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Noel   

The problem is that the boxes already has moonwater tears in them. It's not called a slippery slope for nothing, I've seen way too many mmos falling down this path. The only thing that lies in the end is a half dead game with a select few that have spent way too much to stop. The boxes aren't helping the game, it's helping a cycle that the company will see as a way to keep making money without actually putting more work into supporting the game itself.

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8 minutes ago, BattleKat said:

You know, to be honest, id rather have a costume that not many players have, and i can feel special with it, than having a plain sold costume while i have 999 clones of me wearing the same. Also yes, the RNG boxes give them more money, thats obvious, but i see that as something that make me feel more secure, so the game will last longer.

 

Selling plain costumes at cheap prices (because yes, they are pretty cheap, and even if you say ''well then sell them at a high price, this topic will exist with the name WHY ARE THEY SO EXPENSIVE instead'') will end up leaving the players with nothing else to buy, which mean, no more income for the company, which mean a secure dead for the server. I want the game to last for a very long time, even if that mean i have to pay more for a single costume that i really want, because if i am going to gamble for it, mean that i want it.

 

And NO, dont say ''oh well they could just design more costumes for us so the shop will always have new things'', you know, they have to pay the developers to design more, which mean more money, which is also UP to the developers if they want to do it or not, or maybe they dont see a future in this server and stop making more content, i have seen that happening, the name was RaiderZ, was a very very good game with a combat like the one we have here in BnS. So stop complaining pls, be happy that we have a non pay2win game, if you guys complain more, i wont be surprised that they add rings in the cash shop that give 10.000 Dmg each...

See the guy above who spent $100 to get one for his fiancee and got nada. No matter how much you spend you're guaranteed nothing. At least the "prestige" outfitters that require $200 or more spent are guaranteed. This is just garbage. The only exception I would make is for RNG boxes as a bonus with other purchases, once per account with a chance at sometime, but direct purchase with no guarantee is BS.

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AuraLove   

20$ a month premium and now RNG boxes?... come now NC. I understand money is fun. but don't make outfits in RNG boxes that will drive away many paying customers who don't fall for that trap. Like myself..I am happy to pay the 20$ once and awhile for an outfit if its good. But random boxes? nope. That would be like spending 200$ opening boxes and never getting an outfit.

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8 minutes ago, BattleKat said:

/snip

And NO, dont say ''oh well they could just design more costumes for us so the shop will always have new things'', you know, they have to pay the developers to design more, which mean more money, which is also UP to the developers if they want to do it or not, or maybe they dont see a future in this server and stop making more content, i have seen that happening, the name was RaiderZ, was a very very good game with a combat like the one we have here in BnS. So stop complaining pls, be happy that we have a non pay2win game, if you guys complain more, i wont be surprised that they add rings in the cash shop that give 10.000 Dmg each...

 

You do realise that they only have to "copy" work that has already been done by KR right? As in, the costumes you see aren't original creations...

 

For me, RNG is for in-game rewards/gold, when real money comes into the picture, RNG needs to gtfo.

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WarBaby2   
2 minutes ago, Noel said:

The problem is that the boxes already has moonwater tears in them. It's not called a slippery slope for nothing, I've seen way too many mmos falling down this path. The only thing that lies in the end is a half dead game with a select few that have spent way too much to stop. The boxes aren't helping the game, it's helping a cycle that the company will see as a way to keep making money without actually putting more work into supporting the game itself.

A cynical person might think that that's exactly where eastern publishers want their western ports to be, ideally...

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3 minutes ago, Daemoroth said:

 

You do realise that they only have to "copy" work that has already been done by KR right? As in, the costumes you see aren't original creations...

 

For me, RNG is for in-game rewards/gold, when real money comes into the picture, RNG needs to gtfo.

Thats obvious, but the KR content will eventually run out after one year or less, which is what happened to RaiderZ, there was no more content to copy, so there was nothing else the players could buy, so they started adding the p2w content, and RIP game, perfect world closed the servers.

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WarBaby2   
2 minutes ago, BattleKat said:

Thats obvious, but the KR content will eventually run out after one year or less, which is what happened to RaiderZ, there was no more content to copy, so there was nothing else the players could buy, so they started adding the p2w content, and RIP game, perfect world closed the servers.

Considering the the lead artist of BnS left NC, that might be a likely future for the game, yea... then again, it still is a very popular game in KR.

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Enhance   
4 minutes ago, WarBaby2 said:

Considering the the lead artist of BnS left NC, that might be a likely future for the game, yea... then again, it still is a very popular game in KR.

Lead artist =/= best artist

Edited by Enhance
Wrong quote, ty forums

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I am incredibly disappointed at the addition of the boxes.
I bought the master pack, and also bought more coins to gift premiums to friends and give them costumes.

I do not mind paying for the game, and i do not mind spending money to support a game i love.

But i do not want to spend 200$+ for a *cricket* costume or that one acessory that refuses to drop.

Funny thing is, i would have spent way more than 200$ in different items, regular purchase costumes and stuff that was worth it just the same, but now i will not spend it in either.

Edited by SagaSoftail

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1 minute ago, BattleKat said:

Thats obvious, but the KR content will eventually run out after one year or less, which is what happened to RaiderZ, there was no more content to copy, so there was nothing else the players could buy, so they started adding the p2w content, and RIP game, perfect world closed the servers.

 

You're assuming that the devs (KR) are going to stop creating costumes. And with costumes being sold across what, seven countries (CN, TW, JP, KR, NA, EU, RU) I'm pretty sure the investment by devs/artists/etc are being made back. Your entire point regarding costume creation ("which is also UP to the developers if they want to do it or not, or maybe they dont see a future in this server and stop making more content") is ill-conceived and quite moot: They're not creating for JUST NA. It isn't even NA who are creating it. Stopping the addition of costumes will ALSO stop costumes in the RNG boxes either way (No more content = no more costumes to put INTO RNG boxes = same result).

 

Getting money by selling a costume is infinitely more than getting nothing because people stop buying RNG boxes.

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ouija   

as much as I would usually be one of the first people to defend this game, I can't say I'm happy about the rng boxes. that's the kind of stuff I really couldn't stand about Tera and Mabinogi- if I'm gonna be spending money on something from the cash shop, I want to actually get the item I want. having to go through box upon box upon box just isn't worth it, from a buyer's standpoint. 

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Catroot   

So like I spend $50 and get 28 keys, which I could have bought from npc vendor for 2.8 golds. I feel super scammed like I lost all my $$ at a poker table when everyone knew the dealer was cheating.  But some other player like $2 and got the "exclusive"? outfit? 

 

Is it even exclusive to this box? It shows a blue named one in the wardrobe but this one is purple named and they're the same outfit.

So they hope that maybe %50 of their customers are happy and continue to deal in super shady sleazy business practices.

NC-soft just got added to my **** list.

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Empyrean   

I bought Master Pack and I am pretty satisfied with the NCoins that I can use for Pouches and some Costumes. 

I love to support this game. But not in this way. 

Disappointed at the head start launch, feel like I'm wasting my life. 

Disappointed at the reward changes for quests, struggle to level items as a casual player.

Now this box makes me feel worse. 

 

The hype is over.

 

I think I need to stay away from this game and spend time on some other games/things that worth the time

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WarBaby2   
20 minutes ago, Enhance said:

Lead artist =/= best artist

True, but that particular artist is hyung-tae kim - the guy that has, singlehandedly defined the style of the game.

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Pettanko   

'Costume prices are fine because NCSoft needs to make money so they won't resort to RNG boxes and P2W'

- people in the costume prices thread

'Premium wardrobe is fine because NCSoft needs to make money so they won't resort to RNG boxes and P2W'

- people in the wardrobe thread

 

LOL look where this got us.

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Empyrean   
6 minutes ago, Enhance said:

People can get an outfit for a lot of money = game not worth the time

 

eh

People spent decent amount of money and did not get the costume, and they feel bad every second afterwards in game for a certain amount of time.  

Instead of getting fun from the game, they are suffering. 

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Korene   
Just now, Banished said:

It's only worth it if your RICH

Rich people wouldn't go for this... that's why they are rich LOL. They don't fall for mediocre cash grabs like this.

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Enhance   
2 minutes ago, Empyrean said:

People spent decent amount of money and did not get the costume, and they feel bad every second afterwards in game for a certain amount of time.  

Instead of getting fun from the game, they are suffering. 

You're making this look like they're just forced by hand.

People pay for a chance to get an outfit. Knowingly. They don't get it, too bad. They get it, cool.

 

Suddenly the game's not worth the time tho. 10/10

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khynnea   

The powers that be already decided to go this route and milk the game for all it's worth, it seems. Ok, their prerogative. Pity, I enjoy much about this game.

 

I will not be purchasing any lock boxes, ever. And this very well may signal the end of my spending money on the game. My current NCoin will get spent, I'll enjoy my time remaining, and either play for free or leave.

 

There are other ways for a gaming company to make money and provide content to a player base, without exploiting RNG. The arguments 'you don't have to buy them' or 'you don't have to get the stuff' are quite true, but when you're happy to support a game, complain that there isn't anything you *want* in the store in their surveys and then they release the new content in this fashion, forget it.

 

They aren't even publishing the % chance, loot still is unable to be traded within an account, costumes are not account-bound, no account storage, so many other issues to throw lock boxes on top of it.

 

Game is fun, but based on company's demonstrated behavior, my cash investment willingness just disappeared. GG.

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WarBaby2   
11 minutes ago, Enhance said:

You're making this look like they're just forced by hand.

People pay for a chance to get an outfit. Knowingly. They don't get it, too bad. They get it, cool.

 

Suddenly the game's not worth the time tho. 10/10

Well, that's the wormhole... if situations like that pop up, people start to question if the game is even worth it in the first place, and - as a publisher - you don't want that to happen, if you know what you are doing.

Edited by WarBaby2

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Empyrean   
Just now, Enhance said:

You're making this look like they're just forced by hand.

People pay for a chance to get an outfit. Knowingly. They don't get it, too bad. They get it, cool.

 

Suddenly the game's not worth the time tho. 10/10

You are talking like you are not a consumer. They buy the box because they don't want the costume and don't want their characters look good haha!

Now I will ask you: do you want the costume? Most people do not have it. 

After spending 50 dollars, 

My heart says yes, my brain says no. and my wallet is still full of cash. 

 

NCSoft can sell the costume for a higher price, I'm Ok with that. 

Now they put the RNG box in like gambling, it's not good. 

When you get into casino, the mindset is ok Today I will spend 50 dollars as a consumer or 1 hour and I will leave which comes first. Then enjoy the excitement of gambling. 

But this thing is disappointing and could be endless. 

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Enhance   
Just now, WarBaby2 said:

Well, that's the wormhole... if situations like that pop up, people start to question if the game is even worth it in the first place, and - as a publisher - you don't want that to happen, if you know what you are doing.

The thing is, the outfit is not vital to the game. It looks nice, some people will want it, and if you want it, you have to try your luck. If you still don't get it, you have to accept your fate and wait for it to come out normally, if ever. Otherwise, move on without a hitch. Get a different outfit you like even more.

If there was some vital stuff like next weapon upgrade in that box, that could not be received anywhere else, yeah that sucks. Hongmoon levels in RNG boxes would scatter even myself away. But a costume? Why the *cricket* not.

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