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2 hours ago, Bahiti said:

This is how all MMO's seem to be anymore. Let's whine about every teeny tiny little thing, but forget that even this game has cheaper costumes than other games.

It's understandable people don't want to pay a lot for things, but it's not like you can't live without it.

It's called consumers becoming smarter and better informed, being taken advantage of is no longer idly dismissed as you seem to think it should be. 

 

And sure we can live without it, but can the game? They need money to keep going, and most of the people playing this game want it to keep going, but when you feel shafted every time you give them your money it makes it pretty difficult for your to happily support them. People aren't asking for the publishers and devs to crap on their market model so we can enjoy everything for free, we are asking for them to provide a fair model so we can both benefit equally instead of them shafting a majority of us for a quick extra buck. 

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5 minutes ago, cubess said:

It's called consumers becoming smarter and better informed, being taken advantage of is no longer idly dismissed as you seem to think it should be. 

 

And sure we can live without it, but can the game? They need money to keep going, and most of the people playing this game want it to keep going, but when you feel shafted every time you give them your money it makes it pretty difficult for your to happily support them. People aren't asking for the publishers and devs to shit on their market model so we can enjoy everything for free, we are asking for them to provide a fair model so we can both benefit equally instead of them shafting a majority of us for a quick extra buck. 

Personally i'll take spending $15 on a costume than spending $100+ on rng box-only costumes and never getting it.

But that's me.

 

It's business. That's all an MMO is. A business. There will always be people out there that pay.

And honestly, most MMO companies or publishers don't give a rat's butt anymore. You frustrate your playerbase, but they'll still pay because they apparently feel they NEED to have something.

But no, I would not support costumes going over $15. That is the ceiling for "fair" in my book.

Plus I don't feel the need to buy every single one that comes up.

If you want to talk about smart, then people need to be smart with their money and not buy every single costume that comes up.

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16 hours ago, cubess said:

And flawed is putting it nicely, they've rubbed a lot of people wrong with the way they've handled this games release as I see it. Don't get me wrong, I understand the desire to make money, but they weren't in the least bit clever about it, and that did them really no favors. I'm not condemning this game to a death sentence yet either, but the way NC has presented is making it seem the most likely route at this point. 

 

Yeah well trying to be polite.

But as far as I know they did just what they promised, If you followed BnS from the announcement last yea till now.

And if you got a founders pack you would be well informed about every thing.

 

Look all I am saying they been open about the business model.

Some stuff I did not like even as a premium member.

Like the wardrobe behind a paywall give the F2P players something like 25 slots wardrobe.

Be smart about it give them something so they have a incentive to go premium.

Like I said before give premium members a discount on all items not random stuff.

All those QoL stuff for premiums ain't worth it for a lot of people if that is the only thing not even the glide effects.

 

I bought a master pack so I have 90 days premium that should be enough time to decide if I stay premium.

I love this game but It has issues not only premium mebership or other QoL stuff.

here in the EU well.. I find the server laggy at times.

Most anoying I find is that when you see the stream they have a internal ping tool.

Even worse is the ping they have.. it bounces around like the energizer (duracell) Bunny.

And saying with a strait face it fine..... 

 

Anyway I am going off topic now...

Thnx for constructive reply and I say one last thing I am not here to yell kick and scream.

Only here in the hopes NCsoft listens and takes action about our concerns..

 

 

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21 hours ago, Bahiti said:

Personally i'll take spending $15 on a costume than spending $100+ on rng box-only costumes and never getting it.

But that's me.

 

It's business. That's all an MMO is. A business. There will always be people out there that pay.

And honestly, most MMO companies or publishers don't give a rat's butt anymore. You frustrate your playerbase, but they'll still pay because they apparently feel they NEED to have something.

But no, I would not support costumes going over $15. That is the ceiling for "fair" in my book.

Plus I don't feel the need to buy every single one that comes up.

If you want to talk about smart, then people need to be smart with their money and not buy every single costume that comes up.

As would I, but for some people they'd openly take the alternative route (if not out of some foolish compulsion, than merely to have something that many others lacks) and to a company there is nothing negative to be seen in the method pardon some bad spotlight, which is honestly of no concern to them either seeing the current standards that most gaming companies abide by. I hope for improvements to that field as time moves on, hence why I suggested a pity meter at least for rng boxes (its at least a step towards publishers being at least somewhat caring to their customers as to not at all), but that's really only a step towards adopting a more consumer friendly mindset. 

 

And we are all well aware its all a business in the end, but that hardly excuses bad practice in turn. There is no downfall to being considerate or kind to your consumers, outside extra effort, and that is usually rewarded with a much much more loyal clientele. So sure there will always be people paying, but the methods by which they are convinced to buy can still effect how many and how long those payments will go. People who just shove money at games regardless of their practices are a problem none the less, but it doesn't really validate a companies lack of decency towards their consumers, there is no benefit to be had. We need to be smart, yes, but that's only part of the issue in my opinion, there's also a conflict on the developers/publishers by which they think it is standard or appropriate to treat their community as if nothing more than money pumps. 

20 hours ago, Silverwolvie said:

 

Yeah well trying to be polite.

But as far as I know they did just what they promised, If you followed BnS from the announcement last yea till now.

And if you got a founders pack you would be well informed about every thing.

 

Look all I am saying they been open about the business model.

Some stuff I did not like even as a premium member.

Like the wardrobe behind a paywall give the F2P players something like 25 slots wardrobe.

Be smart about it give them something so they have a incentive to go premium.

Like I said before give premium members a discount on all items not random stuff.

All those QoL stuff for premiums ain't worth it for a lot of people if that is the only thing not even the glide effects.

 

I bought a master pack so I have 90 days premium that should be enough time to decide if I stay premium.

I love this game but It has issues not only premium mebership or other QoL stuff.

here in the EU well.. I find the server laggy at times.

Most anoying I find is that when you see the stream they have a internal ping tool.

Even worse is the ping they have.. it bounces around like the energizer (duracell) Bunny.

And saying with a strait face it fine..... 

 

Anyway I am going off topic now...

Thnx for constructive reply and I say one last thing I am not here to yell kick and scream.

Only here in the hopes NCsoft listens and takes action about our concerns..

 

 

There's a difference between being polite a sugar coating it, there's nothing kind of helpful in being delicate about the matter at hand. And it doesn't matter if they did as promised, though I imagine very little was promised in the first place, they can still be held accountable to any misdeeds or slights of hand they commit. If I said I was going to scam someone that wouldn't make it okay when the deed was done. 

 

As for openness in their model, I didn't follow this game and its development enough to know one way or the other how open they were about its state, but that still doesn't change the state it wound up in, true to it or not. 

 

I appreciate as well your trying to remain constructive in the thread (its is quite easy to get lost between constructive criticism and ranting at times) and can only hope people like you can propel these kinds of debates in a proper direction and that the ideas that result might reach nc's ears, if only to make this game a bit more enjoyable.

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16 minutes ago, XeroOne1 said:

Stupid fanboy responses. Tut Tut

 

I agree with the OP,  greedy. After Wildstar and now this, I wont play another game they spoil.

It's a business soooo duhhh they are greedy...

 

What do you do when you walk into a super market scream at them and say I refuse to buy my items here until you lower the price!...?

or when you go buy a new car do you just throw a fit and cry saying omg! the car is NOT worth that much.....

 

or do you just buy items that are in your means and go on with life? Don't agree with the price than don't buy it and move on either by playing the game as f2p or  quit.. it's really that simple... everyone has a different amount they are willing to spend on anything so yes some people don't mind buying items out of a shop..

Example would be some people spend 100k+ on a car some spend around 40k some 20k and some drive a crap car that cost a few thousand... Everyone has different comfort levels and it's up to you on what yours is so if you do not feel a costume is worth $15 than don't get it lol.... you can still play the game with out it and trust me no one gives a crap if you have on a store bought costume or not

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that feeling when you compare buying a car to buying online pixels,  LOL, nice so when you go to a car-dealer you will lay down 100k for a sick BMW and at the end of the day you end up with a Suzuki alto worth 2k, cause you were unlucky and too bad bro no refunds, yeah thats how it works in companies.. uh no, it doesnt, you get what you pay for, this is just a rip-off i actually feel sorry for people that waste 100's of dollars trying to get the costume its rather sad, and only designed for one thing, to shake people their wallet empty, nothing more.

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9 minutes ago, Ambition said:

that feeling when you compare buying a car to buying online pixels,  LOL, nice so when you go to a car-dealer you will lay down 100k for a sick BMW and at the end of the day you end up with a Suzuki alto worth 2k, cause you were unlucky and too bad bro no refunds, yeah thats how it works in companies.. uh no, it doesnt.

They offer refunds as they have offered it to me they also offered it to anyone that bought a founder pack until the game came out... (also most dealerships do NOT offer refunds after you take it off the lot lol)

Buying a car was a metaphor.. meaning if you don't have the money to buy the 100k than don't lol... same goes with pixels if you don't have the money to buy it than don't it's really that simple... you do not NEED to dress your pixel baby up in whatever crap they sell to play the game...

 

 

Here's an easy example for ya

Some people can afford to go out to eat every night while some cannot

Some people can afford to go out to go out every weekend while some cannot

Some people can afford to go on vacations while some cannot

Some people can afford several houses and cars while some cannot

Some people can afford to buy a ton of designer clothes/shoes/purses while some cannot

Some people can afford the latest technology while some cannot 

Some people can afford to gamble while some cannot

 

 

See how all these things are not NESSARY to live they are just perks....

 

Some people can afford costumes in a game while some cannot

 

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It's not about having the money though, i could buy 300 boxes as we speak, buy why would i do that? why would i risk the chance of burning couple of hundred of dollars and simply getting unlucky? all cause i wanted that one outfit so bad, dont you see what a complete joke that is? i'm just happy i give 2 shits about costumes, dont really care what i look like il eventually get a nice outfit dropped in a dungeon or something sure, but i can imagine others who do value a rare costume alot, will maybe spend way more than they initially wanted to, all due to a simple exploit, its just a lame ass technique, we're not at Holland casino.

 

People will pay sure, plenty of people will also buy 100 boxes, not get what they wanted and simply ragequit, goodbye BnS, and when i watch their weekly stream, i do get the idea they are here to stay for a longtime, so...

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Puppy Pie said:

It's a business soooo duhhh they are greedy...

 

What do you do when you walk into a super market scream at them and say I refuse to buy my items here until you lower the price!...?

or when you go buy a new car do you just throw a fit and cry saying omg! the car is NOT worth that much.....

 

or do you just buy items that are in your means and go on with life? Don't agree with the price than don't buy it and move on either by playing the game as f2p or  quit.. it's really that simple... everyone has a different amount they are willing to spend on anything so yes some people don't mind buying items out of a shop..

Example would be some people spend 100k+ on a car some spend around 40k some 20k and some drive a crap car that cost a few thousand... Everyone has different comfort levels and it's up to you on what yours is so if you do not feel a costume is worth $15 than don't get it lol.... you can still play the game with out it and trust me no one gives a crap if you have on a store bought costume or not

Depends if everything in the store is stupid over priced and a digital item that doesn't require transportation, holding, physical labour to move on a stressed and short timeline before expiry.

 

 

Come on now that was just dumb.

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I noticed on this game people whine,and think this game is bad over small stuff lol *cricket* off,and play the bloody game lol I can see if the combat sucked,the gameplay was a bit massive boring,and the graphics were terrible but seriously whining over a costume ?? A fashion outfit ?? No mate ! Most players are not going to quit just because self entitled players think they should have special treatment because they have premium accounts lol

 

Over a bloody costume ?? I could give a damn about how I look in PVP,my armour is going to be covered with blood anyways. If you want fashion gw2 is always there !!! Cheers !! Get over yourself !!! Play the game,and bugger off ! )

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9 minutes ago, Ambition said:

It's not about having the money though, i could buy 300 boxes as we speak, buy why would i do that? why would i risk the chance of burning couple of hundred of dollars and simply getting unlucky? all cause i wanted that one outfit so bad, dont you see what a complete joke that is? i'm just happy i give 2 shits about costumes, dont really care what i look like il eventually get a nice outfit dropped in a dungeon or something sure, but i can imagine others who do value a rare costume alot, will maybe spend way more than they initially wanted to, all due to a simple exploit, its just a lame ass technique, we're not at Holland casino.

 

People will pay sure, plenty of people will also buy 100 boxes, not get what they wanted and simply ragequit, goodbye BnS, and when i watch their weekly stream, i do get the idea they are here to stay for a longtime, so...

 

 

 

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Come on mate the bloody costume doesn't even have stats on it lol If it wasn't for the bopae that costume would be a pretty look on a runaway !! :) Also I think it is great it takes a while to get something rare. Rome wasn't built in one day !!! You work hard you rewarded more !!! Alot of people in this world have no patience. So you are saying that player deserves that costume over night,or eventually given to them sooner after they tried to get it for a week. No that person should get that costume when it pops up ?? I believe in RNG because it's fun risking,and seeing what you get. Life is full of surprises so maybe these players don't care about a surprise because they are used to getting everything they want in life. They can't handle NO or wait !!

 

Also you don't need RL money,get your butt out,and farm !!! It's easy to make gold !!! Craft also !!! All you have to do is press a button,and turn off your computer !! Go play some football or workout. A matter of fact you will get a workout from crafting ! :)

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10 minutes ago, Glint said:

Depends if everything in the store is stupid over priced and a digital item that doesn't require transportation, holding, physical labour to move on a stressed and short timeline before expiry.

 

 

Come on now that was just dumb.

 

 

Only thing this doesn't require is transportation...

You have to pay people to mess with it deal with tickets and other billing issues, pay people to run the game since this is how they are making their money, pay bills on each property  to house all your employees who are running this deal, pay to use the game under contract, pay to house the servers or pay rent on them if you do not own them.

 

Come on now that was just dumb...

 

can't afford it don't get it.. trust me no one gives a crap what you wear in game... you can play the game without every spending a dime

 

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23 minutes ago, Puppy Pie said:

 

 

Only thing this doesn't require is transportation...

You have to pay people to mess with it deal with tickets and other billing issues, pay people to run the game since this is how they are making their money, pay bills on each property  to house all your employees who are running this deal, pay to use the game under contract, pay to house the servers or pay rent on them if you do not own them.

 

Come on now that was just dumb...

 

can't afford it don't get it.. trust me no one gives a crap what you wear in game... you can play the game without every spending a dime

 

You made the worst comparison I've seen in the thread so far. I haven't spent more than $5 on this game and I don't intend to spend a single dime on it after Aion and already seeing the repeating trend ncsoft seems to implement in their games. 

 

They already hire people who have next to no idea what they're doing. How well do you think they get paid? Do you have any idea how much ncsoft made off of pre-purchase packs? Any idea?

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1 minute ago, Glint said:

You made the worst comparison I've seen in the thread so far. I haven't spent more than $5 on this game and I don't intend to spend a single dime on it after Aion and already seeing the repeating trend ncsoft seems to implement in their games. 

 

They already hire people who have next to no idea what they're doing. How well do you think they get paid? Do you have any idea how much ncsoft made off of pre-purchase packs? Any idea?

Well seeing as you have to have a degree to work there I'm sure they get paid more than enough...

Bills to run a company are NOT cheap

 

Also they have a certain profit margin soooooo duhhhh they are not just trying to break even...Also I'm sure the contract to get this game was NOT cheap nor was it cheap to keep their lawyers on a salary to obtain this contract.. nor was it cheap to translate it... nor is it cheap to hire US citizens... nor is it cheap to have a EU server and pay people to maintain it over there... Nor is it cheap to even run a server

 

Example I have a heating and air company I can buy cheap parts for a few bucks and I sell them for $80+ not to even talk about the labor and service fee.. so this tiny $5 dollar part just cost this person about $150-$250 depending on their unit and which tech I send out.

Here's another one my brother owns a whole sale store.. he gets new TV's in for about 6k per load (which contains about 40 TVs of the new 4k smart 65in) which comes to about $150 per TV now he sells said TVs for about $550 each which is a LOT cheaper than anyone else, but he is still making a ton...

another example my mother is a nurse practitioner at a local doctors office simple medical supplies cost about $8-$20 per item, but they charge the people/insurance around $200-300 per visit, and sometimes they don't even have to use any items...

 

So please quit being dumb every business is in it to make money...

If you can't afford to dress up your stupid character than don't it's really that simple.. You look idiotic crying about something that is not even a necessity in the game or life... NCsoft is not a free entertainment company it is a business nor is it in this game to break even it is in it to come out ahead... 

 

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1 minute ago, Puppy Pie said:

Well seeing as you have to have a degree to work there I'm sure they get paid more than enough...

Bills to run a company are NOT cheap

 

Also they have a certain profit margin soooooo duhhhh they are not just trying to break even...Also I'm sure the contract to get this game was NOT cheap nor was it cheap to keep their lawyers on a salary to obtain this contract.. nor was it cheap to translate it... nor is it cheap to hire US citizens... nor is it cheap to have a EU server and pay people to maintain it over there... Nor is it cheap to even run a server

 

Example I have a heating and air company I can buy cheap parts for a few bucks and I sell them for $80+ not to even talk about the labor and service fee.. so this tiny $5 dollar part just cost this person about $150-$250 depending on their unit and which tech I send out.

Here's another one my brother owns a whole sale store.. he gets new TV's in for about 6k per load (which contains about 40 TVs of the new 4k smart 65in) which comes to about $150 per TV now he sells said TVs for about $550 each which is a LOT cheaper than anyone else, but he is still making a ton...

another example my mother is a nurse practitioner at a local doctors office simple medical supplies cost about $8-$20 per item, but they charge the people/insurance around $200-300 per visit, and sometimes they don't even have to use any items...

 

So please quit being dumb every business is in it to make money...

If you can't afford to dress up your stupid character than don't it's really that simple.. You look idiotic crying about something that is not even a necessity in the game or life... NCsoft is not a free entertainment company it is a business nor is it in this game to break even it is in it to come out ahead... 

 

Not cheap to translate but whoever they hired to do the job did it horribly. Yeah, I'm sure they paid a premium. Please stop White Knighting. Ncsoft is cheap AF.

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4 minutes ago, Glint said:

Not cheap to translate but whoever they hired to do the job did it horribly. Yeah, I'm sure they paid a premium. Please stop White Knighting. Ncsoft is cheap AF.

Stop being stupid and not thinking they are in it to break even or to give you free entertainment...

 

 

You do not NEED the costumes so why are you crying about it?

Just don't buy the crap it's really that easy I promise... There are a TON of costumes in game....heck people don't even give a crap on what you have on anyways unless your wanting them to be like "OMG do you see what that person is wearing OMG I'm so Jealous OMG OMG they are so cool!!" 

 

When I walk in a store and see something I would LOVE, but than I see the price my reaction is WOAH I don't need it that bad, and walk away.. I don't take it to the front of the store and start to cry saying this is unfair!!!

Unless your in a pawn shop or garage sale than rules change lol

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10 minutes ago, Puppy Pie said:

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So please quit being dumb every business is in it to make money...

If you can't afford to dress up your stupid character than don't it's really that simple.. You look idiotic crying about something that is not even a necessity in the game or life... NCsoft is not a free entertainment company it is a business nor is it in this game to break even it is in it to come out ahead... 

 

Meanwhile Ubisoft is working on game for more than 3/4 years (The Divsion), a game which costs WYY WAY  much more to make with waaaay more staff, they release it for 59.99 (ignore the new expansion pack hype for now) and still make a *peep* load of profit,  funny right? yes i know they make more games a year, my point is they dont need 10 billion people to waste hundreds of dollars, they make one good product and the product sells itself, BIG difference.

 

master pack in this game alone already costs 100+ dollars, there were one million players at one point playing blade and soul, lets say 40% of them had a masterpack, do the math, catch my drift? okay then.

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8 minutes ago, Ambition said:

Meanwhile Ubisoft is working on game for more than 3/4 years, a game which costs WAYYYYY WAY WAY much more to make, they release it for 59.99 (ignore the new expansion pack hype for now) and still make a *peep* load of profit,  funny right? yes i know they make more games a year, my point is they dont need 10 billion people to waste hundreds of dollars, they make one good product and the product sells itself, BIG difference.

 

master pack in this game alone already costs 100+ dollars, there were one million players at one point playing blade and soul, lets say 40% of them had a masterpack, do the math, catch my drift? okay then.

You know that game will have in game purchases as well right?

 

People like money do you catch my drift?

Next time your A/C or Heater breaks down and they quote you a couple hundred to fix it just remember the parts are CHEAP.

Next time you go to the doctor remember the medical supplies (if they have a good dealer) cost hardly nothing (that 10k surgery you are billed for only cost them about 1.5k-2.5k at the most)

Next time you go and buy that new phone or TV that the parts are 70% markup

Next time you go out to eat just remember that whole sale food from whatever company they use is pretty cheap and you are eating a markup

Next time you take your dog to the vet and they charge you $30-$50 per shot that those shots cost around $5.00 at the most for them

 

Hope you catch my drift that people are not in it to not make money...

Instead of crying about it don't buy it and move on because really I mean really no one gives a flying crap about what you wear in game...

 

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Just now, Glint said:

He's just another White Knight that ncsoft hasn't screwed over yet. Give the fanboy time.

Just another cry baby who doesn't understand a business or a weeb who needs to get off on watching their char prance around in a tiny outfit but doesn't have the budget for said outfit

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Just now, Puppy Pie said:

Just another cry baby who doesn't understand a business or a weeb who needs to get off on watching their char prance around in a tiny outfit but doesn't have the budget for said outfit

Like I said, I've spent $5 on the game and won't spend more. I only spent that to get by the que and play with my friends, which is the only reason I'm even here. You, on the other hand, you'll come to see in time what kind of a company ncsoft is and that the predominance of these forums complaining about pricing among other things is not a new theme. 

 

Enjoy your jaded time, little one.

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