ActiumPraetor Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Anyone care to wager on whether the chat system runs through the authentication system for clients? I bet I can inject a chat message without even logging into the game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LilRed Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Just now, Dark Unwinding said: well I'm glad they finally added a system like that in,but it could last more then 2 minutes,but better then nothing it's useless if bots just bypass it, which they do. And that system has been in place since cbt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robolivable Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 The in game chat is literally broken at this point. I don't understand, this problem has been solved over and over again in other games. There are plenty of routes to take to solve this issue... W̶̶̶e̶̶̶ ̶̶̶l̶̶̶i̶̶̶t̶̶̶e̶̶̶r̶̶̶a̶̶̶l̶̶̶l̶̶̶y̶̶̶ ̶̶̶d̶̶̶o̶̶̶n̶̶̶'̶̶̶t̶̶̶ ̶̶̶e̶̶̶v̶̶̶e̶̶̶n̶̶̶ ̶̶̶n̶̶̶e̶̶̶e̶̶̶d̶̶̶ ̶̶̶a̶̶̶ ̶̶̶s̶̶̶o̶̶̶p̶̶̶h̶̶̶i̶̶̶s̶̶̶t̶̶̶i̶̶̶c̶̶̶a̶̶̶t̶̶̶e̶̶̶d̶̶̶ ̶̶̶a̶̶̶l̶̶̶g̶̶̶o̶̶̶,̶̶̶ ̶̶̶j̶̶̶u̶̶̶s̶̶̶t̶̶̶ ̶̶̶a̶̶̶ ̶̶̶l̶̶̶e̶̶̶v̶̶̶e̶̶̶l̶̶̶ ̶̶̶g̶̶̶a̶̶̶t̶̶̶e̶̶̶ ̶̶̶o̶̶̶n̶̶̶ ̶̶̶t̶̶̶h̶̶̶e̶̶̶ ̶̶̶c̶̶̶h̶̶̶a̶̶̶t̶̶̶ ̶̶̶f̶̶̶e̶̶̶a̶̶̶t̶̶̶u̶̶̶r̶̶̶e̶̶̶ ̶̶̶w̶̶̶i̶̶̶l̶̶̶l̶̶̶ ̶̶̶c̶̶̶u̶̶̶l̶̶̶l̶̶̶ ̶̶̶t̶̶̶h̶̶̶e̶̶̶ ̶̶̶r̶̶̶i̶̶̶d̶̶̶i̶̶̶c̶̶̶u̶̶̶l̶̶̶o̶̶̶u̶̶̶s̶̶̶ ̶̶̶a̶̶̶m̶̶̶o̶̶̶u̶̶̶n̶̶̶t̶̶̶ ̶̶̶o̶̶̶f̶̶̶ ̶̶̶s̶̶̶p̶̶̶a̶̶̶m̶̶̶m̶̶̶i̶̶̶n̶̶̶g̶̶̶ ̶̶̶g̶̶̶o̶̶̶i̶̶̶n̶̶̶g̶̶̶ ̶̶̶o̶̶̶n̶̶̶ ̶̶̶r̶̶̶i̶̶̶g̶̶̶h̶̶̶t̶̶̶ ̶̶̶n̶̶̶o̶̶̶w̶̶̶.̶̶̶.̶̶̶.̶̶̶ S̶e̶r̶i̶o̶u̶s̶l̶y̶,̶ ̶m̶a̶k̶e̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶r̶e̶q̶u̶i̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶s̶e̶ ̶g̶o̶l̶d̶ ̶s̶e̶l̶l̶e̶r̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶p̶u̶t̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶c̶i̶o̶u̶s̶ ̶t̶i̶m̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶w̶a̶t̶c̶h̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶m̶ ̶d̶i̶s̶a̶p̶p̶e̶a̶r̶.̶ edit: It's apparent that it's more than just a bot spamming issue as these users are able to get around the limitations already in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robolivable Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 27 minutes ago, ActiumPraetor said: Anyone care to wager on whether the chat system runs through the authentication system for clients? I bet I can inject a chat message without even logging into the game... It almost seems that way based on the frequency at which the messages show up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmry Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 46 minutes ago, ActiumPraetor said: Anyone care to wager on whether the chat system runs through the authentication system for clients? I bet I can inject a chat message without even logging into the game... Seems very possible since its possible to skip entirely the ncsoft launcher, so I don't doubt theres some sort of packets being sent straight to chat. Something like what happened with team fortress 2 where people could idle in servers without actually playing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroCode Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 80 pages come on ppl get this to 100 page and NCsoft might actually take notice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somnolence Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 5 hours ago, ActiumPraetor said: I'm seriously considering firing up my development tools and writing a proxy server for managing the chat issue - if I intercept all traffic used by the game I can pretty easily regexp anything that looks like a chat message and drop it at the proxy, neatly eliminating the RMT chat-spam problem in one fell swoop and simultaneously taking it out of NCsoft's hands. Basically this was what Guildwork did with FFXIV - shoehorn a proxy between the client and the Internet, and regexp-filter everything going through the proxy that is marked as a chat entry. EDIT: A few moments with Wireshark and I can see the chat comes in from 64.25.37.254, at least on my client. If others with the technical capacity can gather IP addresses on what the game is using for what I might be able to get something going. I think this would only work if it would be idiot-proof run-and-forget tool that would auto-update blocking patterns a la AdBlockPlus plugin for browsers, that would become so widespread that NCSoft would be forced to ignore people running it as they would not afford to ban so many legit players. Solution being widespread is necessary for health and future of the game, its not much of a benefit if you can get it fixed but others don't know how, get tired of spam and leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keawen Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Seems to work so far on my european server.Had to block only 3 since hotfix.I guess they are busy getting bots to level 10 though so wouldn't expect to last forever.On the other hand they can't just make bots level 1 or 4 anymore so before they can spam takes more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephiral Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Take the stupid bs limit off of the block list = win. Screw all the automated stuff lets just make it possible to actually work the problem out ourselves, then the people running the bots won't ransack the server with the mentality of "Oh lol they can only block 50 of us so lets put 51+ on the server" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farinali Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 like i said in a other post, ncsoft can only stop gold sellers and bots if they sell gold and to ratio where gold sellers cant compete. only solution.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whimsicalalien Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I see lvl1 bots spamming faction chats on Mushin. NCsoft, what is this sorcery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offended Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I would love to be able to use chat and maybe, every now and then get a mining node you know for crafting, instead of botters getting 95% of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigoleu Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 How about this!! Use the achievement system and marketplace as a method to shut them up. Like have a achievement that need player to unlock in order to freely chat with no spam block restriction. All they need to do is just buy stuff under 3s or more. Its easy and pretty simple to shut them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkJ Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 3 hours ago, Nigoleu said: How about this!! Use the achievement system and marketplace as a method to shut them up. Like have a achievement that need player to unlock in order to freely chat with no spam block restriction. All they need to do is just buy stuff under 3s or more. Its easy and pretty simple to shut them up. except that wont work.... If you think the gold spammers are not buying up cheap items on the market and then jacking up the price your nuts... I am pretty sure if there was an achievement to unlock chat by buying something for 3 silver they would be the first to achieve it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuz Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 2 hours ago, DarkJ said: except that wont work.... If you think the gold spammers are not buying up cheap items on the market and then jacking up the price your nuts... I am pretty sure if there was an achievement to unlock chat by buying something for 3 silver they would be the first to achieve it... Exactly this. Botters are what drives prices up in the market (and *cricket* it up in the process). Happened in lots of other MMOs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanadeus Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 simple solution for y all, make new tab and stop Remove Region Chat then have spam Free Chat Tab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4rsh4L Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 3 hours ago, Hanadeus said: simple solution for y all, make new tab and stop Remove Region Chat then have spam Free Chat Tab tell me how, because i can only edit 1 out of 4 chat tabs, and i can't create a new one. Spam is fine like it is now, but they are spamming with lvl 6 in faction chat, so that "hotfix" did'nt work. There was another fix they didn't tell us, like talking with goldsellers and tell them "calm your tits, they are pissed off", isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletAcacia Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 1 hour ago, M4rsh4L said: tell me how, because i can only edit 1 out of 4 chat tabs, and i can't create a new one. Spam is fine like it is now, but they are spamming with lvl 6 in faction chat, so that "hotfix" did'nt work. There was another fix they didn't tell us, like talking with goldsellers and tell them "calm your tits, they are pissed off", isn't it? u just go "edit" and tick those region chats out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suu Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 seriously, why are they still able to spam so hard, they are between level 10 and 15 now. I don't think that a simple level restriction for chat will help at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seemslegit Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 4 minutes ago, Suu said: seriously, why are they still able to spam so hard, they are between level 10 and 15 now. I don't think that a simple level restriction for chat will help at all. We don't have ingame moderation , so yeah . This will never be fixed , every other NCSOFT game has the same issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlon Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 On the not so bright side... your chat works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4rsh4L Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 6 hours ago, ScarletAcacia said: u just go "edit" and tick those region chats out. I can't "Apply" or "Confirm" after doing the changes so the tabs stay as they were before the edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtue Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 should be a mute function, if enough people report a spammer, it mutes them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayuri Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 thats the whole reason why i disabled faction chat, my blocklist was full on the very first day already so i just disable faction chat we all knew from the beginning that it wont help to set a level restriction to chat ;p they tried that in aion and it worked just as good as here (NOT) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalvinie Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 1 minute ago, Virtue said: should be a mute function, if enough people report a spammer, it mutes them problem is there will be new spammers spawning every day.. this shit is getting so annoying having to sit there and block & report them daily.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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