GnatB Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 1 hour ago, tcodex1 said: While I understand the concept behind the whole faction clothing and what not but seriously people just because someone is wearing a Faction Clothing does not mean that they are waving a sign or advertising to "KILL ME PLEASE" or "GO AHEAD PK ME". You're right. It means they are waving a sign or advertising to "Go ahead *TRY* and kill me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorcerer21b Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I had a level 40 spawn camping me when I was level 26. After repeatedly calling him out on it, you know what I did. I just alt tabbed and went and read some news for 15 minutes or so. He was trying to get me to take off my faction clothes of, I refused. Guess who won the? Me. He stopped and I was still in my faction clothes. They do it to make you mad. They do it on purpose. They think its cool. Just remove that and they stop. It takes a real strong person to prey upon the weak or to spawn camp. As one person said, "It shows what a lawless society is like." No it doesn't. For a place to be completely lawless, everyone has to be dead, both sides. Because then there is no one to maintain at least a small measure or order. You could call it anarchist, but that's just insulting to anarchists and anarchy itself. Since an anarchist has rules and morals that he governs himself on. This puts preying upon those weaker than you and spawning camping in the same category as a school yard bully. Someone that won't dare challenge someone that has a chance of beating them in a fight. So all that's left is for them to gratify themselves on those weaker than them. What you see in game, is basically the same thing you see on the terrorist videos coming out of the middle east. "I shall kill you. Because you do not believe as I believe. Plus you're weaker than I am, especially when your spawning in and can't do anything." Now as it has been stated there are a few things you can do about this. 1) Change clothes, irritating I know. 2) Ress without your clothes on and change channels. 3) This one is my favorite. Keep talking to them and keep them wanting to spawn camp you, giving you time to hit faction chat up and call on people to come teach him a lesson in why its bad to spawn camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrowningEarth Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 In all fairness, it is lame when people do that. I wouldn't deprive them of the right to do it, however a potential fix to this would be that someone doing that will have points deducted from their achievement progress if the game detects for example, repeat killing/ressing of an AFK or a higher level oneshotting newbies in faction areas like the Scorching Sands for example. So yes, they can still do it, but if they want the achievements for faction kills, they better think twice (on second thought, they probably should implement that system, as there's currently nothing stopping people from making a free alt account and doing exactly that to exploit the achievements). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mishi Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Sorry but players are warned multiple times about the pvp outfits flagging you for pvp. If you don't want to flag for pvp dont equip the outfit. If you have a bad loading time between maps, dont switch while wearing a pvp outfit. If you're killed, to avoid being spawn camped PRESS 3 not 4. If you don't like the mechanic don't wear the outfit. It is PLAIN and simple. By equipping a PvP outfit you: Agree to flag for pvp Agree you know as the system warns you multiple times throughout the game Just because someone of xx level, or gear, or multiple people kill you, you do not need to come on the forums begging for a change in the open world pvp mechanics. Spawn camping? Not even an issue in BnS unless the player isn't smart enough to surrender and rezz without a faction outfit on. So what if a player likes to PK others regardless of their level. Just respawn without the pvp outfit on and go on about your day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckin Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Reading is hard, I think the system voice should tell you with all words before you put the outfit on, and every time you die before you ressurrect. Not everyone can read so I believe it would help those of us who can't. Let's not exclude our illiterate playerbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
switchSL Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 3 hours ago, Rief said: It's how MMORPG is. I remember an article on ultima online, a long long time ago. They started allowing PVP and suddenly Murder and Robbery become much more common in the game. It's a reflection on how a world without law is, majority of human is not noble kind hearted people. People will do cruel things if there are no repercussion. Sometime even not in the name of greed or hate or any type of reason. Simply, because it's fun. The only problem with your statement is that you didn't say ONLINE people behave this way. In real life, if there was no law, most of these "offensive PKers" would hide in their closets until death from starvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rief Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 42 minutes ago, switchSL said: The only problem with your statement is that you didn't say ONLINE people behave this way. In real life, if there was no law, most of these "offensive PKers" would hide in their closets until death from starvation. Good point ! lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorcerer21b Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 2 hours ago, DrowningEarth said: In all fairness, it is lame when people do that. I wouldn't deprive them of the right to do it, however a potential fix to this would be that someone doing that will have points deducted from their achievement progress if the game detects for example, repeat killing/ressing of an AFK or a higher level oneshotting newbies in faction areas like the Scorching Sands for example. So yes, they can still do it, but if they want the achievements for faction kills, they better think twice (on second thought, they probably should implement that system, as there's currently nothing stopping people from making a free alt account and doing exactly that to exploit the achievements). Good point. Hell I'll admit I have an alt account, but I didn't even think of this. So yes this can be easily abused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeon Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Wow. People complaining about getting killed while wearing a pvp costume. Mhm. I can only agree that hunting lowbies when you are 45 yourself is just lame as f*ck. There was only one time when I killed a lowbie near the Foshi Pyres, the reason was that he was disrespectful towards other players. I don't like that, so I gave him a lesson. Normally I don't interfere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asuka Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 5 hours ago, tcodex1 said: just because someone is wearing a Faction Clothing does not mean that they are waving a sign or advertising to "KILL ME PLEASE" or "GO AHEAD PK ME". Yes it does. It might not for them. Or for me (I don't attack others, too much of a time sink at the moment for me). I have been ganked numerous times as well. But BY DESIGN they do wave that sign. Objectively, they do. How they FEEL about it or how THEY SEE it is something else. The game sees it otherwise and people are free to see it as that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enhance Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 While I disagree with the OP, I find it kinda stupid that you become vulnerable before you finish loading when respawning, even on high-end PC that loads in a flash (much worse on low/mid range ones). I would often have to spam Decoy on loading screen and (surprisingly, and gladly) find myself in stealth as I load. Even though the loading doesn't even take 10 seconds, first thing I'd often see when loading is done is my character in death state (not even near-death). Obviously, I could never use 4-respawn on a lower-end pc at all. I feel like there should be some system that prevents you from getting damaged/attacked/maybe targeted within a certain grace period after respawning and before doing any action (obviously, moving or using a skill should make you instantly vulnerable). Or perhaps make character "appear" later - hopefully when you're out of loading screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainy Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 If you wear the opposite faction outfit I will fight you (and so will a lot of people). Simple as that. Also, I'm sorry I have to say this, but spawn camping is not possible, unless you're retarded. P.S. AFK killing is not nice, but the person going AFK in a PvP outfit is the only one to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yancha Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 On 2/12/2016 at 9:44 PM, Robey said: My only big problem is how rude people are, they have no chivalry can can't be a good sport. They res you only to kill you again. Which ruins my game play because when I res people I intend to do it to be nice for killing them. But people don't trust you and respawn somewhere else. Spawn camping is annoying but yeah you can take off your costume and switch channels. And then theres this guy who in another game open world PvPd the people who do this for literally 8 hours until they gave up on the idea that i could be trolled into quitting and stopped attacking me entirely because they figured out it was a waste of time I kinda regret it cause there arent any good fights in that game now but moral of the story is Dont feed the trolls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryiox Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Some games just aren't for some people, like ones that require any sort of knowledge or intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akamu Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 9 hours ago, chinmi said: just... don't... use... the... pvp... clothes... no... faction... clothes... equals... no... pvp... omg... people... read... the... damn... tutorial... omg... omg... omg... There is no tutorial for this. The only tutorial is using 1 to meditate and revive. They don't actually explain it - You have to notice it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VRock Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 read my signature..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akamu Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 They really need to take two seconds to put a little notice pointing to the alternate options the first time you die from PVP. The games I've played had GUI pop-up when you died; replacing skills at the bottom wasn't very intuitive for me, although I did find it (Granted I had already raged on forums. xD). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenshinmaru Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I know the struggle is real, that initial red outfit is glorious on my female jin assassin, it fits her so well that i wore it knowing full well that i could be attacked.. because the outfit tells you that you will appear hostile to the opposing faction, they are at war.. so if you are wearing a uniform you are assuming the role of a soldier on a battlefield essentially. There are other clothes, it isn't as though the game is forcing you to run around naked. I quite like my hongmoon uniform, and I have now replaced my pretty red pvp uniform with another pretty red and black outfit you can aquire early on in the game~ On that token i was actually almost ganged up on when i first put on said pretty red beginners uniform by a hand full of blues.. then suddenly there were about 20 red uniforms i didn't know standing around me and i didn't die~ fallowed by a great deal of red for life banter and general goodness. Nothing brings people together like murdering the other team horribly.. my assassin and blade dancer would kill one another if they could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daymon Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 7 hours ago, SmilingMonster said: As for the ppl who are blamming me for using clothes, go *cricket* yourselves. As this continued to be bad experience gaming, this game will be terminated if they do not put a hold to the ppl who go around bothering others. Like to be nude, you know porn is an option, dont just play for tities. Thats the community about, teenagers with mamy issues that feel glorified about killing some lvl1 on a game. Disgusting. Right....I point out the mistakes you may have made, and you retorted, why am I not suprised ? Who told you to be nude when playing the game ? We have neutral outfits that won't flag you as "kill me" - no one can kill you, but you choose to wear faction outfit while doing pve quest, so we can see who is at fault here. The Open world PvP system is as good as it is in term of design, as this game map isn't consistent. You want to have the pvp option turned on/off, with towns and villages being non-pvp ? Well tough luck, son, that's when griefers will camp you in entrance to different areas, especially if you're low lvl doing quests, since it's the only means of travelling you have for the moment. killing lvl1 is not possible in this game, you haven't even got out of the noob island, how are we suppose to kill you ? Generalizing much ? Also, MANY cap lvl don't run around and kill lowbies, because we get nothing beneficial from killing you guys. Teenagers are in every game, this is 21st century, you think that 18+ mark actually stop them ? think again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laosduude Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Do people still not know you can just press 3 or simply not wear it at all? It's like right there in the game, but I guess common sense isn't enough and we gotta go on the forums to make it seem like a huge issue and a flaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadbury Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Sarcastic replies are exactly what derail threads. I skimmed the thread truth be told, OP has a point, and he could simply get a peaceful reply telling him there are few outfits that will mark you as a PvP player including the one he wore, "take it off" explains nothing, there are other outfits that won't mark him as a PvP player thus no player can attack him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trox Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 8 hours ago, tcodex1 said: It doesn't hurt to ask... -_- He was asked; as soon as he put the faction outfit on a pop-up appears saying "Putting this on will allow others to punch you in the face. Are you cool with that?", and he said "Yes". Maybe not in those exact words but close enough. =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N3ph1lim Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Op chains of thought: *Put on PVP outfit, ignoring the warning box. *Get killed by other player *Ignored the resurrection tooltip and made a whiny thread in official forum SMH... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demiosu Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 7 hours ago, Sorcerer21b said: I had a level 40 spawn camping me when I was level 26. After repeatedly calling him out on it, you know what I did. I just alt tabbed and went and read some news for 15 minutes or so. He was trying to get me to take off my faction clothes of, I refused. Guess who won the? Me. He stopped and I was still in my faction clothes. They do it to make you mad. They do it on purpose. They think its cool. Just remove that and they stop. I'm not sure if you won lol, you alt tabbing for 15 mins means he had free pvp kills for his additional piercing stat achievement. You basically gave him what he wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seska Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Reminder: Do not go AFK with your PvP Cloth on. You can be someones punchbag for his PvP Coins. Because the enemy faction can "revive" you and kill you again, and repeat it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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