheless, looking at other MMOs published in different sites all over the world, subscription perks are always adjusted to the local countries, mentalities, etc. Updating subscription perks also has to go through an internal process where they look at attractivity of the low payment entry (subscription) in comparison to a F2P-player. This process usually is set in after a couple of months. So we can't expect a fast change in premium next 1-2 months. Like in all other MMOs, NCsoft will look at their overall player numbers in comparison to subscription numbers.

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Vysaek   

You have also take into account that NCWest its not the same as NCEast :/

 

We could be debating all day about what a company should do or not, but look at the past: NCSoft lost GW2... I played Gw1 and Gw2 and i was there when the game started to fall due to business decisions. They lost also Wildstar... Not entirely, i am not sure... But the game had to be nearly redone to launch it again and make it a sucess. I REALLY hope they learn from the mistakes and other F2P games. Hell, even i would welcome the game if it was a P2P game with F2P features for those who dont want to pay, that works for other titles just fine.

 

Problem is, NCWest has a reputation and i fear they will make the same mistakes over again with this game. Even if there is people who move to the china/korean/tw servers and they start to losing money.

 

There is also another posibility: They could be awaiting to see how the game advances here before making changes in theyr F2p model, who knows.

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2 minutes ago, Vysaek said:

You have also take into account that NCWest its not the same as NCEast :/

 

We could be debating all day about what a company should do or not, but look at the past: NCSoft lost GW2... I played Gw1 and Gw2 and i was there when the game started to fall due to business decisións. They lost also Wildstar... Not entirely, i am not sure... But the game had to be nearly redone to launch it again and make it a sucess. I REALLY hope they learn from the mistakes and other F2P games. Hell, even i would welcome the game if it was a P2P game with F2P features for those who dont want to pay, that works for other titles just fine.

 

Problem is, NCWest has a reputation and i fear they will make the same mistakes over again with this game. Even if there is people who move to the china/korean/tw servers and they start to losing money.

 

There is also another posibility: They could be awaiting to see how the game advances here before making changes in theyr F2p model, who knows.

 

 

So it sounds like we might never get the stipends that TW region gets? : (

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Vysaek   
1 minute ago, nestharus said:

 

 

So it sounds like we might never get the stipends that TW region gets? : (

 

I am not sure about that. We might get some things, we may not. At this point we can only speculate and pray for the best.

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Haishao   
13 minutes ago, Vysaek said:

 

 

 NCSoft lost GW2... I played Gw1 and Gw2 and i was there when the game started to fall due to business decisións. They lost also Wildstar... Not entirely, i am not sure... But the game had to be nearly redone to launch it again and make it a sucess.

They never lost GW1 or GW2. GW2 is in their top 3 most profitable game.

Also wildstar was never a success at all. It doesn't even make a third the income of their other games.

 

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8 minutes ago, Vysaek said:

 

I am not sure about that. We might get some things, we may not. At this point we can only speculate and pray for the best.

 

So we could potentially try to aim for a more western model, like B2P + Sub for all core game features/no limitations, making cash shop *cosmetic* only? That'd be a dream come true.

 

I wouldn't mind paying for all expansions too : O.

 

Wildstar would have succeeded on such a model if it hadn't had the grind of the dungeons. I think Blade & Soul could totally succeed on that model.. maybe ;D. Actually, it's safest probably just going sub/f2p, where subs get all core features unlocked. That's what daybreak (previously SOE) does, and that's my favorite model. They call it "play your way." ^_^

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Vysaek   
4 minutes ago, nestharus said:

 

So we could potentially try to aim for a more western model, like B2P + Sub for all core game features/no limitations, making cash shop *cosmetic* only? That'd be a dream come true.

 

DDO (Dungueon & Dragons Online) has something similar.

 

If you are suscriber you get the whole game, you get points monthly and theyr shop isnt P2Win. If you are a free player, you have the core game only. To play advanced adventures you have to buy them separately or being invited by a friend (cash shop ticket). Its... Not the perfect f2p, mind you, but its not a bad business. The game its still kicking alive and getting content each year.

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9 minutes ago, Vysaek said:

 

DDO (Dungueon & Dragons Online) has something similar.

 

If you are suscriber you get the whole game, you get points monthly and theyr shopt isnt P2Win. If you are a free player, you have the core game only. To play advanced adventures you have to buy them separately or being invited by a friend (cash shop ticket). Its... Not the perfect f2p, mind you, but its not a bad business. The game its still kicking alive and getting content each year.

 

Indeed. I used to play DDO too. They haven't gotten new content since Underdark, which is from a long while ago. I think it's in maintenance mode now. I was very happy with subscription model there too.

 

At the very least, I'd like a subscription model like TW so that we atleast have the option of unlocking the complete game with subscription alone over time : (. Either that or slash Dragon Pouch prices by 50% so that the cost is atleast comparable to other MMORPGs. Right now it's literally double the price of even the most expensive inventories in MMORPGs. I'm ok with any of these options. Players in other regions would also agree with me here ; ). NA/EU are clearly getting shafted when it comes to 'dem dragon pouches, lol.

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Alukah   
19 minutes ago, Vysaek said:

You have also take into account that NCWest its not the same as NCEast :/

 

We could be debating all day about what a company should do or not, but look at the past: NCSoft lost GW2... I played Gw1 and Gw2 and i was there when the game started to fall due to business decisions. They lost also Wildstar... Not entirely, i am not sure... But the game had to be nearly redone to launch it again and make it a sucess. I REALLY hope they learn from the mistakes and other F2P games. Hell, even i would welcome the game if it was a P2P game with F2P features for those who dont want to pay, that works for other titles just fine.

 

Problem is, NCWest has a reputation and i fear they will make the same mistakes over again with this game. Even if there is people who move to the china/korean/tw servers and they start to losing money.

 

There is also another posibility: They could be awaiting to see how the game advances here before making changes in theyr F2p model, who knows.

 

They didn't "lose" gw2, they still own it, they just gave Anet more publishing freedom, but they have always owned it.

 

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Vysaek   
6 minutes ago, Alukah said:

 

They didn't "lose" gw2, they still own it, they just gave Anet more publishing freedom, but they have always owned it.

 

 

What i meant is: The game is done. Yes, its alive and has players in it and the own it, but its business model its like a milking cow at this point. If i wanted to try the expansion I must pay for the game AGAIN with it, for example. And i didnt even mention the RNG boxes.

 

They lost a lot of money there.

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Haishao   
2 minutes ago, Vysaek said:

 

What i meant is: The game is done. Yes, its alive and has players in it and the own it, but its business model its like a milking cow at this point. If i wanted to try the expansion I must pay for the game AGAIN with it, for example. And i didnt even mention the RNG boxes.

 

They lost a lot of money there.

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Yea, based on those charts, I'd call WildStar a major flop and Lineage 1 a grand success. Blade & Soul, Lineage 2, Aion, and Guild Wars 2 are doing well enough : ).

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