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Michieltjuhh

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Michieltjuhh

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It's simple, really. If the only thing you ever meet 1800+ in arena are Blade Dancers, Assassins, Summoners and Destroyers, something is terribly wrong. As a Blade Master I have -NO- tools to beat ANY of these classes unless they make INSANE mistakes. Either you start shipping out temporary balance patches FAR quicker than now, or you'll lose every single KFM/FM/BM player before you ever reach a proper level of balance. The game already seems to be in decline considering there's not a single time of the day with a queue anymore. You're just signing your own grave by making PvP revolve around four classes of which only one requires half a brain and leaving the remaining three classes in the dust.

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The problem isn't that my rating isn't increasing. The problem is that I'm only meeting 4 of 7 classes the game has to offer which are confirmed by people better than all of us to be broken in the current patch we have. Just because there's a few diamond BM/FM/KFMs doesn't mean there aren't atleast 10 of every other class for each of them. We need Asia's balance, NOW, or nobody will bother playing these classes anymore and probably just the game in general.

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Generally all the people who know how to play their class don't seem to be whining about how "unbalanced" PVP is let alone the classes in general, infact, western NURFED almost every class from the KOR serv. like guys pls stop whining

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There's a way to counter everything without the "insane mistakes" being made on your end. Have you considered the possibility that you or other players stuck in Gold or lower simply aren't as good as other players in higher tiers?

 

Or that people in the higher tiers played on the foreign server and those classes are their favored choices, giving them an edge in experience comparatively?

 

This issue may not be balance, and past PvP experience in other games is rather irrelevant since this game doesn't play like most others, but a result of not understanding the classes and the counters that can be applied against said class?

 

Also the big patch is next Wednesday, if a week is simply too long to wait for a content/balance bomb of a patch, perhaps finding something with more immediate gratification would be more your style?

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7 minutes ago, Michieltjuhh said:

The problem isn't that my rating isn't increasing. The problem is that I'm only meeting 4 of 7 classes the game has to offer which are confirmed by people better than all of us to be broken in the current patch we have. Just because there's a few diamond BM/FM/KFMs doesn't mean there aren't atleast 10 of every other class for each of them. We need Asia's balance, NOW, or nobody will bother playing these classes anymore and probably just the game in general.

 

You said "We need Asia's balance, NOW," just like Veruca Salt would.  All I can do is shake my head.  It was a succinct way to summarize what's wrong with gaming communities these days.

 

And maybe some classes are a bit easier to pull off than others, so it's going to take time for the players of some of the other classes to mature.  Is that really such a bad thing?  That you have to work to get better?  Also, if people hear certain classes are better, they'll flock to those classes in droves.  So what does that say about the representation again?  You need to consider the entire data set, not just make wild assumptions based on a few anecdotal facts.

 

And if we had the exact same balance that Asia had today, there would be no difference in the number or quality of the complaints on these forums.  It's just an excuse you're using to kick the whine can further down the road.

 

In short, grow up.  And take your silly ultimatums elsewhere.

 

God I hate ultimatums.  Especially from people with absolutely no power.  Look what you've done, my jimmies are entirely too rustled for 1:54 PM.

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18 minutes ago, Michieltjuhh said:

It's simple, really. If the only thing you ever meet 1800+ in arena are Blade Dancers, Assassins, Summoners and Destroyers, something is terribly wrong. As a Blade Master I have -NO- tools to beat ANY of these classes unless they make INSANE mistakes. Either you start shipping out temporary balance patches FAR quicker than now, or you'll lose every single KFM/FM/BM player before you ever reach a proper level of balance. The game already seems to be in decline considering there's not a single time of the day with a queue anymore. You're just signing your own grave by making PvP revolve around four classes of which only one requires half a brain and leaving the remaining three classes in the dust.

1. How dare you speak on the playerbase's behalf.

2. I guess you don't bother to stay informed to see that Feb. 10th they're adding 5 Hongmoon levels for 11 extra skill points.

3. While yes, those classes are strong in this current patch, no one with a higher rating than you seems to have a problem with it as there are diamond ranked players of every class.

4. KFM probably has the most diamond ranked players that I know of..

5. What makes you think FM struggles and/or is weak in this current patch?

6. Why does every idiot reference no queues anymore to "the game declining/dying"? They opened more servers.. people grew tired of the queues and rerolled on these new servers.. Sure, there's some people that have left, but are you really that dense? or are you just looking for reasons to leave the game? If so.. please, just go. You will not be missed.

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Didn't mean to rustle your jimmies buddy, but the game's still broken in its current state. I have my doubts that the patch next week is going to fix a thing. If we had Asia's balance today, the complaints would still roll in, sure. But you wouldn't see me complaining, because I know the game's far closer to balanced there than it is here in its current state.

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33 minutes ago, Michieltjuhh said:

It's simple, really. If the only thing you ever meet 1800+ in arena are Blade Dancers, Assassins, Summoners and Destroyers, something is terribly wrong. As a Blade Master I have -NO- tools to beat ANY of these classes unless they make INSANE mistakes. Either you start shipping out temporary balance patches FAR quicker than now, or you'll lose every single KFM/FM/BM player before you ever reach a proper level of balance. The game already seems to be in decline considering there's not a single time of the day with a queue anymore. You're just signing your own grave by making PvP revolve around four classes of which only one requires half a brain and leaving the remaining three classes in the dust.

 

I'm not going to tell you to 'git gud' or something but watch this, maybe it will change some of your opinions..

 

 

 

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Bm, fm and kfm will improve with the next patch hopefully, I doubt the playerbase would stop doing PvP because regardless it's still fun but there is obvious gaps between class balance due to not having the hongmoon skill points yet. 

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4 hours ago, Michieltjuhh said:

It's simple, really. If the only thing you ever meet 1800+ in arena are Blade Dancers, Assassins, Summoners and Destroyers, something is terribly wrong. As a Blade Master I have -NO- tools to beat ANY of these classes unless they make INSANE mistakes. Either you start shipping out temporary balance patches FAR quicker than now, or you'll lose every single KFM/FM/BM player before you ever reach a proper level of balance. The game already seems to be in decline considering there's not a single time of the day with a queue anymore. You're just signing your own grave by making PvP revolve around four classes of which only one requires half a brain and leaving the remaining three classes in the dust.

Everyone is not created equal in life. You are just getting beat by better players. There will always be a winner and a loser and you are the loser.

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14 hours ago, Michieltjuhh said:

Didn't mean to rustle your jimmies buddy, but the game's still broken in its current state. I have my doubts that the patch next week is going to fix a thing. If we had Asia's balance today, the complaints would still roll in, sure. But you wouldn't see me complaining, because I know the game's far closer to balanced there than it is here in its current state.

 

Yep it wont fix much. We need the Hongmoon Skills for a total fix, not the points. 

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The 11 extra skill points we'll have available with next week's content will be a HUGE benefit to BMs. Sure, we will only have access to earn HM lightning draw (4), but the skill points alone are a godsend. We'll finally be able to round out our build in a way that we're not giving up damage and CC in order to manage focus. With the December balance update we are also getting, V (Flock of Blades) will also give us a huge chunk of chi regen and flicker is getting a damage buff, both just icing on the cake. 

 

As far as "we need asia content right now or the whole playerbase quits on my command!" goes... aside from your giant ego making you think you can speak for us, that's just not going to happen. NCWest has made it clear in their streams and posts that they are hell bent on getting us caught up with the other regions ASAP, but it's going to take time to localize all the game content. They can't simply "give us the asia content" because it's not ready yet. You can either face reality or be an impatient child, either way it is what it is. 

 

Regardless of all the tears around here, this game is better balanced in a 1v1 setting than any other MMO I'm familiar with. It's not straight up rock/paper/scissors where you can't win. Great BM players have proven this by making their way up to Diamond. It took them more effort and skill to do it than the stronger classes, but the point is that it's completely doable. 

 

 

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The difference skill makes in this game is just so big that it makes the imbalances somewhat moot, even FM who is currently the most screwed, will beat anyone they are straightout better than.

 

And the issue with most of the classes isn't imbalance, it is that some classes at beginner level are much easier to win with.

e.g. It is a lot easier to spam spin as BD/dest than it is to deal with spin as FM, which is why at low levels there will be a big difference in classes, that is not balance issues but rather skill issues.

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4 hours ago, Arisha said:

 

Yep it wont fix much. We need the Hongmoon Skills for a total fix, not the points. 

Actually no, it isn't the Hongmoon skills that you need as there are Diamond ranked players in every class. Practice, research your own/opposing classes and get better. Simple.

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45 minutes ago, ssolitude said:

The difference skill makes in this game is just so big that it makes the imbalances somewhat moot, even FM who is currently the most screwed, will beat anyone they are straightout better than.

 

And the issue with most of the classes isn't imbalance, it is that some classes at beginner level are much easier to win with.

e.g. It is a lot easier to spam spin as BD/dest than it is to deal with spin as FM, which is why at low levels there will be a big difference in classes, that is not balance issues but rather skill issues.

LOL... just LOL. Please, explain to me how FM's are "the most screwed"

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19 hours ago, Michieltjuhh said:

It's simple, really. If the only thing you ever meet 1800+ in arena are Blade Dancers, Assassins, Summoners and Destroyers, something is terribly wrong. As a Blade Master I have -NO- tools to beat ANY of these classes unless they make INSANE mistakes. Either you start shipping out temporary balance patches FAR quicker than now, or you'll lose every single KFM/FM/BM player before you ever reach a proper level of balance. The game already seems to be in decline considering there's not a single time of the day with a queue anymore. You're just signing your own grave by making PvP revolve around four classes of which only one requires half a brain and leaving the remaining three classes in the dust.

Learn this: All KOREAN games are updated FASTER for 6 months then NOT korean servers - google korean LASt updates.

 

Last 2 updates:

BM - buffed.

KFM - buffed

FM - buffed

DM - nerfed.

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The OP is right. Though my main is Sin BM are extremely weak in our patch. even less than worthless in Tag. GG vs 3 Des or 3 Sum even if you play good theres nothing you can do.

 

BM lacks the legendary skills needed to beat Sums and BM needs the legendary skill to unlock one of the invulnerable skill which is extremely important.

 

im Plat but i have never seen any Diamond BM. On Korea and other regions ofc thats because they have legendary skills available already

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