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[Petition] Do NOT Remove nProtect Game Guard

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Meese   

This thread is a pile of disappointment.

Like I said before, just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them an evil hacker.

This entire thread is nothing but toxicity

 

Disappointment

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People we are better then this.

 

You sound like a hacker :(

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Yui   

You sound like a hacker :(

All I mean't was don't judge people just for having a different view.

 

Meh, I don't care much, but if you do accuse me of being a hacker. Can I be a Wizard class hacker like the Major.

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Meese   

All I mean't was don't judge people just for having a different view.

 

Meh, I don't care much, but if you do accuse me of being a hacker. Can I be a Wizard class hacker like the Major.

 

FM hacker incoming.

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Esuna   

Here's a pic from the Taiwan version of the game that I personally love. Yes, it does use GameGuard.

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Taiwan doesn't mind bots, they are even tolerated.

 

Our version will have a report bot feature. They aren't welcome :3

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Kaishina   

Punk buster is arguably worse for wrongfully banning people and causing issues.

Honestly if I found out this game had used punk buster I would have uninstalled it and got a refund.

Not only is punk buster awful software but it also screws itself to your computer so is annoying to remove.

PunkBuster DOES NOT ban randomly hackers. It bans all the scrubberino that attempt to use any 3rd party programs like bots or ESP.

Guys, stop feeding this troll/flamebait/attention-seeker.

I don't seek attention at all. I just care about playing a game that does not get infested of bots / hackers / gold sellers.

 

Explain me how i'm seeking attention ? Are you frustrated that you can't get attention yourself ? Explain me...

 

I got all the attention and love i need in my life i'm perfectly fine with it thanks...

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So as a cybersecurity specialist, and a very avid mmo player it doesn't matter what "anti-cheat" client you use. Plain and simple "Anti-Cheat" software is added to check a box for the game developers. Punkbuster and Gameguard are both easily bypassed. The only thing you can do is train end users to report players, and have staff availible to ban/research the issue. Bots are easy to see and ban, but the main issue is companies wont put the needed effort into patrolling heavy botting areas, and people won't report them. Another fact is botting still works because people still buy the gold, so we're not going to be rid of it until the playerbase as a whole quits buying gold. In my opinion the best way to block bots out is to make the game buy2play. If they cant make a return on 20 $30 clients, they won't do it.

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wohdin   

1) There are known compatibility issues between GameGuard and Chrome/Firefox, and I'm pretty sure you can't reasonably say that anyone who wants to open Chrome while playing a game is a "hacker".

 

2) GameGuard is historically buggy - I play PSO2, a game that also uses GameGuard, and it frequently throws hooking errors at launch, for no real reason, which forces people to reboot. Not to mention it rarely works correctly on out-of-region systems due to poor/no Unicode support.

 

3) There are much better anti-hacker monitors out there, but GameGuard has a bit of a monopoly in Korea and Japan, so, well, it often comes out on top in terms of usage. But that doesn't justify its use in North American servers. GameGuard is also notoriously weak, and its use generally only creates problems for regular players, as actual hackers can bypass it easily, and frequently do.

 

Most people who dislike GameGuard dislike it for these reasons. These people are not opposed to using some kind of anti-hacker software, but dislike GameGuard specifically, because it sucks.

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Dad   

Coming from Elsword GG works just fine, before we even got GG we had a ton of hackers with no CD on skills, unlimited MP and HP and Insane damage, it just wasn't fun anymore. When we got GG it all changed. People crying about GG giving you errors need to stop downloading bootleg software. That's your problem.

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Totally agree with OP. If gameguard is giving you problems is because you either run macro softwares or any other 3rd party that is mainly for botting, hacking, etc.

 

Supporting this petition all the way, bots destroy in-game economys and its really frustrating to compete against them.

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Soth   

This topic made me realise and question if i really want to start another game. Lets say, I'll play a while, maybe will love it aswell, till the point game swarm with hacks, bots and gold sellers. Why it have to be always this way. I mean, there is new game starting here, maybe game we will play next weeks, months or even years? Why people simply can't play the "game" but already concerned about their bots or cheating methods. Its just sad.

 

Maybe i'm the weird one but, playing games over 20 year now (31yo guy here) never, ever played game with hacks, not even single player ones. Whats point using hack if you let some program to do, what you suppose to do. If you are letting it, then whats point of playing game itself anyway. I just can't get idea about how could it be enjoyable, watching your bots to doing things you simply can't or won't bother trying? Who you are racing with? What are you trying to prove yourself and rest of community?

 

This topic is just sad.

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T3cNykL   

...What part of "you can bypass GameGuard with a .bat file" are you failing to understand?

I'm not the best with these types of bypass thing. How exactly is this poss.?

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Kaishina   

I'm not the best with these types of bypass thing. How exactly is this poss.?

 

Ignore this guy he thinks he has knowledge over programming cause he knows what a .bat file is. And no you cannot bypass GG with a .bat.

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Chrys   

Totally agree with OP. If gameguard is giving you problems is because you either run macro softwares or any other 3rd party that is mainly for botting, hacking, etc.

 

...like Mozilla Firefox.

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Chrys   

 

For the whole cbts as soon as i opened firefox my game was shutting down. I had to open it before starting the client, else i couldn't use it due to gameguard being absolute crap, as it has always been in the past where games supposed to be protected by that were filled by damn hackers and bots everywhere. Yours is a lost cause, m9-1.

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Rey   

Gameguard does not stop hacks, take Lineage 2 for example. Who ever played L2 knows that more than half the players are hackers. 

Still, that doesn't mean any other anticheat will be bulletproof.

 

I played almost every mmo to date and i barely found any without 0 hackers. At least not without the gold farmes.

There are games without hackers but restrictive ones. Take Guildwars2 for example, they know how to deal with hackers even if they have gold farmers, you won't get to benefit from them.

You either get used to them and learn to ignore them or you turn to single player...this, i guess, is the only option.

 

On the other hand gameguard does indeed have some problems like removing and reinstalling the game almost made me quit L2 because i couldn't start it . Long story short...it was GameGuard.

Than there is GG and Steam working together...the horror...

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Kaishina   

For the whole cbts as soon as i opened firefox my game was shutting down. I had to open it before starting the client, else i couldn't use it due to gameguard being absolute crap, as it has always been in the past where games supposed to be protected by that were filled by damn hackers and bots everywhere. Yours is a lost cause, m9-1.

 

Dude ,GG works FINE with Firefox oppen as stated in my screenshot. MAYBE this was the case with CBT (Sadly i didn't play with CBT client) but you might as well want to get your facts UP TO DATE before you reply shit on my thread yea ? Then again if you can't make any reasonable use of logic than YOU are a lost cause. 

Gameguard does not stop hacks, take Lineage 2 for example. Who ever played L2 knows that more than half the players are hackers. 

Still, that doesn't mean any other anticheat will be bulletproof.

 

I played almost every mmo to date and i barely found any without 0 hackers. At least not without the gold farmes.

There are games without hackers but restrictive ones. Take Guildwars2 for example, they know how to deal with hackers even if they have gold farmers, you won't get to benefit from them.

You either get used to them and learn to ignore them or you turn to single player...this, i guess, is the only option.

 

On the other hand gameguard does indeed have some problems like removing and reinstalling the game almost made me quit L2 because i couldn't start it . Long story short...it was GameGuard.

Than there is GG and Steam working together...the horror...

 

1) It does stop hackers : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/NProtect_GameGuard

 

2) As a veteran player from GW2, YES there used to be gold sellers / bots in the beginning but in early 2015 they inforced anti hacker system.

 

3) If you are running Steam while playing the game you are doing something wrong.

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Rey   

Dude ,GG works FINE with Firefox oppen as stated in my screenshot. MAYBE this was the case with CBT (Sadly i didn't play with CBT client) but you might as well want to get your facts UP TO DATE before you reply shit on my thread yea ? Then again if you can't make any reasonable use of logic than YOU are a lost cause. 

 

1) It does stop hackers : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/NProtect_GameGuard

 

2) As a veteran player from GW2, YES there used to be gold sellers / bots in the beginning but in early 2015 they inforced anti hacker system.

 

3) If you are running Steam while playing the game you are doing something wrong.

 

1) What does the GG wikipedia has to do with this ? If GG actually does its job?

I can make my own wikipedia page and call myself the best lawyer my country ever had. While i'm a lawyer that doesn't mean i'm the best lawyer of if i'm even a lawyer. Take it as an example.

 

2) GW2 still has gold farmers and Lineage 2 uses GG from the day i start playing back in Interlude. Still using gameguard and still has bots. Free bots as well not just the gold farmers.

Just because its an anticheat that doesn't mean is impossible to bypass.  GG is pretty easy as well.

 

3) If i play this game while having Steam open i do something wrong? Elaborate please...

 

 

I'm not saying GG should be removed. Not like any other anticheat is any better. Indeed GG does more problems than the normal anticheat from my history but i did have to deal with it more than the rest ...as much as you like to protect it from no apparent reason

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