Don't Hate the Beginners TEACH them.

[SkyTanFlying]

There is a lot of post on people who are not geared or seems leeching the dungeon runs and being hated which is normal, I guess :3.

Here is my thought and I am not saying it is absolute:
1. Early stage of launching the game, there are people who do the dungeons for the first time. Everyone will go through being a first time.
2. Rather than bashing them or asking them to leave because they are being carried, how about TEACH them, communicate.
3. Had lots of first run. Pigsty, Skittering and Poh was the hardest because I am with random people, but I told them it's my first time and they carefully and gently instructed me what to do:
a. They wait for me especially in Poh which is very confusing at first.
b. They brief me of the positioning and Boss' attack pattern.
c. They helped me finish everything especially in Poh.

I also do this if I observed there are first timers who are not geared properly or just a bull-rush.
It's more enjoyable paying it forward to others what you've learned.

TL;DR: if there are noobs on a dungeon run, communicate to them and teach them what to do.

[Enamour]

One reason I love playing Destroyer is because even if people die (especially on Poharan) I can just pick them up (granted if I'm not tanking) and move them to where I know they won't get hit (corner vents usually). When people make a mistake, I tell them the correct move. I kinda like teaching so when I do my daily Poh6 I try to make sure I have enough time for a potentially long run and a wipe or 3 on Poharan. I explain on the first boss for FMs to use their C, stay behind when people decide they wanna run (sometimes you have to play search and rescue lol) as well as moving mobs away from meditating team mates.

 

I also just recently found out it makes people really happy when you carry them to safety lol. I guess even in this game I'm a support main. 

[SphericRain]

Assassin can actually move dead people too. Unfortunately, I never seen anyone put point to spec the flower skill into that area.

[Zira]

25 minutes ago, Enamour said:

I also just recently found out it makes people really happy when you carry them to safety lol. I guess even in this game I'm a support main. 

I'm a Lyn.. and the first time a Gon picked me up and ran me to safety (Pigsty) I was like

"Wait Wut?" *falls out of chair laughing*

but Srsly tho.. Teach new people.. don't get mad kuz they don't know that to do... You have to try to tell them...

 

[Pinwheel]

I'm fine with teaching them if they'll listen, but they have to actually tell you they don't know what they are doing first. All too often they just leeroy it straight to their death and then drop group.

[SkyTanFlying]

54 minutes ago, Pinwheel said:

I'm fine with teaching them if they'll listen, but they have to actually tell you they don't know what they are doing first. All too often they just leeroy it straight to their death and then drop group.

yeah there were some of those. Had a skittering run I was the only one having the moonwater arena SS.
Everyone rush the first spot(after I said hold XD) and took aggro with all the mobs and we are all dead except me, tried to kite (smnr) while trying to resu at the same time but ping(PH player) can't handle, they left the party. :p

Mad respect for getting this one, guys!

[Deathshade]

13 minutes ago, SkyTanFlying said:

yeah there were some of those. Had a skittering run I was the only one having the moonwater arena SS.
Everyone rush the first spot(after I said hold XD) and took aggro with all the mobs and we are all dead except me, tried to kite (smnr) while trying to resu at the same time but ping(PH player) can't handle, they left the party. :p

Mad respect for getting this one, guys!

People dont need to have  moonwater arena grindshields to do dungeons. Those shields are crap. There is barely any crit and accuracy on it. I constantly see ppl with less then 100% accuracy that use grindshields. And you need 110 % accuracy for end game dungeons (46 lvl bosses ).

[SkyTanFlying]

2 minutes ago, Deathshade said:

People dont need to have  moonwater arena grindshields to do dungeons. Those shields are crap. There is barelly any crit and accuracy on it. And you need 110 % accuracy for end game dungeons (46 lvl bosses ).

It is not a requirement. But it helps a lot.
I had my first run on profane SS.

But the point of sharing my experience is everyone has a low HP and didn't know the correct positioning on that specific situation.
It is not about if it is crap on your perspective it is about some players doesn't know what to do and just leave the party even if your try to instruct them the right way to run a specific dungeon.

This is not a thread about shield, crit, accuracy.

[Shadovvv]

16 hours ago, Pinwheel said:

I'm fine with teaching them if they'll listen, but they have to actually tell you they don't know what they are doing first. All too often they just leeroy it straight to their death and then drop group.

Pretty much this. They have to let us know first otherwise we're going to assume they know.

 

That said, I spot a lot of people with undergeared equipment and soul shields. However, every time I recommend them something like Valor Stone Shields, which offer way better survivability than Stalker and such, I get a mouthful of insults, claiming that I don't know any better than them. So what's the point of trying to help if the community is just going to be toxic?

[Burhead]

only thing i'd say is theres a big difference between say for example a new level 43-45 in pigsty for the first time trying to learn the dungeon, and a level 36 going in there who literally cant do anything in the run.

 

 gotta differentiate that mess.

[Kaom]

Why some people need to be spoon fed all the time lol .

[Nutrient]

I kind of gave up trying to help and teach others unless they ask for advice because you usually get something like this:

^ When I drew which wall to climb on the map for the party member to follow, that was his response. (I had to whisper because the party chat is broken at the moment). He had the nerve to say we were wasting time when he was actually the one that wasted our time because he died trying to get to where we were. Throughout the run he kept saying we were wasting time and called us monkeys. ^_^

[Vau]

dungeons are kinda lame in this game unfortunately. they are already super short, and people are so impatient that 99% of the time everything except the bosses are skipped if they can be, and if not someone just pulls everything and prays it gets aoed before people die. 

 

as an assassin this strat really kills me because i only have 2 aoe skills on long cooldowns without speccing in a way that kills my single target/ stealth damage. i might as well just sit down when this happens.

 

i really hope they rethink how trash works, reduce the amount of it but make whats left harder, and NOTHING SHOULD LEASH IN INSTANCES!!!  its sooooooooo lame. i want to play the game not skip everything than cry about not having enough content a month down the road.

 

the entire pve endgame is very underwhelming because of this. 

 

going in as a fresh 45 expecting group fun and a challenge and just getting slapped in the face with a bunch of exploiters and a few boss fights :/ 

 

   

[Ninfu]

I've no problem someone being new to dungeon as long as they freaking say it. Im sick and tired of players who are new to dungeon and keep their mouth shut about it. NO one can help you out if you dont say that you're new.

 

Each person who cant say 2 fimple words. First time. Then go to uninstall or stay our of dungeons.

[Renivere]

It's hard to teach others because people get so cocky and don't listen.

 

I've ran Blackram 6 man many times. I'm in a party right now where the three people decided to start poharan while my 2 friends and I were still running there (we had all the agro) and proceeded to call us noobs and leechers lol.

We died because while my two friends were ressing, I was trying to infuse chii and the one FM ran by, stopped running, backed up and started fighting on top of them which obviously got them both killed and me shortly after.

We spawn, started running and suddenly I die to fire lmfao.

They kept calling us leeching noobs so to teach them a lesson, we were bidding reaaaaaalllly slowly on a volcanic belt. We'd wait until last second to outbid each other.

 

Anyways, I've tried teaching people but they'd always give me rude replies and never listen.

[StarTailZz]

I had this experience aswell, at my first poh run i didnt know where tf i was so i asked them if they could show me the way because its my first time and i have no idea.

1 of my party said leave the group u scrub fckin noob u just had to follow us.

But with the whole "teleporting" stuff + 1 was new to that dungeon i ofc had been a bit slower then they were so at some point i just lost them.

But 1 picked me up and i was really grateful there should be more players like that :)

Now im trying to help everyone i can to make them happy like i were when he picked me up :D

[Ryiox]

I don't hate beginners, but anyone going into a level 45 zone under that level immediately has my distaste. Granted this is completely on NCSoft to fix so I can only really partially blame them.

[icyterror]

Most people expect you to study beforehand not just jumping at it and be a dead-weigh. It's understandable.  How much of a chance would you run into the same person who you teach? Especially when we do those dungeon cross server most of the time...

 

I'm pretty sure your friends/clans would be more considerate then a total stranger. Not everyone has load of free-time so they wouldn't have the patience to waste time teaching other players so maybe it you who is inconsiderate? 

[Zira]

On 2/11/2016 at 4:52 AM, icyterror said:

Most people expect you to study beforehand not just jumping at it and be a dead-weigh. It's understandable.  How much of a chance would you run into the same person who you teach? Especially when we do those dungeon cross server most of the time...

 

I'm pretty sure your friends/clans would be more considerate then a total stranger. Not everyone has load of free-time so they wouldn't have the patience to waste time teaching other players so maybe it you who is inconsiderate? 

Am I the only one who sees this as a contradiction?

You expect Player A to use their free-time to study up on how to run the dungeon so that Player B won't have to take a fractionally shorter amount of time to make sure Player A isn't lost and type out a quick "When she dose A do B when she does C do D, stay out of the fire." 

[Asasel]

People with no skill should not come into Poh 4. But I see many very bad players that should uninstall the game in 4 man runs.

[OniOfTheSword]

Here was my experience as a newbie to the big 4 a couple of weeks ago:

 

Me: First time here. Anything specific I need to know about bosses?

PartyMember#1: STFU

PartyMember#2: No

PartyMember#3: Yolo and just kill

 

._. I stopped asking and just learned from experience, and being cautious instead of trying to faceroll boss. Putting a little distance between yourself and the boss allows you to see a lot of things that you wouldn't see in the heat of the facerolling moment as a noob.

 

But yes, if people ask or are confused, I explain. Otherwise, I just carry on with my business.

[ShakaAlek]

4 hours ago, Asasel said:

People with no skill should not come into Poh 4. But I see many very bad players that should uninstall the game in 4 man runs.

People with this attitude should uninstall any game that requires cooperation because they ruin the community.

I actually have a semi-decent experience about being taught and teaching in dungeons. A bit of talking often ends up saving more time than having to do a boss over and over. Once I even ended up clearing the mobs before slashimi instead of running through since one wasn't comfortable skipping and it actually didn't take longer than skipping and having to go back down to kill the last guy before the jump to help the one who, having the aggro, got hit and couldn't jump over the wall.
Sure, talking will let you meet firsthand some assholes, it's never a good experience that, but i've seen many more bad attitudes from player being insulted/raged for a mistake, than from ones being helped out.

[Shar]

I just love when people dps in front of the boss while I'm tanking...moving is hard bro :|

[Hitokiri]

On 2/10/2016 at 7:48 AM, SkyTanFlying said:

There is a lot of post on people who are not geared or seems leeching the dungeon runs and being hated which is normal, I guess :3.

Here is my thought and I am not saying it is absolute:
1. Early stage of launching the game, there are people who do the dungeons for the first time. Everyone will go through being a first time.
2. Rather than bashing them or asking them to leave because they are being carried, how about TEACH them, communicate.
3. Had lots of first run. Pigsty, Skittering and Poh was the hardest because I am with random people, but I told them it's my first time and they carefully and gently instructed me what to do:
a. They wait for me especially in Poh which is very confusing at first.
b. They brief me of the positioning and Boss' attack pattern.
c. They helped me finish everything especially in Poh.

I also do this if I observed there are first timers who are not geared properly or just a bull-rush.
It's more enjoyable paying it forward to others what you've learned.

TL;DR: if there are noobs on a dungeon run, communicate to them and teach them what to do.

 

Tried to teach. But most of this "noobs" are high quality as..holes. You cant be a "noob" at lvl 45 u can be only an as..hole. Only so i can explain those Dokumo heroes destroying every pt.

 

People already dont enter dungeon because before they check the equipment of other players in pt.

 

 

[Yeoniie]

Went to a party for a dungeon today with 45s, just one accidental slip and fall off the Poh Ocean and like 3 ppl tried to vote me out for an accidental fall. My friend was kind enough to wait for me, and this guy just kept whacking around saying that we took more than one minute. Pretty rude bunch, we all started somewhere definitely.